Richard Perle: Neocon Revisionism at its Greatest

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Who wants to bet that if things had gone well in Iraq, neo-cons like Perle would be lapping up the praise and claiming credit for all the good fortune? Unfortunately for them (and the rest of the world) things did not go so well for them.

Now, guess what? The Neo-cons did not have that much influence after all! All this time it has been a silly leftist plot to accuse them of being idiots and messing everything up. In fact, there really wasn’t a neoconservative foreign policy at all! :rolleyes:

How does this guy get off with this crap? Does he really think anyone will actually believe him? I bet if he were to go under oath with some of his assertions, he may not be so confident…

Article in spoiler due to length. I was tempted to bold the entire article, as it is all relevant:

Spoiler :

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy.../02/19/AR2009021903332.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

Prince of Darkness Denies Own Existence
By Dana Milbank
Friday, February 20, 2009; Page A03

Listening to neoconservative mastermind Richard Perle at the Nixon Center yesterday, there was a sense of falling down the rabbit hole.

In real life, Perle was the ideological architect of the Iraq war and of the Bush doctrine of preemptive attack. But at yesterday's forum of foreign policy intellectuals, he created a fantastic world in which:

1. Perle is not a neoconservative.

2. Neoconservatives do not exist.

3. Even if neoconservatives did exist, they certainly couldn't be blamed for the disasters of the past eight years.


"There is no such thing as a neoconservative foreign policy," Perle informed the gathering, hosted by National Interest magazine. "It is a left critique of what is believed by the commentator to be a right-wing policy."

So what about the 1996 report he co-authored that is widely seen as the cornerstone of neoconservative foreign policy? "My name was on it because I signed up for the study group," Perle explained. "I didn't approve it. I didn't read it."

Mm-hmm. And the two letters to the president, signed by Perle, giving a "moral" basis to Middle East policy and demanding military means to remove Saddam Hussein? "I don't have the letters in front of me," Perle replied.

Right. And the Bush administration National Security Strategy, enshrining the neoconservative themes of preemptive war and using American power to spread freedom? "I don't know whether President Bush ever read any of those statements," Perle maintained. "My guess is he didn't."

The Prince of Darkness -- so dubbed during his days opposing arms control in the Reagan Pentagon – was not about to let details get in the way of his argument that "50 million conspiracy theorists have it wrong," as the subtitle of his article for National Interest put it. "I see a number of people here who believe and have expressed themselves abundantly that there is a neoconservative foreign policy and it was the policy that dominated the Bush administration, and they ascribe to it responsibility for the deplorable state of the world," Perle told the foreign policy luminaries at yesterday's lunch. "None of that is true, of course."

Of course.

He had been a leading cheerleader for the Iraq war, predicting that the effort would take few troops and last only a few days, and that Iraq would pay for its own reconstruction. Perle was chairman of Bush's Defense Policy Board -- and the president clearly took the advice of Perle and his fellow neocons. And Perle, in turn, said back then that Bush "knows exactly what he's doing."

Yesterday, however, Perle said Bush's foreign policy had "no philosophical underpinnings and certainly nothing like the demonic influence of neoconservatives that is alleged." He also took issue with the common view that neocons favored using American might to spread democratic values. "There's no documentation!" he argued. "I can't find a single example of a neoconservative supposed to have influence over the Bush administration arguing that we should impose democracy by force."

Those in the room were skeptical of Perle's efforts to recast himself as a pragmatist.

Richard Burt, who clashed with Perle in the Reagan administration, took issue with "this argument that neoconservatism maybe actually doesn't exist." He reminded Perle of the longtime rift between foreign policy realists and neoconservative interventionists. "You've got to kind of acknowledge there is a neoconservative school of thought," Burt challenged.

"I don't accept the approach, not at all," the Prince of Darkness replied.

Jacob Heilbrunn of National Interest asked Perle to square his newfound realism with the rather idealistic title of his book, "An End to Evil."

"We had a publisher who chose the title," Perle claimed, adding: "There's hardly an ideology in that book." (An excerpt: "There is no middle way for Americans: It is victory or holocaust. This book is a manual for victory.")


