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[BNW] Rhye's Catapult 2020-06-02

Rhye's and Fall for Civ5

  1. Rhye

    Rhye 's and Fall creator

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    Dear Civ community,

    I hope you are all healthy and safe.

    I'm happy to announce here the release of "Rhye's Catapult" for Civ5 [EDIT 2nd of June: relased the first alpha].
    This is happening because of...Coronavirus. This worldwide disaster had the unexpected collateral effect of giving free time at home...


    So, if any of you is still playing Civ5 and eager to play RFC, you are welcome to contribute to the feedback.
    I'd like to keep this thread as not only as a place to post feedback, but also for me to ask advice, in case I get stuck in the development.

    I imagine many of you will have some questions, so here is a Q&A:



    What's Rhye's Catapult?

    Some of you will remember Rhye's Catapult in the early stages of Civ4. For the others: it's the working title for a very Rhye's and Fall mod, without its complete additional features. It is somehow related to Civ3's Rhye's of Civ - the Fastest Loading Mod.
    Therefore, this Catapult for Civ5 will contain a specifically tailored world map with a smooth rise and fall system. No fancy stuff like UHVs or full overhauls for now... (however, the future addition of external mods could be considered).



    What's peculiar of Rhye's Catapult for Civ5?

    I saw that in the meantime, many other modders released pieces of RFC, such as delayed spawns, revolution, realistic city naming, etc. Even the official game series incorporated some concepts such as congresses and city states.
    Indeed it's possible to build up your own RFC-style mix using existing mods, but I haven't found an all-in-one solution, and didn't find comfortable playing with the available world maps, for a variety of reasons.

    The goal of Catapult is not to turn Civ5 upside down, but just to allow an enjoyable experience in playing the Earth map, which should behave as a historical simulator.

    The most important part of this mod is the map, which satisfies 2 prerequisites at the same time:
    1-big enough to allow a comfortable 1 unit per tile movement
    2-small enough to allow a reasonable loading time.
    The result is a 134x74 map that is smaller than the standard big size (128x80) but has room for movement (see screenshots)

    On the top of it, a system of 22 major civs + 30 minor civs is implemented.
    A system of rotation of civs and city states will limit the number of actors on the stage, containing loading times (on my PC, 1-2 seconds at the beginning, to reach 15-20 when the map is populated).
    Delayed starts also help cutting loading times of autoplay (something similar to the 600AD starting point of RFC).
    City names map and settlers map modifiers will be added.



    What happened to Rhye's and Fall of Civilization?

    Works on the Civ5 version were started immediately. With the help of Gedemon, Seraphim and other civfanatics.
    It wasn't easy because my PC was too weak for the game, and any time there was a crash (which happened a lot) I had to wait sometimes hours: to reload the game, investigate, try a fix and re-run the autoplay. Autoplay was heavy also for other testers, apparently.
    On the top of that, every time Firaxis released a patch or a DLC it was an interference with my plans for the mod.
    Finally, all of a sudden my free time was over, and the mod was left as "a thing to do".



    What happened to Rhye?

    To say it shortly...I have been busy. I know this is not enough explanation and I need to apologise...
    If you want to know more in detail you can read the spolier.

    Spoiler :

    2010 Started working on RFC for Civ5
    2011 The RFC development goes on but far to be completed, also because collaborators sometimes had to leave. At some point moved to Japan, changed field to robotics; started Ph.D.; free time to zero due to the frantic lifestyle of Tokyo.
    2012 Moved to Germany and back through many business trips, free time even less than the previous year. Found external help to do some more progress on RFC, but couldn't integrate on the previous versions.
    2013 Moved to the US, then Germany, then Japan and other places in a rush to finish Ph.D. Uninstalled Civ5.
    2014 Moved to the Netherlands, Brazil, then to London in a restless barbarian fashion
    2015 Moved back to Japan, started post-doc; published a scientific article on the mechanisms of RFC together with Soren Johnson
    2016 Heavy workload; keep developing robots
    2017 Bought Civ6, quickly gave up; moved to Russia and then Peru
    2018 Working in Japan/Peru, heavy work load with teaching duties
    2019 Same as 2018. My work can be seen here: http://rhye.civfanatics.net/gabu/press.php




    Why Civ5 instead of Civ6?

