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Rhye's and Fall RAND: Preview #2

Discussion in 'Rhye's and Fall RAND' started by Rhye, Jun 20, 2008.

  1. Rhye

    Rhye 's and Fall creator

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    (Preview #1 here)

    Shorter preview this time, only to show you how city names are managed, since you asked.

    Obviously, there can't be names assigned to plot coordinates, but still it doesn't mean that we should rely on completely random names.

    So, each civ will have 4 city names lists:

    1- for non-coastal cities in the continent
    2- for coastal cities in the continent
    3- for non-coastal cities in another continent
    4- for coastal cities in another continent

    The capital is always at the top of 1 or 2.
    This picture shows cities picked from lists 3 and 4:



    Here are the Spanish lists, for example:
    Spoiler :

    Madrid
    Sevilla
    Toledo
    Zaragoza
    Santiago
    Salamanca
    Pamplona
    Córdoba
    Granada
    Badajoz
    León
    Oviedo
    Vitoria
    Bilbao
    Albacete
    Burgos

    Barcelona
    Valencia
    La Coruña
    Santander
    Malaga
    Alicante
    Huelva
    Almería
    Ceuta
    Melilla
    Tenerife
    Ibiza

    Guadalajara
    La Paz
    Medellín
    Bogotá
    Monterrey
    Villa Hermosa
    Asunción
    Puebla
    Chihuahua
    Concepción
    Santa Fé
    San Antonio
    Hermosillo
    Las Vegas

    Santo Domingo
    La Habana
    Veracruz
    Lima
    San Juan
    Buenos Aires
    Campeche
    Caracas
    Santa Marta
    San Salvador
    Guatemala
    Montevideo
    Los Angeles
    San Diego
    Rosario


    Now an announcement:

    I'm looking for volunteers to help with these lists.
    No programming skills are required, just accuracy (both historical and grammatical).

    I've currently compiled only the Spanish and the English lists. If some of you help out with this stuff, I can spend my time on other aspects of RFC RAND and on the new patch of RFC itself.

    EDIT: if you want to post lists directly here, you should try to follow these rules:
    - 10 cities for each list are enough
    - cities must be important, historically and possibly nowadays
    - you should sort them considering founding date too. If you notice, I put Buenos Aires lower than Santo Domingo
    - you can use random lists and RFC city maps for ispiration
    - when a city could belong to more than one civ, we should decide which one should. Possibly the most representative: Marseille is better French than Roman. But there may be different situations.
    - accents are important!!! Consider that with just a wrong accent, renaming system won't work. Use the character map for accents you haven't got on your keyboard
    - as in RFC, names must be in native name: e.g. Korinthos, not Corinth
    - when different romanizations are available, use the one used in RFC: e.g. Beijing, not Peking
    - don't worry about leaving some lists empty (like Mayan 3 and 4). In that case, a name from the other lists is picked instead
     
  2. Riker

    Riker True Metal of Steel

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    Can you add Soria to the Spanish list 1? Every single citizen committed suicide to avoid being captured by the Romans! And it's the coldest place in Spain, too!
     
  3. Metal Alloy Man

    Metal Alloy Man Back in Black

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    I'll help with the lists for sure! Can I start with the French ones? If so I'll start right away!:)
     
  4. Lone Wolf

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    I'd galdly done Russia, but the question is, Russia didn't have many offshore settlements, so categories 3 and 4 are problematic. Same with most un-western-european nations like India or China. First 1 and 2 are easy:

    1.

    Moscow (Moskva)
    Novgorod
    Rostov
    Yaroslavl (Jaroslavl, as per Rhye)
    Smolensk
    Samara
    Tobolsk
    Omsk
    Volgograd (Carycin, Stalingrad)
    Tula
    Vladimir
    Perm
    Pskov
    Voronezh
    Ekaterinburg
    Novosibirsk
    Chelyabinsk
    Krasnoyarsk
    Khabarovsk
    Kursk
    Irkutsk
    Izhevsk

    Category 2:

    St. Petersburg
    Archangelsk
    Astrakhan
    Sevastopol (now Ukrainian)
    Odessa (ditto)
    Murmansk
    Vladivostok
    Petropavlovsk - Kamchatsky
    Magadan
    Yalta (Ukrainian now)

    Or something like that. Easy.

    Now for 3 and 4 you are struck with Alaska and maybe Sakhalin. Althrough maybe it is possible to name 16 or so settlements...
     
