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(Rising Tide) No speculation on Hybrid Affinities and New sponsors?

Discussion in 'CivBE - General Discussions' started by Metecury, Jun 16, 2015.

  1. Veras

    Veras Prince

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    The Space version of Barbary Corsairs would fit perfectly a Pirate sponsor
     
  2. aguliondew

    aguliondew Prince

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    I am expecting a diplomacy based sponsor for one of the last 2 sponsors, since diplomacy getting completely reworked. I just hope that the final sponsor will be something that effect health(happiness) like India. Giving us another tall civ option. KP is nice for going tall easy to get the 3rd ring resources with little effort.

    The NSA get a 50% bonus to sea city defense (sea cities are weaker than land cities). AK get 50% bonus from turning production to energy/culture/food/science (so 3 to 1 instead of 4 to 1). Those bonus can be increase with diplomacy too.
     
  3. KrikkitTwo

    KrikkitTwo Immortal

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    I though their bonus was 150% so 4 to 2.5 (or 1.6 to 1)
     
  4. aguliondew

    aguliondew Prince

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    Yea your are right Kirkkittwo, the video shows it at 150%, I just got confused.
     
  5. Ryika

    Ryika Lazy Wannabe Artista

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    It's a 150% Bonus. Instead of 25% they convert 62.5% of their Production.
    Which is insane and will hopefully not get through the balance tests.
     
  6. Red Menace

    Red Menace Prepare to be Menaced

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    stop asking questions.
    Agreed i saw that and all i could think was, Is this some kind of sick joke?

    the max bonus 200% so 75% of your production goes to whatever if you have a city with like 80 production you get either [60 food 60 culture 60 science or 60 energy] looks totally balanced

    also getting a free wonder in every city is totally balanced, they have serious balancing to do
     
  7. Galgus

    Galgus Emperor

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    And yet Franco-Iberia still looks incredibly weak.
     
  8. SupremacyKing2

    SupremacyKing2 Deity

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    Yes, I want Franco-Iberia to get a buff to their unique trait.
     
  9. KrikkitTwo

    KrikkitTwo Immortal

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    But that means that 80 hammers is not going to units or building that boost output.

    150%-200% (depending on trait investment) might be too much, but 50% would be too low.

    You want it high enough that it is actually worth using.
     
  10. SupremacyKing2

    SupremacyKing2 Deity

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    Personally, I think 150-200% is fine. Yes, it makes the conversion procession really potent but your city is not producing anything while you use it which is major, so there is a give and take.
     
  11. DefiantMars

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    Remember that with the new Trait system, Traits tend to have a 3 stage scaling component. All Sponsor bonuses, which are derived from the Character Trait, will scale as well. So the value that you see on the Loadout menu screen is not the value that you can wind up with during the game.

    I still have no idea what this means for Elodie.
     
  12. Minor Annoyance

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    So I'm wondering about a hybrid harmony purity affinity. We know the supremacy purity hybrid is basically humans enslaved AI without changing humans themselves. Now purity is supposed to terraform the planet and kill the aliens, although that never really materialized as a major aspect of purity. I assume purity's non negotiable aspect is that humans remain essentially human and harmony's is valuing the planet's own biodiversity. So my assumption would be hybrid purity harmony would do extensive modifications of alien life to survive despite our presence. Like if we altered every creature on earth to eat used coffee filters.
     
  13. Red Menace

    Red Menace Prepare to be Menaced

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    stop asking questions.
    maybe it will look like this

    /free virtue every ten virtues - Free every 7 - free every 5?

    or maybe a free tech every ten virtues aswell as a free virtue and the third reduces it to like 7/8
    IDK
    this is true but for someone like me who values energy and production above all else i tend to use the processes alot until i get a new building which i buy in my main cities thus continuing the process

    now this bugs me the most about purity they get a combat bonus against aliens but no bonus to Terrascapes now if you could get like half-priced Terrascapes or increased health something to make you want to build them that would make me want to play purity
     
  14. Metecury

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    Doesn't the new trait feature enable sponsors to boost their unique abilities? Because if that is the case, once you up the level, the special ability of FI could be much better as the number of virtues required to get a free virtue would decrease.


    I would love to see some sort of Pirate/slavers faction based in the Mediterranean, we need a navy focused sponsor. Perhaps some sort of Space Venice/Byzantium/Berber federation.
     
  15. Metecury

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    I would love to see some sort of Pirate/slavers faction based in the Mediterranean, we need a navy focused sponsor. Perhaps some sort of Space Venice/Byzantium/Berber federation.
     
  16. Galgus

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    I can't see the current bonus working with trait upgrades well since it is focused on milestones rather than yield improvements.

    A percent culture boost or, dare I say it, gaining science equal to a percent of culture would be work much better with an upgrading trait system.

    Purity's themes are preserving the human form, glorifying and remembering history, terraforming, and generally building a better world for humanity.

    Harmony's themes are preserving the planet's ecosystem, a potentially paranoid desire to avoid a second great mistake, and adapting to the planet to thrive.

    A hybrid affinity must have agreements and disagreements with each parent affinity.

    My view of Purity / Harmony involves both adapting humanity to the planet and engaging in broad-scale genetic engineering to create and ecosystem that better supports civilization.

    It would have a theme of taking inspiration from the best of both worlds, and I've referred to it as "Synergy".

    In my opinion it is the most interesting and divergent way to envision the hybrid.
     
  17. SupremacyKing2

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    Yes, the unique trait levels up. So, it is very likely that the number of virtues to get a free virtue goes down. But it is not 100% confirmed yet.
     
  18. Promethian

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    Somewhere in the streams we have seen one of the Purity/Harmony units in the upgrade window. Its description said it was a genetically modified super soldier. So maintaining the human form but super charging it is in the cards.
     
  19. KrikkitTwo

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    I think that works well, because the idea of Supremacy is 'we adapt ourselves to not care about the environment'

    A 'adapt humanity' AND 'terraform the planet' combined means that rather than Earth or The Planet being the 'ideal coal' the ideal goal is a 3rd way... ie best for civilization and You are harmonizing both the population and the environment to it (unlike supremacy which ignores the environment)
     
  20. Galgus

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    I thought the one we saw was the patrol boat variant.

    Was there another stream where we say another Purity / Harmony unit?

    @KrikkitTwo

    Yes, part of why I like that approach to Purity / Harmony is that it is, in a sense, the opposite of Supremacy's view.

    It invests in creating and ties itself to an ideal environment, seeing it as the greatest path to prosperity.
     

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