Role Play Challenge: FDR's Dream
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madscientist
RPC Supergenius
... I believe we are facing Darius I, not Cyrus?
You are correct. Not onl;y did I make a mistake, I convinced others of that mistake
Am I ready to deal with Tokugawa or what!Recap of segment 2 is coming, either late or early depending on your point of view.
madscientist
RPC Supergenius
FDR's Dream: Part II
Another pretty long segment here, as we essentially REXed, wondered, and built infrastructure. We essentially ignored Darius although we did make a late tech trade with him. No Toku yet, but...
First, GPs
We settled him. Infact we also settled another GM this segment as well as a Prophet. we also got a Great Scientist for an academy in Washington. I plan to run a wonderspamming/settled GP farm out of Washington, just as our Bismark game and classic OBSOLETE.
Another point is based on eps, Darius is in contact with someone else. Since we have not met that AI all segment, I am convinced it's gotta be Toku.
Techpath went: MAth/IW/Aesthetics/poly/lit/currency/CoL/calender/machinery/compass/optics and saved before we built any caravels for exploration.
After IW
we also popped one source in NY, plus have another on the eastern part of our island. No shortage here.
We then settled agressively, taking a decent if not spectacular city on Darius's island.
With no open borders this essentially blocks Darius from alot of islands that we also settled, if a bit slower than the Cathy game (REXing is not exactly FDR's game, he's more of a classic wonderspammer).
The next wonder, and one of the biggest for wonderspamming
We revolt to slavery and representation.
We start settling the eastern part of our island
Claiming the marble and extra iron with a city
Marble city is not great but with cheap lighthouses we got a decent fishing village there, and good production.
We also make good use of the whip for monuments, cheap lighthouses and will eventuanlly get courthouses.
Another wonder, for future health and population now, plus the GE points.
And fairly quickly.
With all that seafood and a quick NE we have a great GP famr in the capital!
One weak part of our game as alot of my early FDR games are, is lack of military. we relied only on axemen, but now starting to pump out crossbows from one city.
A few more cities on the east
I see at least 4 more cities coming fairly soon. Note we are trying for the horses, we shall see if we can nab them. It will be hard without openborders to Darius because of the difficulty roading it.
Darius finally techs alphabet
A little generous, but that's OK.
Once we teched optics and got the 1 space visibility we met.
And his location is
Meaning he's not who Darius is in contact with.
And a final view of those eastern islands.
Yes we have much more to settle. A wonderspamming capital is limiting out production somewhat, so we nneed to be patient expanding.
Techs
OK, competing with Hannibal, out-teching Darius, all with closed borders. Not bad
OK, I say we caravel away and find Toku. We also gotta find those religious leaders.
Another pretty long segment here, as we essentially REXed, wondered, and built infrastructure. We essentially ignored Darius although we did make a late tech trade with him. No Toku yet, but...
First, GPs
We settled him. Infact we also settled another GM this segment as well as a Prophet. we also got a Great Scientist for an academy in Washington. I plan to run a wonderspamming/settled GP farm out of Washington, just as our Bismark game and classic OBSOLETE.
Another point is based on eps, Darius is in contact with someone else. Since we have not met that AI all segment, I am convinced it's gotta be Toku.
Techpath went: MAth/IW/Aesthetics/poly/lit/currency/CoL/calender/machinery/compass/optics and saved before we built any caravels for exploration.
After IW
we also popped one source in NY, plus have another on the eastern part of our island. No shortage here.
We then settled agressively, taking a decent if not spectacular city on Darius's island.
With no open borders this essentially blocks Darius from alot of islands that we also settled, if a bit slower than the Cathy game (REXing is not exactly FDR's game, he's more of a classic wonderspammer).
The next wonder, and one of the biggest for wonderspamming
We revolt to slavery and representation.
We start settling the eastern part of our island
Claiming the marble and extra iron with a city
Marble city is not great but with cheap lighthouses we got a decent fishing village there, and good production.
We also make good use of the whip for monuments, cheap lighthouses and will eventuanlly get courthouses.
Another wonder, for future health and population now, plus the GE points.
And fairly quickly.
With all that seafood and a quick NE we have a great GP famr in the capital!
One weak part of our game as alot of my early FDR games are, is lack of military. we relied only on axemen, but now starting to pump out crossbows from one city.
A few more cities on the east
I see at least 4 more cities coming fairly soon. Note we are trying for the horses, we shall see if we can nab them. It will be hard without openborders to Darius because of the difficulty roading it.
