RIP Sweden

[Quackers]

Link to video.

Short, but very informative piece on a dangerous road Sweden is going down. Pretty much everything you watch in that film has similarities with things happening in Britain, France and other Western countries. Sweden is just at the most advanced stage.

Is this Swedish model the one we want to emulate? Does Europe require a civic nationalism for immigrants to assimilate into? Is the idea of assimilation racist itself? According to B. Hussein. O it is the model nation for America. Is that the type of America you desire?

 

[Cutlass]

Sweden has been moving steadily to the right for the past 20 years. I assume that's what you mean by them killing their future.

 

[Quackers]

Sweden has been moving steadily to the right for the past 20 years. I assume that's what you mean by them killing their future.

Well, watch the video. It is not a question of economics it's more important then that.

 

[timtofly]

Soviet is the right?

 

[JollyRoger]

Is Sweden succumbing to a succubus?

 

[ywhtptgtfo]

Sweden is in danger of losing another half of its territories to Russia like last time.

 

[BvBPL]

That was not a good piece of journalism. The video was presented on the notion that Sweden is going to become a third world nation. Okay, that's a fine premise from which to start, but nothing in the piece supports that. We get thirty seconds of how Sweden may become a third world nation and then five minutes of discussing the social consequences of speaking out against Sweden's multiculturalism. That jump is a total non sequitur. It does not follow that because there are social consequences of being critical of Sweden's multiculturalism Sweden is therefore becoming a third world nation.

 

[Cutlass]

Are they at any point going to present any actual reasons to back up their many accusations? The whole thing sounds like the whining of neonazis.

 

[Goodfella]

That was not a good piece of journalism. The video was presented on the notion that Sweden is going to become a third world nation. Okay, that's a fine premise from which to start, but nothing in the piece supports that. We get thirty seconds of how Sweden may become a third world nation and then five minutes of discussing the social consequences of speaking out against Sweden's multiculturalism. That jump is a total non sequitur. It does not follow that because there are social consequences of being critical of Sweden's multiculturalism Sweden is therefore becoming a third world nation.

Well they vaguely alluded to a UN study which showed Sweden's HDI would fall so far Libya would be higher which would apparently make Sweden a third world country (which by definition is impossible). I think this study is what they were referencing (control-f Sweden). I think it's worth noting that Sweden seems to be one of the only western countries which will witness a fall in HDI according to the forecast while many others, including Britain and France (with large immigrant populations), will see large gains. Also, many of these "third world countries" will witness very large increases in HDI. It's not as if Sweden will be as bad as modern Libya, but Libya in several decades. Though the forecast does show a large fall for Sweden, I really don't know if this is the result of immigrants and immigrant-related policies or something else.

 

[Harv]

Short, but very informative piece on a dangerous road Sweden is going down. Pretty much everything you watch in that film has similarities with things happening in Britain, France and other Western countries. Sweden is just at the most advanced stage.

Ten seconds in, the piece claims that a UN report has Sweden 45th on the HDI by 2030, what they call a third world nation. The rest of the piece is about how people are afraid about speaking out against immigration policy for fear of being branded racist.

So I am having trouble following how get from Swedish economic policy, to an inability to have an open and honest discussion about immigration without being branded a racist, to Sweden becoming a third world nation in 15 years or so.

As far as I know, Sweden is still economically okay.

I have a question about Sweden: Americans and Canadians play hockey, as do Swedes. Are Swedish hockey games as prone to fighting as NHL games are?

Is this Swedish model the one we want to emulate?

Sweden was the role-model of nations leaning towards socialism twenty years ago. Based on the comment 6 seconds into this piece, it still is.

Socialists see Sweden as a role-model because socialism appears to work in Sweden. I believe it is because the culture still promotes a strong work ethic.

Does Europe require a civic nationalism for immigrants to assimilate into? Is the idea of assimilation racist itself?

I do not know. Check the active Ukrainian Crisis Thread?

According to B. Hussein. O it is the model nation for America. Is that the type of America you desire?

