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Rhye's and Fall of India

Discussion in 'Rhye's and Fall Modmods' started by GnomeChomsky, Jun 21, 2012.

  1. GnomeChomsky

    GnomeChomsky Chieftain

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    It is my pleasure to announce that I am taking on a mod project first proposed here by Baron03. I do have considerable modding experience, and I think I can manage it. Naturally, any help, especially suggestions, ideas, and testing is very helpful from you guys.

    I will be building my mod off of SoI, due to the many excellent features of that mod that I would like to use, and because of embryodead's Technical Documentation.

    I will start with the map, whose geography, if not resources, I want to finish by tomorrow. Baron03's map is excellent, but rather than many things in SoI to adjust to his map size, I am cutting off four tiles from the width and 10 from the height.

    The timespan I am looking at is 322 BC to 1857 AD, the date of the Indian Rebellion of 1857.
     
  2. GnomeChomsky

    GnomeChomsky Chieftain

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    Civ List
    Spoiler :
    Ancient (up to about AD600)
    Mauryan (northern India, ie Empire of Asoka) (322 BC - 185 BC)
    Ancient Cholas (322 BC - 250 AD)
    Ancient Pandyans (322 BC - 250 AD)
    Ancient Cheras (322 BC - 250 AD)
    Satavahana (central India) (230 BC - 220 AD)
    Scythian (northwestern India) (200 BC - 400 AD)
    Greek (far northwest, present-day Afghanistan and northern Pakistan) (180 BC - 10 AD)
    Kushan (northwestern India, present-day Pakistan and Afghanistan) (30 AD - 375 AD)
    Kalabhras (250 AD - 600 AD)
    Sindh (Rai Dynasty: 489-690, Chachas 632-671)

    Classical (up to about AD1000)
    Gupta (northern India, roughly replacing Mauryans and its successor states)
    Pallava (southern India)
    Pandya (southern India)
    Chalukya (west-central India)
    Chola (southern India)
    Pratihara (western and northern India)
    Hoysala (south central India)

    "Medieval" (up to about 1600)
    Yadava (west-central India)
    Sena (northeastern India)
    Ganga (present-day Orissa)
    Delhi (northern India, Sultanate)
    Vijayanagar (southern India) + successor states
    Bahmani (central India, Sultanate) + successor states
    Rajput (western and central India)
    Calicut (major trading center, present-day Kerala)
    Mughal Empire

    Mughal Successor States
    Maratha
    Hyderabad
    Mysore
    Travancore
    Durrani (Afghanistan)
    Sikh Empire

    Nepal
    Kingdom of Nepal (176:cool:

    European Colonials
    Estado da India (Portuguese)
    East India Company (British)
    Compagnie des Indes Orientales (French)
    Vereenigde Oost-Indische Compagnie (Dutch)

    Sri Lanka
    Various dynasties (could probably be represented as one civ)


    Basic Civ Info

    Spoiler :

    Magadha/ Mauryan Empire- 350 CE

    LH: Chandragupta Maurya, Ashoka
    UU: Yuddha Gaja (War Elephant)
    UB: Pillar of Ashoka (Monument OR courthouse)
    UP: Edicts of Ashoka- 30% less maintenance due distance from palace
    UHV's:
    1. Build 2 Jain, Buddhist, and Hindu temples and monastaries (12 in all)
    2. Control [insert provinces that constitute Mauryan empire at its height] by 265 BCE
    3. Spread buddhism to 30%

    Pandya Dynasty- 350 CE

    Chola Dynasty- 300 BCE

    Satavahana Dynasty- 230 BCE

    Greek (Indo-Greeks+Greco-Bactrians)- 180 BCE

    Indo-Scythians- 100 BCE

    Kushan Empire- 30 CE

    LH: Kanishka
    UU: Yuezhi Cavalry (Horse Archer)
    UB: Gandhara School (Library)
    UP: ???
    UHV's:
    1. Build 7 Buddhist monasteries and Gandhara schools by ???
    2. Control [insert provinces that constitute Kushan empire at its height] by 151 BCE
    3. ???

    Pallava- 310 CE

    Gupta Empire- 320 CE

    Chalukya Dynasty- 543 CE

    Pratihara Empire- 650 CE

    Rashtrakuta Dynasty- 753 CE

    Yadava Dynasty- 850 CE

    Western Chalukya (respawn of Chalukyas conditional on Rashtrakuta Stability)- 973 CE

    Hoysala Dynasty- 1026 CE

    Sena Dynasty- 1070 CE

    Ganga Dynasty- 1078 CE

    Sultanate of Delhi- 1206 CE

    Vijayanagara Empire- 1336 CE

    Bahmani Sultanate- 1347 CE

    Mughal Empire- 1526 CE

    Maratha Empire- 1674 CE

    Kingdom of Mysore- 1720 CE

    Hyderabad State- 1724 CE

    Travancore- 1729 CE

    Durrani Empire- 1747 CE

    Kingdom of Nepal- 1768 CE

    Sikh Empire- 1799 CE

    Estado da India (Portuguese)
    East India Company (British)
    Compagnie des Indes Orientales (French)
    Vereenigde Oost-Indische Compagnie (Dutch)