    When I bought Civ6 I made up my mind that it wasn't going to happen, because of Civ6 districts, which make a game more as a sort of "Age of Empires", in the sense that you have a few bases (cities) for which you construct buildings and fight against other players bases. This is not going to work on a grand-scale game on a world map: in fact my only game played with the Earth map I spawned in the Amazon and it was all pretty uninspiring.
    Furthermore, I don't like the Civ6 cartoonish appearance. So well, it's a great game, but not for RFC.



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    So, I hope to be forgiven for the long absence!
    Many times I felt guilty for leaving a halfway developed mod, long awaited by the community, lost somewhere in an external hard disk in a shelf...
    I am not committing for an extensive mod like RFC nor for a totally bug-free code, as I don't want to repeat the same mistake of ambition, but I decided to keep things small and provide you what I have, which will be released whether it's perfect or not, and I hope you will find it enjoyable.
     
    Last edited: Jul 15, 2020
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  2. Rhye

    Rhye 's and Fall creator

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    DOWNLOAD:
    rhye.civfanatics.net/civ5/Catapult(v46).zip
    rhye.civfanatics.net/civ5/Catapult(v48).zip
     
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  3. Rhye

    Rhye 's and Fall creator

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    Screenshots from v48
    v48coronaCut.jpg

    Screenshots from v45
    v45carib.png
    v45hunsCut.jpg
    v45vlad.png

    Screenshots from v34
    Arabia.png

    Screenshots from v26
    Screenshot 2020-05-17 22.39.23.png
    eu.jpg

    Screenshots from v22
    Screenshot 2020-05-03 16.22.15.png
    Screenshot 2020-05-03 16.20.53.png
    Screenshot 2020-05-03 18.06.12.png


    Screenshots from v11



     
    Last edited: Aug 1, 2020
  4. Alexius08

    Alexius08 Emperor

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    I'd like to see how this turns out. RFC and its offshots are why I've been sticking with Civ4 even after new Civ versions are out there for years.
     
  5. Akbarthegreat

    Akbarthegreat Angel of Junil

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    Oh my god. I open the civ5 forums after nearly two years to download Vox Populi, and on this very day, Rhye posts this. Eagerly looking forward to May 10th! :D:D:D
     
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    I'm about to cry of joy! :D
     
  7. NinjaCow64

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    This is pretty epic. Might redownload CivV for this!
     
  8. Rhye

    Rhye 's and Fall creator

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    Thank you everyone! I sincerly hope that the Civ5 community is not completely dead.
    Perhaps we can try to call people back here from Civ6 and Civ4.
    Feel free to ask any questions on the mod contents.
     
  9. NinjaCow64

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    What civilisations and city states are you planning to include?
     
  10. Rhye

    Rhye 's and Fall creator

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    Right, good question.

    It can still change anytime, but so far, this is the list of the 22 playable civs.
    The civs which historically had a big world-wide impact were prioritised.

    Spoiler :

    Egypt
    India
    China
    Greece
    Persia
    Rome
    Japan
    Korea
    Huns
    Arabia
    France
    Spain
    England
    Germany
    Russia
    Netherlands
    Portugal
    Inca
    Mongolia
    Aztecs
    Turkey
    America


    The Huns are a special case and still experimental: I want to see how it works with a civ that starts with no settlers and just brings destruction (since the barbarians can't capture cities).

