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Rome: Hardest UHV??

Discussion in 'Gameplay Guides' started by Gritzeldrei, Nov 19, 2020.

  1. Gritzeldrei

    Gritzeldrei Warlord

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    It is really odd to see that there is no UHV guide for Rome in 1.16. It's on of the most popular and important civilization in our history yet it seems like that it is nothing in DOC.

    Does anyone have a guide in completing the Roman UHV?
     
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  2. rmontaruli

    rmontaruli Prince

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    Rome does not require a strategic guide.
    You must go to build your empire and hope for china or so do not research any late techs before you.
    There is no strategy, just fun.
     
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  3. Louis the XIV

    Louis the XIV Sun King

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    Rome has the hardest UHV's in RFC and RFC DoC.
    I played over 20 games with Rome and won at the last moment in Dawn of Civilization.
    The way I won is not really strategic but I'm just going to say how I did it, maybe it helps.
    I got VERY VERY VERY lucky because Greece had a city where Pompeii should be and when it revolted and joined my empire the Greeks declared war on me and I received 4 more legions. That gave me the possibility to just build barracks, forums etc... in all my cities.
    While my cities where building I took some cities from the Celts in France and defended my borders heroically!
    I lost 2 Legions until 350 - 400 BC. Then I started building Ballista's so I could make some collateral damage to the elephants in Carthage.
    I debarked 4 Legions and 2 Ballistas with another Ballista waiting in Pompeii. I took all of North Africa by 300 BC.
    Then I don't remember exactly what happened but I do know that Carthage was extremely productive and built a lot of barrakcs, forums, colosseums etc...
    The Greeks had some huge armies around the Middle East but my ballistas made their job as collateral damage.
    I took Egypt but only AND ONLY 2 cities like the UHV required. I didn't declare war on Egypt. I took the cities from the Greeks and the Egyptians where very friendly with me.
    I gave away the 3rd city I got from the Greeks in Egypt because I was losing too much money per turn and research.
    I forgot to mention that you should try to go for currency first and then the Engineering and then the other techs.
    If I remember correctly Greece was the last I conquered and Asia Minor was already very weak so it was easy.
    The Byzantines spawned and I gave them all my cities in Asia Minor, Greece, and Egypt. I still needed ONE more Colosseum!!!!
    In 1 turn I would lose if I didn't finish the Colosseum in Carthage which would take 2 more turns! I was very frustrated and I didn't have slvary or citizenship running.
    Luckily a Great Engineer spawned in Carthage because I had like 3 wonders in Carthage and one of them gave me Great Engineer points.
    I used the great Engineer to finish the Colosseum and then I won!
    Game Settings:
    -Regent difficulty
    -Normal speed

    So if you read this you learned that luck had a LOT to do with me winning.
     
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  4. LukeAtmey

    LukeAtmey Chieftain

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    Do you guys reckon it's a good idea to take out Greece first to prevent their conqueror events? Or do you think they just make conquering the UHV areas easier as they might collapse civs like Egypt etc.? Also, at what point do you think one should settle Hispania and with which cities?
     
  5. rmontaruli

    rmontaruli Prince

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    When i play with Romans, i first eliminate Carthaginians, then get those gaul cities in France, and then move to the east to conquest the rest of the world. Spain is the last thing i do, ulness Phoenicians succeded in settling in Spain, in that case i take that city before going to the east.
    If Greece gets its conqueror events, it will collapse later, making easier my conquest, so let it expand.

    The harder goal of roman UHV is that one related to techs, which is totally luck-dependent, so don't mind it.
    Concentrate in building your empire, and one game every ten, you'll win a UHV.
     
  6. Louis the XIV

    Louis the XIV Sun King

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    I usually let Greece get their conquerors, that will just make it easier for you. The only problem is that they usually have a pretty big stack in Egypt so build a lot of Ballistas to make collateral damage.
     
  7. borhap88

    borhap88 Prince

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    Found Rome, Pompei and Aemona Julia (in the Balkans, BUT in your own core and with access to copper - if another Greek city has covered the copper tile yet, attack it at start and raze it, so they'll come easily to you begging for peace, same thing if there's Messana). Wait two turns to accept Mailand from Gauls (do not invade their territory before).
    From now, just build up your empire until the discovery of Law, which will allow you to switch to Citizenship. Rome will be your first-buidling city, let other cities produce workers first; Roman UP is wonderful, you'll have a 30% discount on every building previously created in Rome. I decided to build Granary, Olympian Temple, Barracks, then Library. After the discovery of Law, search/obtain by exchange with other civs (preferably the ones you're gonna destroy later) Currency (build Forums, switch to Merchant Trade, so your finances will be safe) and Engineering (build Arena, then Flavian Amphitheatre in Rome - other wonders are unnecessary, let other civs build them up, so you'll get them later). Now you can go for Generalship and switch to Conquest.
    Now you are ready to build up your army, probably after 100 AD, so past the deadline for 1st UHV

    Before, you don't have to attack anyone but Gauls. I suggest to take over Lugdunum and Burdigala right after their spawn. They will give you two barracks needed to reach 1st UHV and maybe acqueduct or arena in place of poorly productive Pompei thanks to their close forests ready to be chopped. Gauls units are weaker than Barbarians, so with some tactical tips you'll be able to overcome them with few Legions. About that, my suggestions are:
    - Build (just Roman) roads everywhere. You'll be able to move fast from a tile to another.
    - Promote Legions to Woodsman and Shock. With a couple of Legions with these promotions in the right forest tile, you can defeat every kind of four-barbarian stack.
    - Chop the forest in the first ring around (almost) every city. They'll just provide a safe spot for the enemy, not for your units.
    - Use one Archer per city.
    - Do not use any units but Legion outside the town.
    - Send a galley with an archer in Iberia, then Britannia, Ireland, Scandinavia and Jutland to the huts; they could give us some money, but disband any other units received.

