Russia Gate

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  1. Berzerker

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    This thread is looong overdue... But with the Durham Report coming this summer hopefully, the its about to hit the fan. The House of Cards is wobbling and here's one of the pillars falling before our eyes.

    Remember Crowdstrike? They told us Russian hackers stole DNC emails and sent them to Wikileaks. Well, maybe not...



    They're not so sure says the owner. They think it happened, but they dont actually have the evidence to prove it. Feel free to post evidence pro and con on the wide ranging subject of Russia/Ukraine/Obama Gate. Oh, didn't know about Obama Gate?

    Well, apparently Obama knew about the FBI effort to create a crime by investigating Flynn for asking the Russian ambassador to not retaliate for last minute sanctions from the outgoing Obama administration. They apparently interviewed him hoping he'd commit a crime instead of investigating one.
     
  2. Old Hippy

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    just a comment
    I don't think Durham will be delivering a report... he has a long history of bringing indictments not of playing about with bureaucratic reports
    #Obamagate
     
  3. FriendlyFire

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    Benghazi, BENGHAZI !!!!!!!!!!
    Yes the FBI helped Trump win the election against Hillary but also planned an overthrow of Trump

     
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    The only crime in ObamaGate was democratic opposition researchers being allowed to search NSA government databases for info on Team Trump.

    That was how the Cohen in Prague nonsense made it into the Steele dossier.

    Impossible-to-know information that was correct, but it was a different Michael Cohen, not Trump's lawyer.


    I hope this whole Russia collusion fantasy will make Republicans realize how damaging lies meant to undermine a presidency can be.

    Obama being a muslim, foreigner, birth certificate etc. bullfeathers was the genesis of all of this, and Trump deserved every ounce of it he got all 3 years.


    Please keep in mind everything about all this stuff was known years ago, and it is only coming out now because it is an election year.
    Just like Hillary's emails. Theater for the masses.
    Let me guess, the ObamaGate report is going to come out in **checks calendar** late summer?
     
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  6. Berzerker

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    Russia made us do it



    Chris Hayes blames Russia for the 3 years he and MSNBC spent lying to the country about Trump
     
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  7. Berzerker

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    The FBI (Comey) announced a reopening of the email scandal because more were found on Wiener's computer and that information was going to be leaked, so Comey not only got out in front of the leak, he announced before the election the new emails didn't show anything and he cleared Clinton. Whats interesting about that is FBI personnel said they didn't have enough time to go thru the emails before the election but Comey still cleared Clinton. Maybe they put in over time to help her...

    From your article

    I guess his followers didn't pay any attention to the more than a year long conspiracy theory, but doesn't the recent documents about the FBI going after Flynn show it was a conspiracy? Hey, didn't the FBI frame Carter Page several months earlier when they lied to a Fisa court about him?

    It remains to be seen what roles Obama and Biden played and I'm surprised John Brennan wasn't mentioned, but the narrative is not unproven - the Steele Dossier followed by the acquisition of Fisa warrants to spy on Trump was the embodiment of that plan.

    Imagine that, one day after Obama condemns dropping charges against Flynn Trump criticizes him for what happened under his watch. Must be Trump trying to distract from the virus.



    Chuck Todd lies on Meet the Press about Barr... Trump cant complain, he'll be distracting from the virus.

    Here's a longer segment about Crowdstrike's lack of evidence Russians stole DNC emails



    "No evidence that they (DNC emails) were actually exfiltrated" (ie stolen by Russia) - Shawn Henry, owner of Crowdstrike
     
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    I feel Russia's image in US media is an entity reserved for internal use, which lives its own life and almost unaffected by real Russia as a country.
    Textbook villains and troublemakers!
     
  9. Berzerker

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    What is all the hoopla about "unmasking" Trump's people by Obama's?
     
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    Berzerker could you sum up Russiagate for me? You’re good at compressions and even if I don’t always agree your compressions help me.
     
  11. FriendlyFire

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    Help her lose, meanwhile the FBI kept very quiet about the FBI investigation into Trump himself
    Even while, the media was unearth damaging information on Trump university, Trump charity stealing from kids with cancer, Trump using Charity money for himself, but Benghazi though FBI had to make a public announcement to congress

    We at the point where Libertarian Alan dershowitz is arguing that Trump can give Alaska back to the Russians. The mental gymnastic it takes to come out and say that Obamagate is real is amazing to behold.
     
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  12. Berzerker

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    Back in 2015-16 the Clinton campaign began smearing opponents as Russian stooges, probably because the Uranium One deal and foreign money pouring into the Clinton Foundation and pockets of friends and political allies made Bill and Hillary look corrupt. So she projected her weakness onto opponents, Jill Stein, Bernie and Trump became Putin's puppets when in fact she had more connections to Russia.

    In their effort to link Trump to Russia for the general election the DNC and Clinton campaign paid foreigners, including Russians, for dirt on Trump. Much of it was Russian disinformation or fabricated by Christopher Steele and then sent to media and the FBI before the election to bring Trump down. Clinton was buying Russian disinformation about Trump and feeding it to the FBI while complaining Russia helped Trump by exposing DNC emails.