  5. Metal Alloy Man

    Metal Alloy Man Back in Black

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    Here's France's first 2 categorys, I'll finish the other 2later.

    Category One

    1.Paris
    2.Toulouse
    3.Reims
    4.Orleans
    5.Lyon
    6.Dijon
    7.Rennes
    8.Avignon
    9.Metz
    10.Poitiers
    11.Tours
    12.Nantes
    13.Grenoble
    14.Rouen
    15.Amiens
    16.Saint-Etienne
    17.Lille

    Category Two

    1.Bordeaux
    2.Brest
    3.Marseille
    4.Le Havre
    5.Calais
    6.Saint-Nazaire
    7.Nice
    8.Cannes
    9.La Rochelle
    10.La Roche-sur-Yon
    11.Perpignan
    12.Montpellier
    13.Caen

    (Sorry my computer can't do accents!)

    Category Three

    1.Montreal
    2.Quebec City
    3.Baton-Rouge
    4.Saint Louis
    5.Tadoussac
    6.Fort Detroit
    7.Saul
    8.Sault Ste-Marie
    9.Fort Toulouse
    10.Fort Niagara
    11.Fort St. Jean Baptiste


    Category Four

    1.Guadeloupe
    2.Nouvelle Orleans
    3.Cayenne
    4.Port Royal
    5.Martinique
    6.Port-au-Prince
    7.Cap-Haitien
    8.Biloxi
    9.Mobile
    10.L'anse aux Meadows
    11.Ile de Bourbon
    12.Ile de France
    13.Senegal
    14.Algiers
    15.Casablanca
    16.Nouvelle Caledonia
    17.Fort Caroline
     
  6. Genghis Tron

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    Lima is a coastal city isnt it?

    At least it was the last time i was there. :p
     
  7. Barak

    Barak Emperor

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    Detroit is a tough one. While it may have been settled by France, it is thought of as an American city.
     
  8. Rhye

    Rhye 's and Fall creator

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    I'm sorry I confused it with another city. Picture updated
     
  9. Metal Alloy Man

    Metal Alloy Man Back in Black

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    Rhye, can I also do the American ones?
     
  10. Rhye

    Rhye 's and Fall creator

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    No, Numantia was a celtiberian city
     
  11. Rhye

    Rhye 's and Fall creator

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    sure you can, but please follow the rules I added in the 1st post
     
  12. Metal Alloy Man

    Metal Alloy Man Back in Black

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    I need the English lists so I can do the American ones Rhye(eg. are Boston and New York already on the English list).
     
  13. Disenfrancised

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    Easy enough for 4 with Russia's Alaskan settlements and arctic possesions, though 3 is very hard if you want important/interesting settlements:

    3.
    (Inland Antarctic station)
    Vostok

    (Sakhalin)
    Vladimirovka (old name), Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk (post WW2 name), oblast capital.



    4.
    (Sakhalin)
    Korsakov (largest town, coastal)
    Alexandrovka (non-minor town)

    (Alaska, major settlements)
    Kodiak
    Unalaska
    Mikhailovsk
    Old Sitka
    New Archangel

    (Russian California)
    Krepost' Ross

    (Coastal Antarctic stations)
    Mirnyy
    Molodyozhnaya
    Novolazarevskaya
     
  14. say1988

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    Quebec City is just Québec (its official name, and with no province, no differentiation is necessary anyways). I would also flip those around.
    It also seems wrong to exclude Trois-Rivières (the third major city on the St Lawrence).

    Also, I notice the lists given here use English names, should they not be of the native language (as in RFC).

    Also, would names change upon conquest/transfer?
     
  15. Rhye

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    York
    Bristol
    Nottingham
    Ipswich
    Norwich
    Birmingham
    Cambridge
    Canterbury
    Newcastle
    Blackburn
    Manchester
    Glasgow
    Middlesbrough

    London
    Hastings
    Edinburgh
    Cardiff
    Brighton
    Portsmouth
    Hull
    Blackpool
    Aberdeen
    Belfast
    Plymouth
    Liverpool

    Philadelphia
    Toronto
    Ottawa
    Edmonton
    Regina
    Canberra
    Winnipeg
    Upington
    Kimberley
    Salisbury
    Warwick

    Jamestown
    Boston
    Baltimore
    Bridgetown
    Kingston
    Sydney
    Durban
    Melbourne
    Perth
    Vancouver
    Adelaide
    Wellington
    Port Elizabeth
    Stanley
     
  16. Rhye

    Rhye 's and Fall creator

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    Indeed, to make everything work, names must be in the correct native name and romanization, as in RFC standards
     
  17. kbk

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    So here are some American ones that I can come up with off the top of my head. I chose them for historical importance, population, and I additionally tried to be geographically diverse.

