Rhye's and Fall RAND: Preview #2

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(Preview #1 here)

Shorter preview this time, only to show you how city names are managed, since you asked.

Obviously, there can't be names assigned to plot coordinates, but still it doesn't mean that we should rely on completely random names.

So, each civ will have 4 city names lists:

1- for non-coastal cities in the continent
2- for coastal cities in the continent
3- for non-coastal cities in another continent
4- for coastal cities in another continent

The capital is always at the top of 1 or 2.
This picture shows cities picked from lists 3 and 4:



Here are the Spanish lists, for example:
Spoiler :

Madrid
Sevilla
Toledo
Zaragoza
Santiago
Salamanca
Pamplona
Córdoba
Granada
Badajoz
León
Oviedo
Vitoria
Bilbao
Albacete
Burgos

Barcelona
Valencia
La Coruña
Santander
Malaga
Alicante
Huelva
Almería
Ceuta
Melilla
Tenerife
Ibiza

Guadalajara
La Paz
Medellín
Bogotá
Monterrey
Villa Hermosa
Asunción
Puebla
Chihuahua
Concepción
Santa Fé
San Antonio
Hermosillo
Las Vegas

Santo Domingo
La Habana
Veracruz
Lima
San Juan
Buenos Aires
Campeche
Caracas
Santa Marta
San Salvador
Guatemala
Montevideo
Los Angeles
San Diego
Rosario


Now an announcement:

I'm looking for volunteers to help with these lists.
No programming skills are required, just accuracy (both historical and grammatical).

I've currently compiled only the Spanish and the English lists. If some of you help out with this stuff, I can spend my time on other aspects of RFC RAND and on the new patch of RFC itself.

EDIT: if you want to post lists directly here, you should try to follow these rules:
- 10 cities for each list are enough
- cities must be important, historically and possibly nowadays
- you should sort them considering founding date too. If you notice, I put Buenos Aires lower than Santo Domingo
- you can use random lists and RFC city maps for ispiration
- when a city could belong to more than one civ, we should decide which one should. Possibly the most representative: Marseille is better French than Roman. But there may be different situations.
- accents are important!!! Consider that with just a wrong accent, renaming system won't work. Use the character map for accents you haven't got on your keyboard
- as in RFC, names must be in native name: e.g. Korinthos, not Corinth
- when different romanizations are available, use the one used in RFC: e.g. Beijing, not Peking
- don't worry about leaving some lists empty (like Mayan 3 and 4). In that case, a name from the other lists is picked instead
 
Can you add Soria to the Spanish list 1? Every single citizen committed suicide to avoid being captured by the Romans! And it's the coldest place in Spain, too!
 
I'll help with the lists for sure! Can I start with the French ones? If so I'll start right away!:)
 
I'd galdly done Russia, but the question is, Russia didn't have many offshore settlements, so categories 3 and 4 are problematic. Same with most un-western-european nations like India or China. First 1 and 2 are easy:

1.

Moscow (Moskva)
Novgorod
Rostov
Yaroslavl (Jaroslavl, as per Rhye)
Smolensk
Samara
Tobolsk
Omsk
Volgograd (Carycin, Stalingrad)
Tula
Vladimir
Perm
Pskov
Voronezh
Ekaterinburg
Novosibirsk
Chelyabinsk
Krasnoyarsk
Khabarovsk
Kursk
Irkutsk
Izhevsk

Category 2:

St. Petersburg
Archangelsk
Astrakhan
Sevastopol (now Ukrainian)
Odessa (ditto)
Murmansk
Vladivostok
Petropavlovsk - Kamchatsky
Magadan
Yalta (Ukrainian now)

Or something like that. Easy.

Now for 3 and 4 you are struck with Alaska and maybe Sakhalin. Althrough maybe it is possible to name 16 or so settlements...
 
Here's France's first 2 categorys, I'll finish the other 2later.