    Religions
    Spoiler :


    Column 1
    Name Holy City Areas Temple Monastery Cathedral Shrine
    Vaishnavism Dwarka All over Mandir Ashram Mahamandir Dwarkadheesh
    Shaivism Varanasi All over, but especially in Kashmir and Karnataka Mandir Ashram Mahamandir Kashi Vishwanath
    Buddhism Gaya All over until muslim conquests begin Temple (?) Vihara Stupa Mahabodhi
    Jainism [Not sure] All over until muslim conquests begin
    Sunni [Not sure] Northwest, Kerala, Bengal with arrival of Islam
    Christianity None Kerala, Assam with arrival of Christianity


     
  3. GnomeChomsky

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    Difficulty levels:

    Raja
    Maharaja
    Chhatrapati

    City Naming:

    Hindu:

    Spoiler :


    On Normal Speed:

    657 Turns:
    3.5YPT for 350 years (100 Turns/350BCE-0CE)
    6 YPT for 600 years (100 Turns/0CE-600CE)
    5 YPT for 500 years (100 Turns/600CE-1100CE)
    4 YPT for 400 years (100 Turns/1100CE-1500CE)
    2 YPT for 200 years (100 Turns/1500CE-1700CE)
    1 YPT for 157 years (157 Turns/1700CE-1857CE)

    On Marathon Speed:

    1314 Turns:
    1.75YPT for 350 years (200 Turns/350BCE-0CE)
    3 YPT for 600 years (200 Turns/0CE-600CE)
    2.5 YPT for 500 years (200 Turns/600CE-1100CE)
    2 YPT for 400 years (200 Turns/1100CE-1500CE)
    1 YPT for 200 years (200 Turns/1500CE-1700CE)
    .5 YPT for 157 years (314 Turns/1700CE-1857CE)

    Also I set up subversion. Link is http://subversion.assembla.com/svn/rfc-india/

    Credits

    Thanks to:

    taillesskangaru for his help with selecting a proper map scope and civilization list
    fenceman for his Classical Religion Mod for Jainism and Sikihism
     
  4. srpt

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    really happy to see someone take this up. looking forward to playing it and I'll help in any way I can.

    p.s. can you post the map? curious to see it.
     
  5. GnomeChomsky

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    I'm working on it now. I decided to start from scratch, marking out provinces and such along the way.

    However this is the area in question:

     
  6. Leoreth

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    I take Kush means the Kushan Empire? I've never seen it referred to that way, since Kush usually means the Kingdom of Kush in Upper Egypt.
     
  7. GnomeChomsky

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    Yes it does. You're right, I'll change that.

    Anyways, here is the map. I didn't do it totally from scratch. I took Baron03's map and cut off 10 tiles from the top and four from the right to adjust to SoI dimensions. I still have to add resources and such, but I'll probably do that later. A screenshot:

    Spoiler :


    Now on to editing the XML, the most tedious part of all of this. I need to add a bunch of civs. Any suggestions on which civs?

    Right now I was thinking:

    (Those with question marks indicate that I am not sure whether they should be reprsented as full civs or minor civs OR as minor civs or as Indies)

    Greece (?)
    Persia (?)
    Magadha/ Maurya
    Chera
    Chola
    Pallava
    Pandya
    Anuradhapura
    Satavahana
    Indo Scythians
    Pyu City-States (?)
    Kushan Empire (?)
    Gupta
    Kamarupa
    Chalukya (+Western Chalukya respawn)
    Tibet
    Gurjara-Pratihara
    Pala
    Rashtrakuta
    Samanids (from SOI)
    Pagan
    Yadava (Trouble finding UU)
    Solanki (Gujarat civ)
    Hoysala
    Kakatiya
    Sindh
    East Ganga
    Delhi
    Hanthawaddy
    Vijayanagara
    Bahmani
    Mughals
    Portugal (M)
    Britain (M)
    Dutch (M)
     
  8. srpt

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    I think you should put back the 10 tiles at the top, or at least some. the map doesn't have to be the same dimensions as SoI.
     
  9. GnomeChomsky

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    It makes life a lot, lot easier for me.

    Anyways I talked to the folks over on the World History subforum in OT. As per taillesskangaru's suggestion, I am going to probably redo the map to this scope:

    Spoiler :
     
  10. Linkman226

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    This looks promising, following closely.
     
  11. Leoreth

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    Map looks good! I would've preferred less Persia and Malaysia/Sumatra instead (hey, you have the Cholas after all!), but I guess you had to work with what you've been given.
     