Regardless of the title, Heilbrunn pursued, how could so many people -- including lapsed neoconservative Francis Fukuyama -- all be so wrong about what neoconservatives represent?

"It's not surprising that a lot of people get something wrong," Perle reasoned.

At times, the Prince of Darkness turned on his questioners. Fielding a question from the Financial Times, he said that the newspaper "propagated this myth of neoconservative influence." He informed Stefan Halper of Cambridge University that "you have contributed significantly to this mythology."

"There are some 5,000 footnotes," Halper replied. "Documents that you've signed."


But documents did not deter denials. "I've never advocated attacking Iran," he said, to a few chuckles. "Regime change does not imply military force, at least not when I use the term," he said, to raised eyebrows. Accusations that neoconservatives manipulated intelligence on Iraq? "There's no truth to it." At one point, he argued that the word "neoconservative" has been used as an anti-Semitic slur, just moments after complaining that prominent figures such as Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld -- Christians both -- had been grouped in with the neoconservatives.

"I don't know that I persuaded anyone," Perle speculated when the session ended.

No worries, said the moderator. "You certainly kept us all entertained."
 
We now know a neoconservative is someone who sets his house on fire then boasts six years later that nobody can put it out. Bill Moyers
 
There's a book out a year or 2 back, I forget the name of it. But it claims that the failures at CIA that mislead Bush about WMDs and allowed 911 to happen were all a lefty plot :rolleyes:
 
There's a book out a year or 2 back, I forget the name of it. But it claims that the failures at CIA that mislead Bush about WMDs and allowed 911 to happen were all a lefty plot :rolleyes:

That author is as ******ed as those who say Bush knew about the attacks before they happened.
 
Who wants to bet that if things had gone well in Iraq, neo-cons like Perle would be lapping up the praise and claiming credit for all the good fortune? Unfortunately for them (and the rest of the world) things did not go so well for them.

Now, guess what? The Neo-cons did not have that much influence after all! All this time it has been a silly leftist plot to accuse them of being idiots and messing everything up. In fact, there really wasn’t a neoconservative foreign policy at all! :rolleyes:

How does this guy get off with this crap? Does he really think anyone will actually believe him? I bet if he were to go under oath with some of his assertions, he may not be so confident…

Article in spoiler due to length. I was tempted to bold the entire article, as it is all relevant:

Spoiler :

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy.../02/19/AR2009021903332.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

Prince of Darkness Denies Own Existence
By Dana Milbank
Friday, February 20, 2009; Page A03

Listening to neoconservative mastermind Richard Perle at the Nixon Center yesterday, there was a sense of falling down the rabbit hole.

In real life, Perle was the ideological architect of the Iraq war and of the Bush doctrine of preemptive attack. But at yesterday's forum of foreign policy intellectuals, he created a fantastic world in which:

1. Perle is not a neoconservative.

2. Neoconservatives do not exist.

3. Even if neoconservatives did exist, they certainly couldn't be blamed for the disasters of the past eight years.


"There is no such thing as a neoconservative foreign policy," Perle informed the gathering, hosted by National Interest magazine. "It is a left critique of what is believed by the commentator to be a right-wing policy."

So what about the 1996 report he co-authored that is widely seen as the cornerstone of neoconservative foreign policy? "My name was on it because I signed up for the study group," Perle explained. "I didn't approve it. I didn't read it."

Mm-hmm. And the two letters to the president, signed by Perle, giving a "moral" basis to Middle East policy and demanding military means to remove Saddam Hussein? "I don't have the letters in front of me," Perle replied.

Right. And the Bush administration National Security Strategy, enshrining the neoconservative themes of preemptive war and using American power to spread freedom? "I don't know whether President Bush ever read any of those statements," Perle maintained. "My guess is he didn't."

The Prince of Darkness -- so dubbed during his days opposing arms control in the Reagan Pentagon – was not about to let details get in the way of his argument that "50 million conspiracy theorists have it wrong," as the subtitle of his article for National Interest put it. "I see a number of people here who believe and have expressed themselves abundantly that there is a neoconservative foreign policy and it was the policy that dominated the Bush administration, and they ascribe to it responsibility for the deplorable state of the world," Perle told the foreign policy luminaries at yesterday's lunch. "None of that is true, of course."