    As I said, you don't have to produce any military unit until 100 AD. You can create some units only during the interval between the production of biuldings needed to reach 1st UHV: they'll be enough to face barbarians. From 100 AD, you'll have to invade your neighbours; before, you can keep them pleased with open borders (do not open to Persian or any other eastern civs with some non-pagan religion, because you don't want their gods make useless your temples or keep you away from wonderful Flavian Amphitheatre).
    I built 4 ballistas, 6 or more legions, 6 galleys and 6 war galleys (Mare Nostrum is the way). I went to Carhago (an additional Spearman could be useful against their Elephants and, later, for barbarian camels raids), I razed the city in Lybia and keep, if present, the city in Algeria. If you are lucky, you'll find a city of them in Iberia too, usually weakly defended: take it with some units from Gaul.
    Then continue to produce some additional ballistas from the magic triangle Rome-Mailand-Aemona Julia and go right to Athens. Taking their capitol will give you a powerhouse, probably full of wonders too. If there is Sparta, keep it only if it provide you some wonder; on the contrary, raze it. Take another two cities between Greece and Anatholia (I usually found Byzantion and Ankyra), then stop. You don't need to go further to the East, but, with some of your units left in Northern Africa and some additional ones produced by handsome Carthago, go to Egypt. If Alexander was The Great, you'll find a bunch of Greek cities or, if you've taken Athens already, maybe a bunch of weak indie cities; on the contrary, you'll have to face Cleopatra, your last enemy. The time is running out, so go ahead to Diospolis Magna and their Pyramids, then get another little town around there.
    In the meantime, you'll have to produce only 3-4 settlers. This will be a task for Burdigala, Lugdunum and, if necessary, Pompei, after 100 AD. When you'll take control over the Mediterranean Sea, send an escorted galley to Burdigala (it will take some time) in order to transport a settler to Britannia; the other ones will settle Lutetia Parisorum and 1-2 cities in Spain just in time with the deadline of 320 AD, we don't want to keep them for a long time.
    Congratulations: a very useful 2 out of 3 UHVs golden age will save you from the abyss of a terrible stability crisis and push you to the 3rd UHV.

    After Law and Generalship, you just have to aim to every single tech required. You could set some GP production from the start in order to exploit some tech; I was given a great artist (100% of chance) and a great engineer (mixed chance), so I used them to discover 4 techs. Of course, you'll have to be lucky; China or India could preempt you, sometimes Persia too, so I suggest to not exchange any tech with them if you see, in the diplomatic window, that they are too much ahead.
    I succeded in 336, then my empire was split in two.
     
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  8. rmontaruli

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    I don't know... your strategy seems too optimistic... Aemona Julia on plans, delay conquest of Carthago, delay early training of legions...

    I prefere to build Aemona Julia one tile north: not yet in Balkans, still in core but when fortifed, it blocks any barbarian invasion from the east.
    Barbarian axes come since first turns, from the east and from the west, and i like to have a stack of 4 legions in the east and in the west of Italy.
    Also i like to get Carthago ASAP, and use it to build some of the UHV1 buildings.

    Anyway i never need ballistas: legions are strong enough, and ballistas are longer to train and longer to heal after a combat, and often one has no time to bombard.
     
  9. borhap88

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    I prefer Aemona Julia in that spot because:
    - you can have access to copper immediately;
    - I never let barbarians attack Aemona Julia, so I don't need to build it on a hill (it occurred maybe two times, but just by horse archers, that are not a real threat in city attack);
    - in the first ring around the city you have just 1-2 hills and plains with forests: as I said, chop them, fortify a legion on the hill, then the others in the forest in the second ring, but let the plains in the 1st ring uncovered by forest, so you can attack every barbarian unit entering your first ring without any defence bonus from terrain;
    - I usually bulid a Roman road that connects Aemona Julia and Lugdunum beyond the Alps; it grants you to move fast your legions between east and west.

    After the conquest of Gaul:
    - build a fort in the hill+forest in the Basque tile;
    - chop every forest around Lugdunum and attack every barbarian coming from Iberia;
    - rivers will provide some great defensive bonus in Gaul and, when you'll have to face barbarians, you'll already have well experienced troops (none of my legions had city-attack promotion until 2th century).

    Of course, legions should be properly upgraded. I remember that I used stacks of 2 units, one defensive (forest/hill promoted) + one offensive (shock promoted) and move them fast to surround barbarians. Ballistas are the 2nd UU for a purpose; I would have never had chance to make my conquest in Africa, Egypt, Greece and Anatolia in 150 years without them (bombard city promoted), because I would have waited for my legions to heal for too long.
    Keeping Hannibal alive will provide you a good partner for tech exchange.

    P.S. I always play Marathon games.
     
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