Category One

1.Paris
2.Toulouse
3.Reims
4.Orleans
5.Lyon
6.Dijon
7.Rennes
8.Avignon
9.Metz
10.Poitiers
11.Tours
12.Nantes
13.Grenoble
14.Rouen
15.Amiens
16.Saint-Etienne
17.Lille

Category Two

1.Bordeaux
2.Brest
3.Marseille
4.Le Havre
5.Calais
6.Saint-Nazaire
7.Nice
8.Cannes
9.La Rochelle
10.La Roche-sur-Yon
11.Perpignan
12.Montpellier
13.Caen

(Sorry my computer can't do accents!)

Category Three

1.Montreal
2.Quebec City
3.Baton-Rouge
4.Saint Louis
5.Tadoussac
6.Fort Detroit
7.Saul
8.Sault Ste-Marie
9.Fort Toulouse
10.Fort Niagara
11.Fort St. Jean Baptiste


Category Four

1.Guadeloupe
2.Nouvelle Orleans
3.Cayenne
4.Port Royal
5.Martinique
6.Port-au-Prince
7.Cap-Haitien
8.Biloxi
9.Mobile
10.L'anse aux Meadows
11.Ile de Bourbon
12.Ile de France
13.Senegal
14.Algiers
15.Casablanca
16.Nouvelle Caledonia
17.Fort Caroline
 
Detroit is a tough one. While it may have been settled by France, it is thought of as an American city.
 
I need the English lists so I can do the American ones Rhye(eg. are Boston and New York already on the English list).
 
Now for 3 and 4 you are struck with Alaska and maybe Sakhalin. Althrough maybe it is possible to name 16 or so settlements...

Easy enough for 4 with Russia's Alaskan settlements and arctic possesions, though 3 is very hard if you want important/interesting settlements:

3.
(Inland Antarctic station)
Vostok

(Sakhalin)
Vladimirovka (old name), Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk (post WW2 name), oblast capital.



4.
(Sakhalin)
Korsakov (largest town, coastal)
Alexandrovka (non-minor town)

(Alaska, major settlements)
Kodiak
Unalaska
Mikhailovsk
Old Sitka
New Archangel

(Russian California)
Krepost' Ross

(Coastal Antarctic stations)
Mirnyy
Molodyozhnaya
Novolazarevskaya
 
1.Montreal
2.Quebec City
Quebec City is just Québec (its official name, and with no province, no differentiation is necessary anyways). I would also flip those around.
It also seems wrong to exclude Trois-Rivières (the third major city on the St Lawrence).

Also, I notice the lists given here use English names, should they not be of the native language (as in RFC).

Also, would names change upon conquest/transfer?
 
I need the English lists so I can do the American ones Rhye(eg. are Boston and New York already on the English list).

York
Bristol
Nottingham
Ipswich
Norwich
Birmingham
Cambridge
Canterbury
Newcastle
Blackburn
Manchester
Glasgow
Middlesbrough

London
Hastings
Edinburgh
Cardiff
Brighton
Portsmouth
Hull
Blackpool
Aberdeen
Belfast
Plymouth
Liverpool

Philadelphia
Toronto
Ottawa
Edmonton
Regina
Canberra
Winnipeg
Upington
Kimberley
Salisbury
Warwick

Jamestown
Boston
Baltimore
Bridgetown
Kingston
Sydney
Durban
Melbourne
Perth
Vancouver
Adelaide
Wellington
Port Elizabeth
Stanley
 
Quebec City is just Québec (its official name, and with no province, no differentiation is necessary anyways). I would also flip those around.
It also seems wrong to exclude Trois-Rivières (the third major city on the St Lawrence).

Also, I notice the lists given here use English names, should they not be of the native language (as in RFC).

Also, would names change upon conquest/transfer?

Indeed, to make everything work, names must be in the correct native name and romanization, as in RFC standards
 
So here are some American ones that I can come up with off the top of my head. I chose them for historical importance, population, and I additionally tried to be geographically diverse.

