Rush Limbaugh, Operation Chaos and PA..

[nihilistic]

nihilistic,

When did Republicans vote Obama so Clinton would lose?

Cleo

When she was the front runner of course.

Go google up those February news archives and polls on all those solid republican state democratic primaries on republican votes in democratic candidates and their reasonings for them.

 

[h4ppy]

Daily Kos was encouraging Dems to crossover and vote a certain way in Michigan to keep the Republican race mangled. It's not a very pretty tactic, but it's within the rules. Dittoheads crossing over are risking a Clinton Presidency, so I have no problem with it. I don't think Rush has as much influence as some people give him credit for. Same goes for Kos.

Yeah, if you think I listen to or care about what Rush says you are wrong, I came up with my plan before he came out.

 

[FriendlyFire]

Damn it, if this stunt gets Clinton into the White House I can't be responsible for my own actions!

That would be ironic

 

[Elrohir]

Daily Kos was encouraging Dems to crossover and vote a certain way in Michigan to keep the Republican race mangled. It's not a very pretty tactic, but it's within the rules. Dittoheads crossing over are risking a Clinton Presidency, so I have no problem with it. I don't think Rush has as much influence as some people give him credit for. Same goes for Kos.

Considering the prospect of an Obama presidency, neither do I - and I think that's what is motivating Rush Limbaugh as well. Not only does McCain have a better chance of beating Clinton, but if he loses it's at least not quite as bad.

 

[amadeus]

Y'know, in countries like Canada, a stunt like that would be illegal and Rush would be up on charges. It would be called election fraud.

In some parts of the U.S., it's legal to vote in primaries for parties you aren't registered for. Seems democratic enough to me...

Haven't had to do this for a while...

But in America, the elections are half fraudulent anyway. So I guess its fine.

 

[JerichoHill]

While technically legal, it is wholly against the spirit of law and democracy.

I used to respect Rush back in the 90s. I do not respect this

 

[JollyRoger]

Considering the prospect of an Obama presidency, neither do I - and I think that's what is motivating Rush Limbaugh as well. Not only does McCain have a better chance of beating Clinton, but if he loses it's at least not quite as bad.

Rush would prefer Clinton to Obama because it will be easier for him to bash her without getting into a situation that cost him his Monday Night Football gig.

 

[Elrohir]

Rush would prefer Clinton to Obama because it will be easier for him to bash her without getting into a situation that cost him his Monday Night Football gig.

I imagine there's a variety of reasons. I'm sure that - or some version of that, anyway - is one of them.

 

[Bestbank Tiger]

Dittoheads crossing over are risking a Clinton Presidency

That's why I have a problem with that motivation. Those people are willing to risk harming America just to help their "team" win, and that's disgraceful and unpatriotic.

If they just want to have a say in who the choices are in November, and are doing it to vote for the candidate they feel would be a better President, I'm all for it.

 

[JollyRoger]

I imagine there's a variety of reasons. I'm sure that - or some version of that, anyway - is one of them.

Well, bashing Clinton would probably be a lot more fun and profitable for him than bashing Obama. Policy-wise, I don't think that either is more preferable than the other one for him. I haven't checked either's health-care proposal for loopholes favorable to prescription drug addicts or either's policies regarding sex tourism consequences.

 

[The Yankee]

It's a sad and pathetic tactic, by either party.

I agree. And although Limbaugh has a large audience, I don't think those that would bother to go through with the re-registering and voting are in a great enough number to have an impact. Democratic voters are fairly split as it is and the campaigns are doing a good enough job fighting each other without Republican aid.

As usual, just wait long enough and the Democratic candidates will start shooting themselves.

It is terribly dirty politics regardless of which party benefits/supports it. It is the reason I think primaries should be abandoned in favor of closed caucuses allowing ONLY card-carrying and dues paying party members.

It'd likely hand the party over to ultra partisans, which wouldn't be a good thing, in my view. But on the other hand, maybe it'll convince large numbers of people to make an effort for another party. Although, if you're going to take it that far, might as well go all the way and go back to earlier in the last century where primaries were mere showcases and party officials made the deals to select a candidate. We may be better off....

 

[Oerdin]

I think that only a few thousand ultra partisan hacks will bother. Net effect wll be almost nothing, it didn't matter when the Dems did it and it won't matter when the Republicans do it.

Yep, it's all just the cackling of an idiot and the Democratic Party never said a thing about supporting Romney. That is just projection on the part of right wing hacks.

 

[nc-1701]

Yep, it's all just the cackling of an idiot and the Democratic Party never said a thing about supporting Romney. That is just projection on the part of right wing hacks.

