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Role Play Challeng, TNG: John D Rockefeller, American Corporate Power

Discussion in 'Civ4 - Strategy & Tips' started by madscientist, Oct 6, 2011.

  1. madscientist

    madscientist RPC Supergenius

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    Welcome all to my next RPC, TNG; John D. Rockefeller, American Corporate Power!

    The games are meant to be fun and educational with a unique slant on some leader outside the standard 52.

    Here we have THE JOHN D. ROCKEFELLER! Capitalistic Genius, Benevolent Philantropist, Ruthless Businessman! He has seen the pathetic conditionson Wall Street and is quite upset, and my goodness The Stock MArket Giants of years past have been replaced by Geek driven machines. No wonder why people are demonstrating in the streets outside of Wall Street! So upset that he has come back from the grave (see my Avatar if you oubt it) to once again show the world how power is built through wealth!

    Now Rockefeller is a shrewd businessman, wealth cannot be acquired with many enemies yet those enemies MUST be dealt with. So we have an assortment of rules to bring the American Capatalist extreme to power!

    Settings:
    2 Hemisphere Normal sized Map, epic speed
    Unrestricted leaders and Rockefeller is the American leader having Financial and Industrious traits.
    Emperor difficulty

    Rules
    1) Rockefeller must ALWAYS have a gold surplus each turn, thus the slider starts at 90%
    2) Technologies we have a monopoly on CANNOT be traded until someone else discovers it.
    3) Corporations. We must found as many as possible, especially Standard ethanol. State Property is forbidden.
    4) We must have a monopoly on oil. Resources NOT in our lands must be continually destroyed via espionage.
    5) Victory can only be found via Space, UN, or Culture.


    And our CApitalistic leader



    My how time travel has improved his image!

    And the start



    Seafood, Seafood, seafood!!!!
     

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  2. m00n

    m00n Chieftain

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    Wow no deficit research. I wonder how much gold you will have in the end if you go for space. :D Well I guess you could eventually buy tech from the AI
    Sounds interesting. I'll play.
     
  3. GGracchus

    GGracchus Tribune of Rome

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    No deficit research...might be difficult cause you can't lower the slider and then go to 100%. Techpath Mining-BW while going WB(nothing for a worker to do). Warrior 1N or 1NW, either SiP or 1N. 1N gets whatever land's directly to the north, depends on what the warrior reveals.
     
  4. Radio Noer

    Radio Noer The Devourer

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    Subbed and what GGracchus said. BTW, totally off topic, I gave you a special thanks on my mod page GGracchus.
     
  5. GGracchus

    GGracchus Tribune of Rome

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    Thanks:D. I'm just glad I could help, I really enjoy the mod.
     
  6. Radio Noer

    Radio Noer The Devourer

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    By the way, were you ever going to post a game in the other S&T forum, it's pretty fun and nobody cares how quickly you update due to all of the dead/"on hiatus" threads ;).
     
  7. madscientist

    madscientist RPC Supergenius

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    Always seamed like S&T were never followed very much but as CIV has slowed perhaps I'll consider that. Maybe the Huns deserve a propper story!
     
  8. Radio Noer

    Radio Noer The Devourer

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    I was actually talking to GG, but that doesn't mean that it wouldn't be awesome to have a story from the great madscientist gracing the S&T forum :)
     
  9. lymond

    lymond Rise Up! (Phoenix Style!) Hall of Fame Staff

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    The rule may need clarification, but I did not read it as "no deficit research ever". As long as there is money in the bank, it seems you can do whatever you wish with the slider.

    So turn 1 may be 90%, but I don't see why it could not be 100% on turn 2 since there is gold in the bank and no deficit.

    Now if it is surplus "gold per turn" each turn, that is a different matter.

    edit: hmmm...I may be wrong and the key word may be "surplus". Mad, please clarify. It sounds like basically we must make a "profit" each turn. In other words, our bank must grow each turn. In that case...yeah...no deficit research ever and no 100% research unless somehow we stay positive via a holy shrine or specialists. Running Merchants could be key. Oh...and the Currency tech and building wealth will help a lot, of course.


    As for the start, settling 1N seems a no brainer for more production. (settling on marble would be interesting too)
     
  10. madscientist

    madscientist RPC Supergenius

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    Rockefeller ALWAYS needs to be making money. Explaination enough!
     
  11. m00n

    m00n Chieftain

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    5 BC Spoilers
    Spoiler :

    Fish was all Rockefeller could smell. Fish, fish and more fish. He purchased a fishing boat right away. And researched mining as well because he had great plans. With his financial skills, the money to me made from fishing, the forests and the marble in the north, building the oracle should be walk in the (Zuccotti) park. Stock markets and Oracles are like brother and sister after all.

    A few years of exploration reveal good land the the west of Washington and Canadian tundra in the north. After centuries of not meeting any fellow brokers Rockefeller is asking himself whether he might have to trade with himself for a while. A millennium has come and gone and he is sure, that he is the only capitalist on the entire island. He will not aim for technologies that help him trading for a while. Meanwhile the warrior-scouts have met some friendly Native Americans. The villagers are proud of their technological advances and hospitable too. Rockefeller learns the art of animal husbandry from them and is thought in the secrets of mysticism as well. They even show him how to ride on those horses he caught. After a short visit, the tribal villages mysteriously vanish and Rockefeller goes back the daily business routine. Soon after researching bronze-working, Workers start to chop down some forests and build a wooden replica of the Oracle of Delphi.