Darius finally techs alphabet
A little generous, but that's OK.
Once we teched optics and got the 1 space visibility we met.
And his location is
Meaning he's not who Darius is in contact with.
And a final view of those eastern islands.
Yes we have much more to settle. A wonderspamming capital is limiting out production somewhat, so we nneed to be patient expanding.
Techs
OK, competing with Hannibal, out-teching Darius, all with closed borders. Not bad
OK, I say we caravel away and find Toku. We also gotta find those religious leaders.
IPEX-731BA5DD06
Deity
Mad, I just don't know how you do it, EVERY time I shadow your 'challanges' I get a completely different world/result.Needless to say, its different
Spoiler :
I thought, "this will just be for cash as well"..but no 580 BC....too slow on Libairies...it's going to cost me...Enough said, onwards with the challange, I really enjoy reading these, and shadowing when time allows
IPEX-731BA5DD06
Deity
THAT'S IT...............AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHI don't B E L I V E I T WTH???
Spoiler :
r_rolo1
King of myself
Not bad... those island cities are helping 
Some things:
Other thing: you have all the interest in the world in OBing with Hannibal. Make a city in the W tip of your islan ( 2 SW of the cooper ) and when the border pops you'll have access to the island from where Han comes
Some things:
When Atlanta gets it's next border pop, make a fort in the hill E of the horses ( suposedely already pastured and roaded ) and road it. No need to OB with Darius
Other thing: you have all the interest in the world in OBing with Hannibal. Make a city in the W tip of your islan ( 2 SW of the cooper ) and when the border pops you'll have access to the island from where Han comes
madscientist
RPC Supergenius
Not bad... those island cities are helping
Some things:
When Atlanta gets it's next border pop, make a fort in the hill E of the horses ( suposedely already pastured and roaded ) and road it. No need to OB with Darius
Other thing: you have all the interest in the world in OBing with Hannibal. Make a city in the W tip of your islan ( 2 SW of the cooper ) and when the border pops you'll have access to the island from where Han comes
Very good suggestions. I never though of the fort and building a road to the horses, nice!
I will hold off on Hannibal a bit longer, just to make sure Toku is not east of Dariur and west of hannibal, communicating with both. All the forign commerce means nothing here is we meet a Toku that's already ticked at us.
madscientist
RPC Supergenius
FDR's Dream: Part III
And what a dream game it is!
Rolling along at an amazing pace, and I find this game actually quite easy. One of the easier RPCs, but perhaps I should not speak so soon.
Techpath: CS/paper/education/Philosophy/liberalism/guilds/banking/ginpowder/military tradition/chemistry/ start printing press and save.
We start by finishing
In Washington. Better make sure we get the Taj. Washingtin is an amazing GP farm right now, and every GP has been settled in the capital with the exception of the first GS which built an academy.
We start exploring the great oceans and meet
Buddhist leader, OK for now.
And
The man of the hour! we traded him some weak tech for some cash getting him immediately to pleased and setting up
So much for having trouble getting Toku to open borders! took 1 turn!
I feel a little safer with Darius as Toku is on the other side of the world and they have not met.
Then we meet the Bald one
And the Hindu leader.
And here you can see Sharing Buddhism does not those two, plus everyone is essentially isolated.
OK, here is a view of Toku's lands
Lot's of close borders with Isabella to strain relations, good!
And even at pleased we can get some techs out of Toku
And Darius is turning into a decent friend right now.
We get to liberalism first
We opt for nationalism for first crack at the Taj.
Toke also requested paper which we gave him.
We adjusted civics
Darius also built the Schwan Papa (whatever it's called) so he is in his favroite civic FR. Getting really nice relation with him, let's hope toku likes him too. Also adopted Mercantilism as per RPC rules.
We then proceeded to trade guilds to toku for 70 gold and then gift banking. All an attempt to get Toku to friendly by adopting his favorite civic. Took a little persuasion.
We also got the random event giving us +3 health and a free scientist!
We then called up Isabella.
All to get Toku friendly, which he is still NOT, yet.
We then build the Taj, getting a 24 turn golden Age.
Then finally
Toku's at friendly which allows us to backfill techs with education (we already got to liberlaism and economics first).
At the end of the GA we built
Great, extra happiness!
We saved here
Diplomacy
Everyone met each other, Toke and Issy are still at it, therefore we are still at it with Issy.
I should thank Rolo for that horse trick. we pastuered the horses, built a fort next to them and then a road. Yep, instant horse access!.