I am including the earliest date that these areas could be considered a settlement. Many were officially incorporated much later. In the case of indigenous populations, I present the date when the city or area received its first permanent European or American settlement. These dates I obtained from Wikipedia, so if you can back them up with a real source, I have no objections to changing them.

Additionally, some may need to be filtered and claimed by other countries.

*means initially founded by England
**means initially founded by France
***means initially founded by Spain or Mexico
****means initially founded by the Netherlands


1 noncoastal in initial continent:
Detroit ca 1701*
Pittsburgh ca 1758*
Chicago ca 1770*
Cincinnati ca 1788
Buffalo ca 1789
Cleveland ca 1796
Atlanta ca 1837
Dallas ca 1841
Salt Lake City ca 1847
Denver ca 1858
Phoenix ca 1881
Las Vegas ca 1905

2 coastal on initial continent:
Washington ca 1790 (capitol)
New York City ca 1624**** (also potentially an English settlement)
Boston ca 1630*
Philadelphia ca 1681*
New Orleans ca 1718** (potentially Spanish as well)
San Diego ca 1769***
Los Angeles ca 1771***
San Francisco ca 1776***
Miami ca 1825
Houston ca 1837
Seattle ca 1851



3 non-coastal cities in another continent:
Juneau (alaska) 1881
I have nothing... I can easily expand the initial continental cities by another 5-10 if people would like.

4 coastal cities in another continent:
These are drawn for current and past American territories, as well as Hawaii and Alaska:
San Juan (Puerto Rico): ca 1501
Havana (Cuba) ca 1515
Manila (Philippines) ca 1574***
Charlotte Amalie (U.S. Virgin Islands): ca 1657**** (Saint Thomas is the name of the island, and perhaps a better name)
Guam ca 1668***
American Samoa: ca 1830s
Honolulu: ca 1898 (Hawaii was annexed as a territory in 1898, although was arguably influenced/claimed by America earlier).
Anchorage: ca 1914



Obviously some will appear on other lists, especially cities that were initially colonies of other civilizations. I would only argue that New York City, Chicago, San Francisco, San Diego, and Las Angeles should be exclusive to the US. Philadelphia and Boston have a lot of history as an English colony, but also are also extremely important cities in the American revolution and after.
 
Russian
Category 3 - non-existant, few major settlements offshore are non-coastal

Category 4 - shall we include Sakhalin? If not, them we'll have to use settlements in Russian America -

Novo-Archangelsk (administratve center)
Port Chichagov
Voskresenskaya (should shange to Seward when captured by USA)
Pavlovskaya Gavan' (1792)
Konstantinovsky (1793)
Slavorossiya (1796)
Fort Ross (Krepost' Rus in RFC, but even on Russian sites it is called Fort Ross)

Crosspost.
 
1. Are Swedish/Norwegian/Danish city names OK when I run out of Viking era city names?

2. Is for example Ireland considered another continent for Vikings(it would look stupid if Dublin would be built in Norway)?

3. Is for example Jorvik(York) appropriate city for the Vikings, as England will likely build York?
 
Arabia: 1.
Makkah
Al-Madinah
Dimashq
Baghdad
Najran
Mosul
Ar-Riyāḍ
Halab
Sanaa
Ammān
Al-Quds (it can be for many civs)

2. Al-Basrah
Gaza
Beirut
Masqat
Aden
Al-Qatif
Abu-Dhabi
Dubai
Al-Kuwait
Ad-Dammam
Salalah

3. Al-Qahira (Maybe Egyptian)
Aswan
Al Qayrawan
Fas
Gárnata
Harar
al-Kharṭūm
Sabha

4. Al-Iskhandariya
Al-Jazair
Tunis
Tarabulus
Banġāzī
Wahran
Dar-Beida
Rabbat
Maqadīshū
Zanji-bar
Tobruk
 
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