    Clinton allies in the Obama administration and DoJ/FBI took the "Steele Dossier" to a Fisa court to get a warrant to spy on Carter Page, a foreign policy volunteer advising Trump. That allowed Obama's people to spy on the Trump campaign before the election and continue doing so months into Trump's 1st term. The FBI continued lying to the Fisa court about Carter Page to renew the warrant 3 times. So thats the main aspect of Russia Gate - creating the appearance of 'collusion' between Trump and Putin to spy on the Trump campaign.

    During the transition period Obama hit Russia with sanctions for allegedly interfering in our election. The DNC claimed Russians hacked their emails and sent them to Wikileaks, the emails showed the Clinton campaign and DNC conspiring against Bernie - rigging the election. The Inspector General's report showed they tried to rig the general election too.

    According to Julian Assange the emails didn't come from the Russians, maybe they came from a Democrat who didn't like how the DNC and Clinton screwed Bernie. Either way, the DNC/Clinton campaign changed the story from their corruption to "Russia Loves Trump" and their media outlets polluted the country with Russia Gate lies for 3 years.

    Back to the sanctions, Flynn told the Russian ambassador not to retaliate, the incoming Trump administration would revisit those sanctions. The FBI was spying on either Flynn or the ambassador and knew what they talked about, so they tried to get Flynn to lie. Comey sent 2 agents to interview him, get him on the record about the call.

    I dont know if he lied, he plead guilty though. Probably because he was going bankrupt or to protect his son who apparently did something the FBI could get him on. He tried to withdraw the guilty plea as documents from the FBI show they were trying to entrap him.

    Ukraine Gate is related to Russia Gate, the Ukrainians wanted Hillary to win because Trump was seeking a friendlier relationship with Russia, probably due to the coming trade war with China. So Ukrainians exposed Paul Manafort hurting Trump in the summer of '16.

    At the time Biden was in charge of US policy and his kid was making millions from Burisma. Trump wanted the new Ukrainian President to investigate that relationship. Trump used aid as leverage to coerce Ukrainian cooperation and the Democrats impeached him. Before that circus the Dems had been pressuring Ukraine to help them investigate Trump.
     
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    In my experience as a lawyer rich white male defendant with top notch government connections, pleading guilty to things you didn't do is a pretty smart call because you can't afford good legal representation or rely on the good old boys club to get you out of trouble.

    can't be exposed if you don't do anything wrong :think:
     
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  15. Berzerker

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    The FBI was asked by the Inspector (or was it solicitor) General to investigate Clinton's emails and server arrangement. That investigation was public. The FBI closed the investigation but they found more emails on Wiener's computer. Somebody - and Rudy Giuliani was apparently privy to this - was gonna leak that the FBI found more emails and had reopened the investigation.

    Thats why Comey announced it publicly, he had to or look like he was covering up for Hillary. But he also announced a few days before the election the FBI didn't find anything and he cleared Hillary a 2nd time. I was under the impression the FBI didn't have enough time to go thru all the emails before the election so it remains to be seen if Comey cleared her before the FBI had investigated the new batch of emails.

    As for the FBI keeping quiet... Steele chose Carter Page to smear, the guy was clean. The FBI spied on him and got nothing. They expanded their spying to other Trump people and got nothing. What were they supposed to announce? Hey folks, we've been spying on Trump and cant nail him with anything. The Mueller Report cleared Trump of conspiracy.
     
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    Who is "Individual #1"?
     
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    since when did wiki become a more reliable source than the WSJ and under oath testimonies from US inteligence agenies before congress saying they had no proof of Russian collusion with the Trump campaign
    if you can google wiki... I'm sure you can find the 53 Transcripts finally released this past week showing Obama official after official Stating under OATH that they had no evidence before going out and saying on the main stream media and lying that they had seen overwhealming proof to the contrary of their commitee testimonies
     
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    An opposing viewpoint.
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...ed-russia-evidence-ex-nsc-chief-of-staff-says

    Will see if the Durham investigation provides any evidence by summer's end.
     
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    Thats true, but Manafort was brought down by the 'black ledger', a document purporting to show cash payments to Manafort. But he said the money he got was not in cash, so who knows if that was forged. The point is Ukraine interfered in our election to help Clinton and Trump wanted that exposed along with any corrupt relationship Biden had with Clinton allies in the country.

    As for Flynn's connections, why did the Obama administration go after him? Obviously he wasn't being protected by his connections and had to sell his house to pay for that representation... They knew what he talked about with Kislyak, if he committed a crime why interview him? They wanted him to commit a crime... during the interview. Plenty of people in this country will plead guilty to avoid years of legal harassment and bankruptcy. I'd still like to see what exactly Flynn lied about and what the FBI had on his son.
     
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    As for Flynn I would say if you look at what is happening now he was always well connected
    As all the Durham investigations go back to the Russian Collusion hoax and Flynns case is instremental in the realeasing of all the documents that go back to the Obama mafia
    I would say that day Comey ''sent a couple of guys over to just talk to Flynn'' he took one for the team because the dates of yesterdays 'unmasking' documents reveal just how far back the obama administration started their leaking to the media campaign.
     

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