  12. Baron03

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    Definitely looking forward to this mod.
    Personally I agree with Leoreth, Less West more East. But do what you need to do
     
  13. BenZL43

    BenZL43 Physician - still can't spell this correctly.

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    Subscribed!
     
  14. Linkman226

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    Aren't the reports of Cholas subjugating the Malayan Archipelago incredibly spurious?
     
  15. GnomeChomsky

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    Not really- I am redoing the map now anyways, because I found that one unsatisfactory. However taillesskangaru had dissuaded me from including Burma because he said that region was more involved with politics to its east rather than to its west, so I got it off before Burma.

    Anyways I definitely want to include a good portion of Afghanistan in the map. However I can nonetheless pull the bottom right corner downwards to include Malaysia and Sumatra if you think that's advisable. That would decrease the scale, of course, if I want to keep these dimensions, but that's OK. India's so big right now that if I made one of the the Mauryan UHV's to reach its greatest historical size, it might actually qualify for a domination victory first.

    You guys let me know any recommendations you have for the map; as I said, I am reworking the whole thing so now would be the time to tell me.
     
  16. GnomeChomsky

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    I have finished a rough draft of the calendar. On Normal Speed:

    5 YPT for 325 years
    4.5 YPT for 315 years
    4 YPT for 760 years
    3.5 YPT for 525 years
    2.5 YPT for 125 years
    3.5 YPT for 105 years
    1.5 YPT for 45 years
    .5 YPT for 15 turns

    Kind ugly. Might fix it up later.

    Also I set up subversion. Link is http://subversion.assembla.com/svn/rfc-india/
     
  17. srpt

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    one thing about the early part of the calendar: you've only given the Mauryans 32 turns from the start of the mod til their collapse around 190BC. I had the same problem but with other civs as well and I ended up slowing down the calendar for the first 300 years or so and then speeding it up later when the goals were not so tight.
     
  18. Leoreth

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    I think the current scale is good, if anything, add more tiles.

    Adding Malaysia and Sumatra is up to you in the end, though, because you literally have to live with this decision for the rest of the time you work on this mod. I just thought that it would give civs like the Cholas some conquest objectives outside of India which is always good for variety. Other civs could be tasked to spread Buddhism/Hinduism there etc.
     
  19. GnomeChomsky

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    You're right. I'll adjust accordingly.

    Anyways, I got a fairly good list of what civs to include. Total is 35-37 civs:

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    Magadha/ Mauryan Empire- 350 CE

    LH: Chandragupta Maurya, Ashoka
    UU: Yuddha Gaja (War Elephant)
    UB: Pillar of Ashoka (Monument OR courthouse)
    UP: Edicts of Ashoka- 30% less maintenance due distance from palace
    UHV's:
    1. Build 2 Jain, Buddhist, and Hindu temples and monastaries (12 in all)
    2. Control [insert provinces that constitute Mauryan empire at its height] by 265 BCE
    3. Spread buddhism to 30%

    Pandya Dynasty- 350 CE

    Chola Dynasty- 300 BCE

    Satavahana Dynasty- 230 BCE

    Greek (Indo-Greeks+Greco-Bactrians)- 180 BCE

    Indo-Scythians- 100 BCE

    Kushan Empire- 30 CE

    LH: Kanishka
    UU: Yuezhi Cavalry (Horse Archer)
    UB: Gandhara School (Library)
    UP: ???
    UHV's:
    1. Build 7 Buddhist monasteries and Gandhara schools by ???
    2. Control [insert provinces that constitute Kushan empire at its height] by 151 BCE
    3. ???

    Pallava- 310 CE

    Gupta Empire- 320 CE

    Chalukya Dynasty- 543 CE

    Pratihara Empire- 650 CE

    Rashtrakuta Dynasty- 753 CE

    Yadava Dynasty- 850 CE

    Western Chalukya (respawn of Chalukyas conditional on Rashtrakuta Stability)- 973 CE

    Hoysala Dynasty- 1026 CE

    Sena Dynasty- 1070 CE

    Ganga Dynasty- 1078 CE

    Sultanate of Delhi- 1206 CE

    Vijayanagara Empire- 1336 CE

    Bahmani Sultanate- 1347 CE

    Mughal Empire- 1526 CE

    Maratha Empire- 1674 CE

    Kingdom of Mysore- 1720 CE

    Hyderabad State- 1724 CE

    Travancore- 1729 CE

    Durrani Empire- 1747 CE

    Kingdom of Nepal- 1768 CE

    Sikh Empire- 1799 CE

    Estado da India (Portuguese)
    East India Company (British)
    Compagnie des Indes Orientales (French)
    Vereenigde Oost-Indische Compagnie (Dutch)


    And 2-4 Indies and a barb
     
  20. Leoreth

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    Yes! (totally overlooked your comment).

    But wouldn't it be fun to do it anyway?

    (I mean, these claims are not entirely fabricated, since it's fairly certain that the Cholas traded extensively with the Malay region, and used force to gain favourable conditions).
     

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