Of course.

He had been a leading cheerleader for the Iraq war, predicting that the effort would take few troops and last only a few days, and that Iraq would pay for its own reconstruction. Perle was chairman of Bush's Defense Policy Board -- and the president clearly took the advice of Perle and his fellow neocons. And Perle, in turn, said back then that Bush "knows exactly what he's doing."

Yesterday, however, Perle said Bush's foreign policy had "no philosophical underpinnings and certainly nothing like the demonic influence of neoconservatives that is alleged." He also took issue with the common view that neocons favored using American might to spread democratic values. "There's no documentation!" he argued. "I can't find a single example of a neoconservative supposed to have influence over the Bush administration arguing that we should impose democracy by force."

Those in the room were skeptical of Perle's efforts to recast himself as a pragmatist.

Richard Burt, who clashed with Perle in the Reagan administration, took issue with "this argument that neoconservatism maybe actually doesn't exist." He reminded Perle of the longtime rift between foreign policy realists and neoconservative interventionists. "You've got to kind of acknowledge there is a neoconservative school of thought," Burt challenged.

"I don't accept the approach, not at all," the Prince of Darkness replied.

Jacob Heilbrunn of National Interest asked Perle to square his newfound realism with the rather idealistic title of his book, "An End to Evil."

"We had a publisher who chose the title," Perle claimed, adding: "There's hardly an ideology in that book." (An excerpt: "There is no middle way for Americans: It is victory or holocaust. This book is a manual for victory.")


Regardless of the title, Heilbrunn pursued, how could so many people -- including lapsed neoconservative Francis Fukuyama -- all be so wrong about what neoconservatives represent?

"It's not surprising that a lot of people get something wrong," Perle reasoned.

At times, the Prince of Darkness turned on his questioners. Fielding a question from the Financial Times, he said that the newspaper "propagated this myth of neoconservative influence." He informed Stefan Halper of Cambridge University that "you have contributed significantly to this mythology."

"There are some 5,000 footnotes," Halper replied. "Documents that you've signed."


But documents did not deter denials. "I've never advocated attacking Iran," he said, to a few chuckles. "Regime change does not imply military force, at least not when I use the term," he said, to raised eyebrows. Accusations that neoconservatives manipulated intelligence on Iraq? "There's no truth to it." At one point, he argued that the word "neoconservative" has been used as an anti-Semitic slur, just moments after complaining that prominent figures such as Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld -- Christians both -- had been grouped in with the neoconservatives.

"I don't know that I persuaded anyone," Perle speculated when the session ended.

No worries, said the moderator. "You certainly kept us all entertained."

Errr, I kinda hate asking this, as it seems somewhat lame to ask, but this is all hearsay. So can anyone conform this is what was being implied and not taken out of context.

Sure I agree with the OP more or less. But I guess I am a little jaded with people and politics to take one person's word on something.

(precognition post reply): Forma, I was hoping someone more to the right could conform this.
 
That author is as ******ed as those who say Bush knew about the attacks before they happened.
But he did know. Well, not the specific details of course. But certainly enough to take action, which he clearly did not.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/10/august6.memo/

Clandestine, foreign government, and media reports indicate bin Laden since 1997 has wanted to conduct terrorist attacks in the US. Bin Laden implied in U.S. television interviews in 1997 and 1998 that his followers would follow the example of World Trade Center bomber Ramzi Yousef and "bring the fighting to America."

After U.S. missile strikes on his base in Afghanistan in 1998, bin Laden told followers he wanted to retaliate in Washington, according to a -- -- service.

An Egyptian Islamic Jihad (EIJ) operative told - - service at the same time that bin Laden was planning to exploit the operative's access to the U.S. to mount a terrorist strike.

The millennium plotting in Canada in 1999 may have been part of bin Laden's first serious attempt to implement a terrorist strike in the U.S.