Techs
Blowing the crown away. Only concern is that Churchhill and Hannibal can tech Astronomy, I certainly do NOT want to see any foreign troops right now.
And our cities
Our wonderspamming capital
But here is a question, what second national wonder (we have the NE here)? I am thinking NP again for a massive GP farm however, it is clearly the best science center and OXford makes sense. Still, beakers are not exactly a problem here.
Oh, sorry no maps but we essentially built cities on all our islands. No production (slavery rules here) but lot's of food and commerce.
Power shows we are doing well
OK, here's what I am thinking
1) Techpath: PP/SM/communism. We use the GSpy for another 24 turn golden age. Once we get communism we probably can get Toku into a Permanent Alliance if we are still mutually at war with Issablla. Otherwise we shall get a defensive pact.
2) DArius. Friendly and I think a very solid Allie. Once we get a Permanent Alliance with Toku, we can definitely nurture that friendship.
3) Isabella needs to die eventually, yeah we know.
4) Brennus, Churchill, and Hannibal. What do we do with them, and that likely determines tihe victory conditions. If we can stay peaceful then I say space or UN, otherwise we ar elooking at domination.
So what do you all think, pretty easy huh!
And what a dream game it is!
Rolling along at an amazing pace, and I find this game actually quite easy. One of the easier RPCs, but perhaps I should not speak so soon.
Techpath: CS/paper/education/Philosophy/liberalism/guilds/banking/ginpowder/military tradition/chemistry/ start printing press and save.
We start by finishing
In Washington. Better make sure we get the Taj. Washingtin is an amazing GP farm right now, and every GP has been settled in the capital with the exception of the first GS which built an academy.
We start exploring the great oceans and meet
Buddhist leader, OK for now.
And
The man of the hour! we traded him some weak tech for some cash getting him immediately to pleased and setting up
So much for having trouble getting Toku to open borders! took 1 turn!
I feel a little safer with Darius as Toku is on the other side of the world and they have not met.
Then we meet the Bald one
And the Hindu leader.
And here you can see Sharing Buddhism does not those two, plus everyone is essentially isolated.
OK, here is a view of Toku's lands
Lot's of close borders with Isabella to strain relations, good!
And even at pleased we can get some techs out of Toku
And Darius is turning into a decent friend right now.
We get to liberalism first
We opt for nationalism for first crack at the Taj.
Toke also requested paper which we gave him.
We adjusted civics
Darius also built the Schwan Papa (whatever it's called) so he is in his favroite civic FR. Getting really nice relation with him, let's hope toku likes him too. Also adopted Mercantilism as per RPC rules.
We then proceeded to trade guilds to toku for 70 gold and then gift banking. All an attempt to get Toku to friendly by adopting his favorite civic. Took a little persuasion.
We also got the random event giving us +3 health and a free scientist!
We then called up Isabella.
All to get Toku friendly, which he is still NOT, yet.
We then build the Taj, getting a 24 turn golden Age.
Then finally
Toku's at friendly which allows us to backfill techs with education (we already got to liberlaism and economics first).
At the end of the GA we built
Great, extra happiness!
We saved here
Diplomacy
Everyone met each other, Toke and Issy are still at it, therefore we are still at it with Issy.
I should thank Rolo for that horse trick. we pastuered the horses, built a fort next to them and then a road. Yep, instant horse access!.
Techs
Blowing the crown away. Only concern is that Churchhill and Hannibal can tech Astronomy, I certainly do NOT want to see any foreign troops right now.
And our cities
Our wonderspamming capital
But here is a question, what second national wonder (we have the NE here)? I am thinking NP again for a massive GP farm however, it is clearly the best science center and OXford makes sense. Still, beakers are not exactly a problem here.
Oh, sorry no maps but we essentially built cities on all our islands. No production (slavery rules here) but lot's of food and commerce.
Power shows we are doing well
OK, here's what I am thinking
1) Techpath: PP/SM/communism. We use the GSpy for another 24 turn golden age. Once we get communism we probably can get Toku into a Permanent Alliance if we are still mutually at war with Issablla. Otherwise we shall get a defensive pact.
2) DArius. Friendly and I think a very solid Allie. Once we get a Permanent Alliance with Toku, we can definitely nurture that friendship.
3) Isabella needs to die eventually, yeah we know.
4) Brennus, Churchill, and Hannibal. What do we do with them, and that likely determines tihe victory conditions. If we can stay peaceful then I say space or UN, otherwise we ar elooking at domination.