I think you are saying that America is on the same road as the UK and the UK is on the same road as Sweden and the rest of Europe, but not as far along.

Are you saying America needs to wake up? Free speech is under attack?

 

[Phrossack]

According to B. Hussein. O it is the model nation for America. Is that the type of America you desire?

I have noticed a tendency among the right to focus on the middle name of the President's name. I wonder why...

 

[JollyRoger]

The celebrate the diversity that middle name represents.

 

[Harv]

I have noticed a tendency among the right to focus on the middle name of the President's name. I wonder why...

The OP does not come across as being "from the right."

 

[KMRblue1027]

The OP does not come across as being "from the right."

Are you kidding me? Quackers is like in the top 10 most conservative posters here discounting troll accounts like Core Imposter.

 

[gay_Aleks]

It could be argued that he's so right, he might either have invented a new state of being right, or he reached the left.

 

[Harv]

Are you kidding me?

Actually I have not read enough of his posts to form an opinion. My assessment comes from a look at his avatar, and his location, which is Great Britain. Therefore I was going by the assumption that......

No Brit is a conservative poster.

Quackers is like in the top 10 most conservative posters here discounting troll accounts like Core Imposter.

Well, no true Brit is a conservative poster.

Hmm. Okay. I will take your word for it and chalk it up as a geography lesson.

 

[Verbose]

It's been circulated before. It's one of these forecasts that uses certain parameters to model possible future scenarios. These are weighted in certain ways. Since war and civil unrest leads to refugees, in a generalised global model accepting large numbers of immigrants is modelled as spill-over of war and civil disorder, and massively pulls down the projected HDI. It means if you are an immigration country, you get a long-term forecast from these people indicating you will sink like a stone in HDI. It's a reasonable assumption when modelling parts of the world where spill-over effects of neighbouring countries imploding leads to massive waves of refugees, which masses up the neighbourhood. Sweden is an international outlier in that respect, since it's not taking refugees and immigrants because Norway or Finland has blown a gasket and are collapsing.

Given the length of the projections, if this model had been used on say the 19th c. US, it would today by logic default be a third-world hell-hole. There's a good many similar studies from various parts of Europe clearly indicating how for all the frictional problems immigration can cause, it leads not net gains for the nation accepting it. Sweden has spent the last 20 years growing its economy faster than then rest of the EU and even the US. Each new million citizens mark has been passed at a faster rate than ever in Swedish history. It's projected to get a coming old-age dependency rate well ahead of the rest of an otherwise quickly greying Europe. That's one of these question one can pose to the selection criteria: immigration is super-bad, apparently, but ending up with a sliver of a population not decrepit from age, tasked with supporting a huge lump of steadily deteriorating old people is apparently no problem at all, m'kay?

This study is being trotted around the internet becuase the model settled on by a quirk of selected criteria and their weighting threw up a result supposed to be very unflattering for Sweden. It means Sweden is an immigration country these days. We knew that. Everyone who wants to close the national borders hates it of course.

 

[Perfection]

I'm not going to watch the YouTube video but I presume Sweden's collapse is due to catastrophic furniture failure, right?

 

[Kyriakos]

One should note that Sweden, due to its geographical position in the far north, gets a lot less muslim or african immigrants than the med countries, and also less than other northern countries which had colonies in the muslim/african world (eg UK/France).

Furthermore it has a small population (iirc 10 million? a bit less than Greece), and was kept out of war for the last couple of centuries, which allowed local industry and service-oriented business to expand (as in Switzerland, for similar reasons).

I would have to guess that most of the immigrants to Sweden are europeans anyway. Probably mostly from the other side of the Baltic (including Russia). I find it difficult to assume that random immigrants (illegal, obviously) from Africa or the middle east can make it all the way to Sweden without being held/deported. So the case of Sweden has a lot of important differences with that of other euro countries which have illegal immigration.

 

[Aleksey_aka_al]

Soviet Sweden? No, thanks. No Western European country will be let to the USSR 2.0. You had your chance, barbarians!