Convicted plotter Ahmed Ressam has told the FBI that he conceived the idea to attack Los Angeles International Airport himself, but that in ---, Laden lieutenant Abu Zubaydah encouraged him and helped facilitate the operation. Ressam also said that in 1998 Abu Zubaydah was planning his own U.S. attack.

Ressam says bin Laden was aware of the Los Angeles operation. Although Bin Laden has not succeeded, his attacks against the U.S. Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998 demonstrate that he prepares operations years in advance and is not deterred by setbacks. Bin Laden associates surveyed our embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam as early as 1993, and some members of the Nairobi cell planning the bombings were arrested and deported in 1997.

Al Qaeda members -- including some who are U.S. citizens -- have resided in or traveled to the U.S. for years, and the group apparently maintains a support structure that could aid attacks.

Two al-Qaeda members found guilty in the conspiracy to bomb our embassies in East Africa were U.S. citizens, and a senior EIJ member lived in California in the mid-1990s.

A clandestine source said in 1998 that a bin Laden cell in New York was recruiting Muslim-American youth for attacks.


We have not been able to corroborate some of the more sensational threat reporting, such as that from a ---- service in 1998 saying that Bin Laden wanted to hijack a U.S. aircraft to gain the release of "Blind Sheikh" Omar Abdel Rahman and other U.S.-held extremists.

Nevertheless, FBI information since that time indicates patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings or other types of attacks, including recent surveillance of federal buildings in New York.

The FBI is conducting approximately 70 full-field investigations throughout the U.S. that it considers bin Laden-related. CIA and the FBI are investigating a call to our embassy in the UAE in May saying that a group or bin Laden supporters was in the U.S. planning attacks with explosives.

(precognition post reply): Forma, I was hoping someone more to the right could conform this.
:lol: It seems to make sense to be, but I'm not quite sure how I'd go about confirming it other than to say it fits their MO to a T. It's how they roll...

Prince of Darkness Denies Own Existence
Indeed. The subject bar says it all.
 
Errr, I kinda hate asking this, as it seems somewhat lame to ask, but this is all hearsay. So can anyone conform this is what was being implied and not taken out of context.

Sure I agree with the OP more or less. But I guess I am a little jaded with people and politics to take one person's word on something.

(precognition post reply): Forma, I was hoping someone more to the right could conform this.

YouTube interview of Perle by the The National Interest:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCSgOnNeL14

Article by Perle on the National Interest web site (with links to the OP article and the interview linked above):
http://www.nationalinterest.org/Article.aspx?id=20900

The Washington Post article also has a video, which has some excerpts from the meeting itself:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2009/02/19/VI2009021903283.html

Granted the OP article is an opinion piece, so it is not straight reporting. I could not find a video or transcript of the entire meeting/presentation Perle gave. My guess is that it will be posted in the next few days on the Nixon Center web site and/or YouTube page, linked to from the Nixon Center web site (www.nixoncenter.org)
 
YouTube interview of Perle by the The National Interest:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCSgOnNeL14

Article by Perle on the National Interest web site (with links to the OP article and the interview linked above):
http://www.nationalinterest.org/Article.aspx?id=20900

The Washington Post article also has a video, which has some excerpts from the meeting itself:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2009/02/19/VI2009021903283.html

Granted the OP article is an opinion piece, so it is not straight reporting. I could not find a video or transcript of the entire meeting/presentation Perle gave. My guess is that it will be posted in the next few days on the Nixon Center web site and/or YouTube page, linked to from the Nixon Center web site (www.nixoncenter.org)

You didn't have to go that far with it dude. I was just dbl checking.
 
No worries - I was actually curious myself after your question!
 
There have been other reports in the press about this revisionist history campaign lately. You don't usually see the chief proponent for a particular political agenda try to claim there is no such thing, or that he had no real influence on what happened.

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/08/perle-iraq-architect/
 
We would not have lost if not for these atheist empty minded liberals. If our soldiers had fought in Iraq as an Army of God and brought the ignorant Iraqi people the Word of our Lord Jesus Christ then we would have achieved victory for sure. An Army of God cannot be defeated. But since the satanic liberals would not allow us to do this we are losing.
 