    I am including the earliest date that these areas could be considered a settlement. Many were officially incorporated much later. In the case of indigenous populations, I present the date when the city or area received its first permanent European or American settlement. These dates I obtained from Wikipedia, so if you can back them up with a real source, I have no objections to changing them.

    Additionally, some may need to be filtered and claimed by other countries.

    *means initially founded by England
    **means initially founded by France
    ***means initially founded by Spain or Mexico
    ****means initially founded by the Netherlands


    1 noncoastal in initial continent:
    Detroit ca 1701*
    Pittsburgh ca 1758*
    Chicago ca 1770*
    Cincinnati ca 1788
    Buffalo ca 1789
    Cleveland ca 1796
    Atlanta ca 1837
    Dallas ca 1841
    Salt Lake City ca 1847
    Denver ca 1858
    Phoenix ca 1881
    Las Vegas ca 1905

    2 coastal on initial continent:
    Washington ca 1790 (capitol)
    New York City ca 1624**** (also potentially an English settlement)
    Boston ca 1630*
    Philadelphia ca 1681*
    New Orleans ca 1718** (potentially Spanish as well)
    San Diego ca 1769***
    Los Angeles ca 1771***
    San Francisco ca 1776***
    Miami ca 1825
    Houston ca 1837
    Seattle ca 1851



    3 non-coastal cities in another continent:
    Juneau (alaska) 1881
    I have nothing... I can easily expand the initial continental cities by another 5-10 if people would like.

    4 coastal cities in another continent:
    These are drawn for current and past American territories, as well as Hawaii and Alaska:
    San Juan (Puerto Rico): ca 1501
    Havana (Cuba) ca 1515
    Manila (Philippines) ca 1574***
    Charlotte Amalie (U.S. Virgin Islands): ca 1657**** (Saint Thomas is the name of the island, and perhaps a better name)
    Guam ca 1668***
    American Samoa: ca 1830s
    Honolulu: ca 1898 (Hawaii was annexed as a territory in 1898, although was arguably influenced/claimed by America earlier).
    Anchorage: ca 1914



    Obviously some will appear on other lists, especially cities that were initially colonies of other civilizations. I would only argue that New York City, Chicago, San Francisco, San Diego, and Las Angeles should be exclusive to the US. Philadelphia and Boston have a lot of history as an English colony, but also are also extremely important cities in the American revolution and after.
     
  18. Lone Wolf

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    Russian
    Category 3 - non-existant, few major settlements offshore are non-coastal

    Category 4 - shall we include Sakhalin? If not, them we'll have to use settlements in Russian America -

    Novo-Archangelsk (administratve center)
    Port Chichagov
    Voskresenskaya (should shange to Seward when captured by USA)
    Pavlovskaya Gavan' (1792)
    Konstantinovsky (1793)
    Slavorossiya (1796)
    Fort Ross (Krepost' Rus in RFC, but even on Russian sites it is called Fort Ross)

    Crosspost.
     
  19. Hitti-Litti

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    1. Are Swedish/Norwegian/Danish city names OK when I run out of Viking era city names?

    2. Is for example Ireland considered another continent for Vikings(it would look stupid if Dublin would be built in Norway)?

    3. Is for example Jorvik(York) appropriate city for the Vikings, as England will likely build York?
     
  20. Lokolus

    Lokolus Retired...

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    Arabia: 1.
    Makkah
    Al-Madinah
    Dimashq
    Baghdad
    Najran
    Mosul
    Ar-Riyāḍ
    Halab
    Sanaa
    Ammān
    Al-Quds (it can be for many civs)

    2. Al-Basrah
    Gaza
    Beirut
    Masqat
    Aden
    Al-Qatif
    Abu-Dhabi
    Dubai
    Al-Kuwait
    Ad-Dammam
    Salalah

    3. Al-Qahira (Maybe Egyptian)
    Aswan
    Al Qayrawan
    Fas
    Gárnata
    Harar
    al-Kharṭūm
    Sabha

    4. Al-Iskhandariya
    Al-Jazair
    Tunis
    Tarabulus
    Banġāzī
    Wahran
    Dar-Beida
    Rabbat
    Maqadīshū
    Zanji-bar
    Tobruk
     

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