I'm not sure if your being serious or not, if you are then sorry...

Seriously dude, voter apathy is huge in America, it's one thing for people to go vote in their primary, but how many people do you think will go and change their party registration so they can vote in a different primary considering that both the effect and ethical standards of such a move are dubious at best?

I can't see very many people (Liberal or Conservative) even bothering to do that... So even if Rush sends a few thousand ultra partisans to vote for Clinton, or the Dems got a few thousend of theirs to vote for Romney, the net effect in my opinion is negligeble at best.

 

[The Yankee]

I only seem to remember talk of temporarily defecting to the Republicans coming from Michigan because the Democrats would get no delegates and had to choose between Clinton and Kucinich. Everywhere else, most Democrats seemed concerned with their own contests. So were the Republicans, until McCain became the presumptive nominee.

 

[MobBoss]

I have registered Democrat solely to vote for Mrs. Clinton in the primaries. Laugh if you want but there are many like me and we will make at least some difference in this nation of ours.

Go project Chaos!

Clinton supporters are actually a rarity on the internet. So I will stare and poke at you like some curious zoo specimen.

I cant believe you didnt catch what he was saying. He isnt a Clinton supporter, he is a chaos sower!

Perhaps we should stare and poke at you for not making the connection - especially in this thread...

Dittoheads crossing over are risking a Clinton Presidency, so I have no problem with it.

Rofl. Yeah, there is the risk of that...

Granted its not much of a risk, but theres still a risk.

 

[Ayatollah So]

Or is it simply extremely smart politics?

Nope, I doubt it.

Think back to Gore's battle for a recount in Florida. He decides to ask for a recount of just those counties that were likely to go his way, instead of a thorough recount. Of course he lost in the Supreme Court anyway, but what if the Court had left the decision to the state courts? Would Gore's cagey politics have won the day? Nope - the Miami Herald (I think it was) did the research and found he would have lost anyway.

But, if he had done the right thing and asked for a full recount, and the state courts had granted that petition as they did the narrower one, and if the US Supremes had stood aside, Gore would have won.

OK now, fast forward to the present. Hillary, as we all know and hate, is the uber-triangulator. She has done her best to position herself where she thinks the majority of Americans want to go. And the people's reaction? They see her finger in the wind and don't like it one bit, and now Obama is riding high.

Could Rush's shenanigans backfire on the dittoheads? If enough of them join in to matter at all, I think it very well could.

Moral of the story: when the right thing is really obvious, you might as well do it. Anything else is likely to just be outsmarting yourself.

I heard a news blurb on Fri. regarding the large number of Gop'ers switching registrations to DEM to vote in the Pennyslvania primary. Some pundits felt it was Operation Chaos while others thought it was Obama's mystical charm.

Both wrong, I think. Instead, it's the charm of casting a vote that will actually make a difference, instead of voting in an already-decided primary.

 

[MobBoss]

But, if he had done the right thing and asked for a full recount, and the state courts had granted that petition as they did the narrower one, and if the US Supremes had stood aside, Gore would have won.

You sir, are dreaming.

The only right thing he should have done was honored his phone call to Bush when he congratulated him on his victory earlier in that night.

OK now, fast forward to the present. Hillary, as we all know and hate, is the uber-triangulator. She has done her best to position herself where she thinks the majority of Americans want to go. And the people's reaction? They see her finger in the wind and don't like it one bit, and now Obama is riding high.

If he truly were riding high, we wouldnt be discussing this. He would be the nominee.

Could Rush's shenanigans backfire on the dittoheads? If enough of them join in to matter at all, I think it very well could.

How? All the dittoheads are going to vote Hillary come the general election? Are you nuts?

 

[JollyRoger]

How? All the dittoheads are going to vote Hillary come the general election? Are you nuts?

If Rush is still playing games they might. He has made no secret about his dislike of McCain. Maybe he can convince them that 4 years of Hillary is the price to pay to get a real conservative for 2012. Of course it's going to be Obama vs. McCain instead of Hillary vs. McCain, so the sell might be a little easier for Rush.

Anyway, since McCain is the nominee instead of one of the conservatives that ran on the GOP side, it shows that the dittohead vote of 2008 can't even determine a Republican race, much less a Democratic one or a general election.

 

[FriendlyFire]

You sir, are dreaming.
How? All the dittoheads are going to vote Hillary come the general election? Are you nuts?

Cause Rush and Coulter are going to campaign for Hilary

 

[The Yankee]

Coulter said she'd campaign for Hillary, but I doubt anyone would take that seriously. I doubt she would even take it seriously.

Part of the circus that can be this league fo political commentary. It's a wacky world out there!