I don't have any influence on what either Russia or Ukraine does in this war. Your post seemed like it was edited to be pro Russia and create the image that Ukraine was attacking the EU by cutting off Russian gas. As it turns out, there was, in the same article, a Ukrainian side that, if true, said they cut the gas off because the infrastructure was at risk from Russian troops.
There is more than one scenario regarding Russian gas and its infrastructure in Ukraine. Russia has shown that it it is more than willing to destroy infrastructure useful to the Ukraine now or in the future, including roads, bridges, housing, airports, industry, etc. Cutting off gas to Europe now, by any means, may hurt Russian cash flow now, but if it pisses off the EU and punishes them now, Russia might well go for that. EU support for Ukraine is vital to Zelekovsky's success.
(sorry, trying to be cute there, no bad intention)
You made it sounds like it's an unreasonable thing to do for a country that's being invadedLet's not forget that Russia isn't the one stopping the (constant) supply of gas to the Eu. Ukraine is.
Anyway, Zelekovsky, as you said
You can be sure that if Russia comes up to with a new propaganda topic Kyriakos will spread it. He is even going to imply it’s as logical as it can get.
If matters like Brexit, Trump, COVID, and Ukraine taught us anything, it's that tribal allegiance is an overriding factor for many on deciding what's right or wrong.
Want to bet that the disinformation machines here will manage to turn around the narrative over the next couple of weeks from a "Russia is losing, its army is about to collapse" to an "we will prevent Putin from annexing more than half of Ukraine"?
They will also not bother justifying all the weapons dumping, pressing the ukranians to fight to the last ukranian, talking about bleeding Russia for years, etc. All will be memory holed and the resident chickenhawhs here will pretend they never believed any of it.
Then the narrative will be shifted again to "Ukraine is so wrecked that Russia should have it all, hey look they're taking it all over, that's what we really wanted all along. See the stupid russians are falling into our trap, we're geniuses".
Next year: "By the way, please please take back these 10 million refuges because our population is lacking housing and food, and protesting that we're giving both to foreigners instead".
Pathetic. Out warmongering idiots did all they could to set up a war, failed to actually prepare to win the war they succeeded in bringing about (there was never any interest in fighting, it was stupid), pressed the ukranian government to refuse to negotiate early and cut losses, and will finally dump Ukraine like a spent broken toy.
I will be crystal clear: Ukraine is already utterly defeated. There is no way it can win, it will run out of soldiers way before Russia could - and still Russia isn't even bothering to mobilize. While Ukraine mobilized everyone who couldn't bribe their way out of being recruited. Lots of people keep people dying uselessly because peace negotiations have been repeatedly torpedoed. Heads of state that have no real commitment to the war keep making processions to tell the ukranian government to drag it on, act like Hitler ordering its generals to stay put in face of overwhelming odds. But reassure them that unlike Hitler a path will be provided for safe exit. I wouldn't trust that promise but Zelensky isn't a bright one.
On gas: there are still no gas cuts. The other pipeline is taking the flows, as arranged between Gazprom and ukranian authorities.
Does no one here think it odd that gas keeps being pumped into Ukraine even though officially there's a state of all-out war going on? That both belligerents cooperate to maintain that gas flowing? Can you imagine Hitler and Stalin doing something like that after Barbarrossa began?
No.
That tells you everything you need to know about what this war is about, how much the stakeholders, inside and outside Ukraine, are invested on it, and the long-term prospects for its resolution.
The americans fume at the situation on the ground but dare not intervene because an outright defeat would instantly crumble their influence worldwide. The US cannot win a conventional limited war against Russia in eastern Ukraine. It might in western Ukraine, but that explains the whole russian strategy. Ukraine as a state, all its military strength holding it together still, will be destroyed in the east.
The europeans don't really want to defeat, let alone destroy, Russia. They're not really in it, just fell they have to go along with american pressure to use Ukraine to "weaken Russia".
The ukranian government wants to keep the money falling into bank accounts. Thew dreadful "war criminal monsters" money, with whom they happily continue to do business.
The russians know a puppet show for what it is and play along.
And the cannon fodder die while their betters pose for photo-ops. War as usual. Let's all in in CFC cheer for and encourage more war. Years of war. Yay.
Want to bet that the disinformation machines here will manage to turn around the narrative over the next couple of weeks from a "Russia is losing, its army is about to collapse" to an "we will prevent Putin from annexing more than half of Ukraine"?
They will also not bother justifying all the weapons dumping, pressing the ukranians to fight to the last ukranian, talking about bleeding Russia for years, etc. All will be memory holed and the resident chickenhawhs here will pretend they never believed any of it.
Then the narrative will be shifted again to "Ukraine is so wrecked that Russia should have it all, hey look they're taking it all over, that's what we really wanted all along. See the stupid russians are falling into our trap, we're geniuses".
Next year: "By the way, please please take back these 10 million refuges because our population is lacking housing and food, and protesting that we're giving both to foreigners instead".
Pathetic. Out warmongering idiots did all they could to set up a war, failed to actually prepare to win the war they succeeded in bringing about (there was never any interest in fighting, it was stupid), pressed the ukranian government to refuse to negotiate early and cut losses, and will finally dump Ukraine like a spent broken toy.
I will be crystal clear: Ukraine is already utterly defeated. There is no way it can win, it will run out of soldiers way before Russia could - and still Russia isn't even bothering to mobilize. While Ukraine mobilized everyone who couldn't bribe their way out of being recruited. Lots of people keep people dying uselessly because peace negotiations have been repeatedly torpedoed. Heads of state that have no real commitment to the war keep making processions to tell the ukranian government to drag it on, act like Hitler ordering its generals to stay put in face of overwhelming odds. But reassure them that unlike Hitler a path will be provided for safe exit. I wouldn't trust that promise but Zelensky isn't a bright one.
On gas: there are still no gas cuts. The other pipeline is taking the flows, as arranged between Gazprom and ukranian authorities.
Does no one here think it odd that gas keeps being pumped into Ukraine even though officially there's a state of all-out war going on? That both belligerents cooperate to maintain that gas flowing? Can you imagine Hitler and Stalin doing something like that after Barbarrossa began?
No.
That tells you everything you need to know about what this war is about, how much the stakeholders, inside and outside Ukraine, are invested on it, and the long-term prospects for its resolution.
The americans fume at the situation on the ground but dare not intervene because an outright defeat would instantly crumble their influence worldwide. The US cannot win a conventional limited war against Russia in eastern Ukraine. It might in western Ukraine, but that explains the whole russian strategy. Ukraine as a state, all its military strength holding it together still, will be destroyed in the east.
The europeans don't really want to defeat, let alone destroy, Russia. They're not really in it, just fell they have to go along with american pressure to use Ukraine to "weaken Russia".
The ukranian government wants to keep the money falling into bank accounts. Thew dreadful "war criminal monsters" money, with whom they happily continue to do business.
The russians know a puppet show for what it is and play along.
And the cannon fodder die while their betters pose for photo-ops. War as usual. Let's all in in CFC cheer for and encourage more war. Years of war. Yay.
This Kyriakos person sounds really popular, the kind that finds places to stay without needing to pay rent; but maybe don't make him the topic of the thread
Tallin, Estonia.
At least they don't bulldoze the flowers yet.
We have to stand together, Russians and those whoever share our values.