So what do you all think, pretty easy huh!
NintendoTogepi
Noble Pacifist
I'd try for Diplomatic this game, even fake diplomatic.
It would fit the mood of the game!
It would fit the mood of the game!
madscientist
RPC Supergenius
FDR's Dream: Part IV
The dream arrangement has occurred, and just a matter of how to bring this baby home.
Tecpath went: Scientific Method/Communism/astronomy/constitution/replaceable parts/rifling/democracy/physics/Steam Power
After SM we find
Oil, but in lousy locations. We ended up getting continental source eventually by a border pop.
And we get one of teh key techs here
Which led to
Mission accomplished, time to bring this game home.
We asked for enough gold to push the slider up to 90%.
We could have literally asked for 100 but we still want Toku to afford a VERY sizeable army.
This also led to
and finally
The free Great Spy which we use for a 24 turn Golden Age followed almost immediately by
Random event,
get 8 muskets and they can either be promoted to pinch or start a Musket Golden Age! We took the golden Age which stacks with the current one causing 44 turns of a GA. We also popped a Great Artists which we saved as the next GP is due before the end of the GA, so we started yet another one.
If you lost count, by the save we got
24 turn GA from the Taj
24 turn GA from the free GSpy
24 turn GA froim the musket random event
24 turm GA from the next 2 GPs
Total of 96 GA turns!!!!
OH, and Hannibal who has astronomy decided we were too tough to attack and went after Darius instead.
During the last GA we teched democracy and we adjusted our civics for the final time.
One question, We cannot build the SoL, I am guessing that's because Toku is currently building it?
We did get this wonder
We saved after Steam Power, a little undecided whether to pursue a space race path (How does this work with Toku, do we mutually build parts???) or an agressive path and just destroy who is in our way.
Power numbers
We like our new Ally!
Techs, just nuts!
And finally our world shot!
OK, I am considering this possibility.
Declare war on teh entire world (except Darius, we like Darius) and see if we can get a domination win WITHOUT ever fighting a battle!!!! Providing we keep all units for defensive work, I am pretty sure we get no war weariness!
What do you say, a peaceful domination win!!! Sick em' Toku!
The dream arrangement has occurred, and just a matter of how to bring this baby home.
Tecpath went: Scientific Method/Communism/astronomy/constitution/replaceable parts/rifling/democracy/physics/Steam Power
After SM we find
Oil, but in lousy locations. We ended up getting continental source eventually by a border pop.
And we get one of teh key techs here
Which led to
Mission accomplished, time to bring this game home.
We asked for enough gold to push the slider up to 90%.
We could have literally asked for 100 but we still want Toku to afford a VERY sizeable army.
This also led to
and finally
The free Great Spy which we use for a 24 turn Golden Age followed almost immediately by
Random event,
get 8 muskets and they can either be promoted to pinch or start a Musket Golden Age! We took the golden Age which stacks with the current one causing 44 turns of a GA. We also popped a Great Artists which we saved as the next GP is due before the end of the GA, so we started yet another one.
If you lost count, by the save we got
24 turn GA from the Taj
24 turn GA from the free GSpy
24 turn GA froim the musket random event
24 turm GA from the next 2 GPs
Total of 96 GA turns!!!!
OH, and Hannibal who has astronomy decided we were too tough to attack and went after Darius instead.
During the last GA we teched democracy and we adjusted our civics for the final time.
One question, We cannot build the SoL, I am guessing that's because Toku is currently building it?
We did get this wonder
We saved after Steam Power, a little undecided whether to pursue a space race path (How does this work with Toku, do we mutually build parts???) or an agressive path and just destroy who is in our way.
Power numbers
We like our new Ally!
Techs, just nuts!
And finally our world shot!
OK, I am considering this possibility.
Declare war on teh entire world (except Darius, we like Darius) and see if we can get a domination win WITHOUT ever fighting a battle!!!! Providing we keep all units for defensive work, I am pretty sure we get no war weariness!
What do you say, a peaceful domination win!!! Sick em' Toku!
IPEX-731BA5DD06
Deity
I swear.. and I certainly have, that I've got a DIFFERENT save for the start to your game.
Your making a mockery of the ease of this game.
Now you have TOKIE as your attack dog, you should unleash him, and go for domination. But as we know, the AI sucks at warfare, he'll declare, take a few cities, make peace etc etc.
Space seems the quickest way to win, or Diplomatic win, with Tokie and Darious you should have the numbers for a diplomatic victory.