    To his surprise, the Oracle tells John how the cast metal. Surely that will be knowledge that he can cash in on some day. Since the tribes are gone there's some land to settle but before that happens one of the brave explorers, that Rockefeller had send out to explore the world in a tiny fishing boat finds a fellow capitalist. Darius I. had bought himself an entire country. The Holy Roman Empire. And what an empire it was. The biggest in the world as Rockefeller soon read in epos. Darius controlled a lot of land but his knowledge of the world was hardly greater than what the natives had possessed. And Rockefeller had no intention to change that. After founding the cities of New York and Boston, Rockefeller decided it was time for the next stage of his plan to buy the world. A gigantic bronze statue would be erected. It would hold a torch and stand in the entrance of the harbour to greet people from all over the world, and they would call it The Statue of Liberty. But a sloppy engineer lost the plans. And so they build something else and called it the Colossus of Rhodes.

    More and more money was flowing into his cash box and John developed a system of currency in order to keep check of it all. After settling Philadelphia and Chicago, Rockefeller was confronted with a problem. The land was getting sparse. Would he expand to Canada or go abroad? He decided to establish a fist settlement on a snaky little island to the west. It was named Atlanta. Right then he took another look a the Holy Roman Empire. Thinking it looks too nice to be ruled by a man not worthy trading with, Rockefeller decided to research Ironworking in hopes of finding a way to persuade Darius to sell his possessions at a fair price. The Oracle said this was the year 5 BC.




    And that's where we are right now. If I have Iron I will go for Maces and Trebuchets to take him out. I have not farmed any great persons so far because financial cottages are so strong. I'll start to do that soon to have some for bulbing education. Academy didn't seem that attractive as I will make money fairly evenly distributed over my cities using mostly water tiles. I kinda forgot about the destroy resources thing, I'll do that from now on. I have espionage on Darius and he wants to trade Monarchy. He must have met someone else through his borders. I want to met them too, so he has to make way :D

     

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  12. lymond

    lymond Rise Up! (Phoenix Style!) Hall of Fame Staff

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    Oracle>Currency
     
  13. TheMeInTeam

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    Tech trades are on. Shouldn't be hard to come up with some beakers w/o deficit through trade abuse.
     
  14. Mylene

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    Nice idea ;)

    There are several options for settling, but SIP would not be one of them for me.
    IND and losing as many hills as possible ~~ looks baaad.

    1N seems like the safe play, move onto marble the ambitious.
    1W looked decent at first glance, but i guess compared to 1N the fresh water and movement loss is struck out.
     
  15. The Oz-Man

    The Oz-Man Enter: The VAIKE!

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    See what the Warrior can show you to the west. I think 1W is best since it keeps the start coastal but adds the hill and the grasslands to the BFC while losing those ocean tiles. You'll likely be adding some plains, but you've got enough fish (and you start with Fishing) that you should have no problem with food.

    This should be fun. Probably a bit easier than the Huns, especially since you're playing as Huayna by all accounts except the civ.

    Longer term, a run at the Pyramids might be fun for some early-game US. Is that a dumb idea? In truth I've never tried it, but we're going to be rolling in cash, so it might be worth trying.
     
  16. shyuhe

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    You can use the extra cash to upgrade units. Or something... It'd be pretty entertaining if you set a goal to amass 10,000 gold before you leave for the stars or something.
     
  17. squall78

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    awesome premises. before warmongering i wanted to see how high i could get my commerce. subbed!
     
  18. Ungeziefer

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    You could consider adding two more rules:
    - You must be the first at Economics and Corporation
    And
    - You have to switch to free market as soon as you discover Economics/you found your 1st corp (the second option migh be better since everyone will be in Merc when you get Economics)
    Anyway looking foward to it!
     
  19. m00n

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    Spoiler :
    Unlikely with the given map. What happens if you don't? You lose? How lame. Besides, Rockefeller didn't invent Economics :p
    I've played on for a while but I'm not positive I can win. Maproll was really awfull. I'll post it later.
     
  20. madscientist

    madscientist RPC Supergenius

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    John D Rockefeller: Discovering the economic potential of his world

    A man like Rockefeller takes not time out for early descriptions of the land, he puts his head down and marches ahead. The warrios heads west to show



    "Settle here, the seafood is adequate enough to get us commerce".

    So the Americans eagerly settle in place to exploit all the seafood available as they began constructing fihing boats. Under John D's guidance mining and bronze working were research, production to balance out the intuitive knowledge of feeding themselves that America knows.

    The locals are dazzled by America and share much knowledge and wealth, including 151 gold, a map, and



    Not much axcitement occured except some slight irritation from John D as the Americans did not quite understand what a "Positive Gold Economy" meant, as they ran 90% science for several decades without accumulating gold. Rockefeller patiently explained this and the American coffers were rolling in cash.

    Soon Bronze Working was discovered



    Slavery was adopted,, the location of copper sources noted, and American began researching archery for better defenses. while things started out well, Rockefeller was greatly concerned when his scouting party reported their finding



    Not much useful land although some good commerce sources. No other major civilization found except for the locals giving tribute.

    Rockefeller was greatly concerned as America COULD be isolated, and major problem to his trade based ideas for a great empire.

    However, Rockefeller uses what he has. A valient warrior has become a level II woodsman and is bestowed with



    SO we have a wodsman with leadership! Now if we can get him to woodsman III.

    Given the land and neighbors Rockefeller proceeds to research Masonry followed by starting sailing.

    He stops to consider his next settlements, getting advice from his people



    As Washington builds the first worker.

    So that is where we saved folks.

    I think the Great LIgthhouse fits well here but so does making a run at the mystecism/polytheims/preisthood path for the Oracle (metal casting, currency?). We also need the wheel and pottery, and animal husbandry and writing.

    Also if we are in fact isolated I think keeping the empire small and productive in the SE corner essential to keep getting beakers.

    What do you think?
     

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