    There's a long list of "minor civs", which can have one or more city states:
    Spoiler :

    BABYLONIA
    PHOENICIA
    ISRAEL
    CELTIA
    MAYA
    ETHIOPIA
    INDONESIA
    BYZANTIUM
    VIKINGS
    SIAM
    POLAND
    SWEDEN
    AUSTRIA_HUNGARY
    BRAZIL
    NATIVE_AMERICANS
    AFRICA
    TIBET
    VIETNAM
    ASIA
    PAPAL_STATE
    ITALY
    MEXICO
    ARGENTINA
    LATIN_AMERICA
    CONFEDERACY
    CANADA
    AUSTRALIA

    and our beloved "INDEPENDENTS"




    All these civs are activated in a selective way, depending on the human player's civ and era. This helps limiting the game complexity and loading times.
     
  11. mbbcam

    mbbcam Prince

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    There is some activity in the Strategy & Tips section of the forums, including a pretty active series of games posted for other players. You might want to post there or take a look to see what is going on.
     
  12. Genghis Khaiser

    Genghis Khaiser Prince

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    My questions:
    1. Is there going to be a city name map in the future?
    2. Do these minor civs work the same or differently as city-states? I have a document somewhere in my personal files developing an idea of an RFC for Civ5 and I was thinking about minor civs that could work that way.
    3. What are your own views on other RFC inspired mods like RFC Europe, Sword of Islam, etc?
     
  13. Rhye

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    1. yes, there will be, it's a basic feature
    2. they are literally city states that control more than one city. For instance Carthage may control Carthage itself, Leptis and other cities.
    We have to test it ingame to see if it works properly.
    3. hopefully we can see the same development of spin-offs carried out also for civ5. But first I have to release Catapult and later possibly integrate other components
     
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  14. black213

    black213 Emperor

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    This is so nice to hear! I didn't expect to see more of this project.
    Will the core gameplay be the same as in the basegame? Is a Vox Populi version possible? :drool:
     
  15. JHLee

    JHLee Prince

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    This..this is a dream come true!!!
     
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    Gazebo Lord of the Community Patch Supporter

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    Welcome back. Not sure if your planning on rolling your own DLL or not, but if you want, you’re welcome to branch off of the Community Patch. Lots of new API hooks and a vastly better AI.

    Good luck!
     
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  17. Rhye

    Rhye 's and Fall creator

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    I believe that vox populi can't be directly integrated into this. However, I'm open to integrate small parts if necessary,
    and to leave the mod code available for anyone from vox populi who may want to do that (you may want to use this Earth map, for example)
     
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  18. Rhye

    Rhye 's and Fall creator

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    Thank you!
    I am planning to do everything without DLL. It seems to be very difficult to compile now in 2020, with many software versions that changed.
    I probably don't need it to achieve the purpose of the mod, and if I leave it DLL-free, it will be easy for any user to replace it with their own.
     
  19. Genghis Khaiser

    Genghis Khaiser Prince

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    Something that kept Civ4's community alive is that the game's far more mod-friendly than Civ5. I hope a mix of several mods can be added to create RFC5.


    On the other hand, I came up with an idea, but you guys will need to tell me how viable it is: What if a player wants to play a civilization not in the list of playable civs?

    I'll brainstorm something and Rhye will know this better than me but I have the idea of replacing the 22nd slot with all if the remaining civs, the rule being that only one of them is on the map as a major civ and only available to the human player, otherwise the civ will be represented on the map as minor civs/barbarians/city-states, while the other 21 are always present as major civs no matter what. I'd pick the Hun slot to be replaced with Huns/Babylonia/Israel/Celts/etc. I hope I'm explaining myself.

    PS: What does "Confederacy" mean on the list of minor civs? Is it the Confederate States of America?
     
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  20. Rhye

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    I actually did try some similar experiments already. There is a function SetActivePlayer that looked promising. But replacing graphics and info after the game starts seems to not work.
    Maybe it would work if it's all done in PreGame... replacing scenario data with manually scripted scenario settings in Lua.
     
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