Where he’s wrong is that we went into Iraq at the invitation of the government, not as an invasion.
We’re in Iraq as the result of a democracy asking for us to come in there. It’s not an invasion.
Dic_ Morris - Fox News Aug 22nd, 2008

FLEISCHER: You just scratch your head and say, “How could we be wrong?” It wasn’t just us that thought he had weapons of mass destruction. The Egyptians thought it, the French thought it, the Germans thought it the United Nations thought it, Bill Clinton’s CIA though it. We all thought it. Saddam was the big liar here.
- Ari Fleischer CNN February 20th, 2009

Anything else ? Bush is Lincon ? Iraq attacked the US on 9/11 ? Mushroom clouds and smoking guns ?
 
We would not have lost if not for these atheist empty minded liberals. If our soldiers had fought in Iraq as an Army of God and brought the ignorant Iraqi people the Word of our Lord Jesus Christ then we would have achieved victory for sure. An Army of God cannot be defeated. But since the satanic liberals would not allow us to do this we are losing.

Lord be praised, we have a savior at last! :goodjob:
 
We would not have lost if not for these atheist empty minded liberals. If our soldiers had fought in Iraq as an Army of God and brought the ignorant Iraqi people the Word of our Lord Jesus Christ then we would have achieved victory for sure. An Army of God cannot be defeated. But since the satanic liberals would not allow us to do this we are losing.

I'm pretty sure Iraq got wind of Jesus Christ waaay before America was even conceived of.
 
We would not have lost if not for these atheist empty minded liberals. If our soldiers had fought in Iraq as an Army of God and brought the ignorant Iraqi people the Word of our Lord Jesus Christ then we would have achieved victory for sure. An Army of God cannot be defeated. But since the satanic liberals would not allow us to do this we are losing.

Yeah, because all those crusades in the Middle East totally worked.
 
We would not have lost if not for these atheist empty minded liberals. If our soldiers had fought in Iraq as an Army of God and brought the ignorant Iraqi people the Word of our Lord Jesus Christ then we would have achieved victory for sure. An Army of God cannot be defeated. But since the satanic liberals would not allow us to do this we are losing.

Most liberals are christians :rolleyes:
 
The Landover Baptist Church has finally arrived. Praise Jebus:

http://www.landoverbaptist.org/

Republican Children Say the Darndest Things About Barack Obama!

"Is the Obama going to send the rappers to get my mommy? - Brian Wind, Age 10, Liberty University Advanced Children's Christian Center for Learning

"I'm saving myslef for maragie, Is Obama going to make me have sex with my girlfriend and smoke marniguana and cigarittes before I'm old enough? - Jonathan Westfalls, Age 45, Liberty University School of Advanced Baptist Learnings

"Why does daddy cuss so much when Obama is on TV?" - Benjamin Talkins, Age 8, Lynchburg Christian Academy

"My daddy made my sister move away cause said she is voted for Obama. Is she going to be okay? He hit her in the head with the Bible. I am not allowed to help her because Daddy said she is no better than a Mexican and there ain't no Mexicans in this Christian family." - Cheryl Longwood, Age 14, Lynchburg Christian Academy at Thomas Road Baptist Church

"How comes a colored person is allowed to be a President?" - Sally Fisher, Age 17 Landover Baptist High School For the Saved

"Is Obama really gonna make momma get an abortion? I wanted a little brother and she promised to make one for me!" - Mark Ingram, Age 5, Home Schooled

"How is my daddy going to get his money for retirement if Obama is going to take it all and give it to the Negroes?" - Jenny Yolinda, Age 10, Landover Baptist Christian Academy for the Saved
 
We would not have lost if not for these atheist empty minded liberals. If our soldiers had fought in Iraq as an Army of God and brought the ignorant Iraqi people the Word of our Lord Jesus Christ then we would have achieved victory for sure. An Army of God cannot be defeated. But since the satanic liberals would not allow us to do this we are losing.

Am I the only one to think that you are a DL? :mischief:
 
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