But with a permament alliance, is this victory enabled, and if so, who would win.
Wouldn't you end up with Tokie as your opponent, in having the most land, and you build the U.N. which would destroy your Permanent alliance (if it can be broken), or would the 2/3 rd greatest land mass then become your opponent?
I still haven't advance my shadow game from 420 ad. I'll do so, just to see how different a world I end up with. Tokie at freindly, no Nukes, and smoke some more Po..errr.... sleep to gather further dreams..
Your making a mockery of the ease of this game.
Now you have TOKIE as your attack dog, you should unleash him, and go for domination. But as we know, the AI sucks at warfare, he'll declare, take a few cities, make peace etc etc.
Space seems the quickest way to win, or Diplomatic win, with Tokie and Darious you should have the numbers for a diplomatic victory.
But with a permament alliance, is this victory enabled, and if so, who would win.
Wouldn't you end up with Tokie as your opponent, in having the most land, and you build the U.N. which would destroy your Permanent alliance (if it can be broken), or would the 2/3 rd greatest land mass then become your opponent?
I still haven't advance my shadow game from 420 ad. I'll do so, just to see how different a world I end up with. Tokie at freindly, no Nukes, and smoke some more Po..errr.... sleep to gather further dreams..
NintendoTogepi
Noble Pacifist
Go for a Diplomatic win!
You did really good this game. FDR is one of the best leaders in the game.
You did really good this game. FDR is one of the best leaders in the game.
madscientist
RPC Supergenius
Regarding the UN diplo win, based on the Washington game essentially we are a team. There is no more Tokugawa and Roosevelt, there is Tokuvelt or Roosegawa depending on your preference. we have 25% of the population, Darius has less than 14% and is close to Hannibal. In fact I did not go the electricity route since Darius looked to be our competitor, at least before the Cartheginian/Persian war.
So I am thinking of declaring war and let Toku go enjoy himself while I tech him to tanks and try to build the spaceship myself. I went to all this effort to befriend him, the least I can do is let him take those CG I, Combat I, Drill I infantry and recklessly slaughter the rest of the world. Hey, that's what friends are for!
So I am thinking of declaring war and let Toku go enjoy himself while I tech him to tanks and try to build the spaceship myself. I went to all this effort to befriend him, the least I can do is let him take those CG I, Combat I, Drill I infantry and recklessly slaughter the rest of the world. Hey, that's what friends are for!
If you have a PA and don't want your teammate to build a wonder, the turn before the enabling tech is complete, ask him/her to research another tech. This gives you a one turn opportunity to sart it. You just need it in your building Queue to reserve it.
The same applies for techs rewarding you with a free tech or a free GP. just be sure you're the only one on your team currently researching that tech.
The same applies for techs rewarding you with a free tech or a free GP. just be sure you're the only one on your team currently researching that tech.
The pop-up text said "You have become too powerful for us."!!!! What? He would sign a DP, no problem. But would never sign a PA. I stopped teching, gave him all my techs, gifted him my entire offensive force, and, according to the Power graph, was now well below his power rating. I tried for another 30 turns, to see if time mattered. No PA. He stayed "Friendly" - thank goodness, now that he had tech parity and a heavily promoted offensive naval and land force, and I had none! My score was still much higher his - so maybe that was the problem. I even tried to liberate all my conquered holdings - creating 4 new colonies in the process, to the point I only had my orinal 4 cities on the starting landmass, but still no go. KrikkitTwo
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"too powerful" is based on power ratings
if YOU are top in power, the AI will not sign a PA with you
if THE AI is top in power, they will not sign a PA with you
so someone has to be more powerful than either of you
You can lower your power rating by disbanding units... you can't lower your friends power rating... but you could raise up a rival's power rating by gifting them units. (hopefully a rival that likes both you and your friend)
It's to keep the PA as sort of a balancing...#2+#3 can pair up but the 'big dog' goes it alone. (of course once #2+#3 pair up, the big dog isn't the biggest anymore)
if YOU are top in power, the AI will not sign a PA with you
if THE AI is top in power, they will not sign a PA with you
so someone has to be more powerful than either of you
You can lower your power rating by disbanding units... you can't lower your friends power rating... but you could raise up a rival's power rating by gifting them units. (hopefully a rival that likes both you and your friend)
It's to keep the PA as sort of a balancing...#2+#3 can pair up but the 'big dog' goes it alone. (of course once #2+#3 pair up, the big dog isn't the biggest anymore)
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