[RD] Russia Invades Ukraine--Act 3: Ride of the Valkyries

[Ziggy Stardust]

Russia hires some really bad actors.

 

[Verbose]

But the Russian propaganda is first rate – to the extent of some people inside communities under direct Russian fire can still be convinced it is the Ukranian side shooting at them‚ because Russia insists it would never shoot at civilians, and keeps telling them this.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Russia would never level cities, kill thousands of civilians or displace millions of Ukrainians.

That's all just Western Propaganda talking.

 

[Snowygerry]

Still - it is interesting to carefully study the enemies propaganda - it can reveal a lot about their mindset and sensitivities.

For example these guys want desperately to be seen as the "good guys" apparently, handing out small packs of - what exactly ?

Stark contrast with the Chechens who clearly want to provoke fear, or the one with the communist flag some days ago as if he had just taken the Reichstag in Berlin singlehanded

Also the complete absence of young females - probably hiding just be sure.

 

[Zardnaar]

Still - it is interesting to carefully study the enemies propaganda - it can reveal a lot about their mindset and sensitivities.

For example these guys want desperately to be seen as the "good guys" apparently, handing out small packs of - what exactly ?

Stark contrast with the Chechens who clearly want to provoke fear, or the one with the communist flag some days ago as if he had just taken the Reichstag in Berlin singlehanded

Also the complete absence of young females - probably hiding just be sure.

I think most if the younng females have fled sling with young people in general.

 

[Snowygerry]

Just think back to the liberations of Paris or Brussels where the streets where lined with screaming young women, as if it was a Beatles gig in the 1960s.

This is remarkably different.

 

[Verbose]

Still - it is interesting to carefully study the enemies propaganda - it can reveal a lot about their mindset and sensitivities.

For example these guys want desperately to be seen as the "good guys" apparently, handing out small packs of - what exactly ?

It's the Russian standard narrative by now – the Russians are the White Hats. Everyone opposing Russia is a Black Hat. Russia is only doing things out of stark necessity, if there is a conflict it was directly forced on Russia that is only defending what is right. Given that Russia is the Good Side, with justice on its side, this is an existential conflict that Russia has to win – but the same is not the case with the forces opposing Russia, who force everything on Russia, but did so not due to any just, much existential, reasons – that was done simply because everyone else is a turd. But as turd they also cannot have any real reason except bade and disgusting ones, and consequently there is no reason to assume they won't in the end buckle in the face of stern Russian determination. History and justice are all on Russia's side.

The rest is Semantics 101 – the metonymic power of images says that these images are indicative of the whole. There is no actual representativity in any single image/clip. In the end it boils down to the ability to process assemblages of imagery – and on what senders of them are actually worthy of trust. The Russian side posits a stark opposition where Russia is telling the truth, but everyone else is lying – and if you simply accept that, things become very simple indeed, if you just trust the Russian media. And it quickly becomes very confusing if someone tries to do something else – and then the secondary protocol is to feed that confusion, to make doubters of the official narrative conclude that nothing can really be known, and probably everyone is as bad as the next, and there is no meaningful side to take. If active support for the course of action of the Russian state is not forthcoming, then passivity is almost as good.

 

[Snowygerry]

It's the Russian standard narrative by now – the Russians are the White Hats..

That's not exactly helpful when you embark on a war of conquest.

There is no actual representativity in any single image/clip.

Anywhere between 15 and 20.000 people are left in Lisichansk, yet only a handful of old women turn out to greet their "liberators" ?

You'd expect something like this no, after 8 years of occupation by fascists ?

 

[red_elk]

Anywhere between 15 and 20.000 people are left in Lisichansk, yet only a handful of old women turn out to greet their "liberators" ?
You'd expect something like this no, after 8 years of occupation by fascists ?

May be not in the city where Ukrainians retreated from just hours ago and where street combat is still ongoing in some places.
Otherwise yes, you'd expect something like this:

Russia hires some really bad actors.

Yeah, bad actors
Don't be salty.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

That's not exactly helpful when you embark on a war of conquest.

Special military operation to liberate Ukrianians (from their resource rich land)

Anywhere between 15 and 20.000 people are left in Lisichansk, yet only a handful of old women turn out to greet their "liberators" ?

Give Russia time to truck in more grateful Ukrainians.

Soon we'll be seeing more youtubes of children's parties sporting military parades.

 

[Snowygerry]

(...)
Otherwise yes, you'd expect something like this:

Sevastopol - Crimea ?

Russians are very popular there I imagine yes.

Should have stayed there, it probably won't get any better

 

[red_elk]

Sevastopol - Crimea ?

Russians are very popular there I imagine yes.

Even if they were supported by just few percents of people, it would still mean thousands of supporters.
And Lisichansk was likely one of the most pro-Russian from the cities still remaining under Ukrainian control.

 

[Snowygerry]

It is also the home of the Black Sea Fleet no ?

And scene of the mutiny on the battleship Potemkin iirc...

 

[red_elk]

Also the complete absence of young females - probably hiding just be sure.

There are enough young females and males. Very few children though. Most people likely realize staying next to combatants when the city is still reachable by enemy artillery and drones is not the safest place.

 

[Snowygerry]

I still think they are just the mothers of those soldiers there..

Ah - we'll never know will we

 

[red_elk]

I still think they are just the mothers of those soldiers there..

Mothers of which soldiers? The city was under Ukrainian control, they can only be mothers of mobilized Ukrainian soldiers.

 

[Senethro]

Even if they were supported by just few percents of people, it would still mean thousands of supporters.
And Lisichansk was likely one of the most pro-Russian from the cities still remaining under Ukrainian control.

What do you think this means? What are you using it to mean?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

A couple of weeks ago, there was an article about how Ukrainians were fleeing the city, except for the pro-Russian population.

So Russia flattened the city, made a lot of pro-Ukrainian civilians flee, and now is going: look how pro-Russia everyone is after we either killed or chased off the others.

 

[red_elk]

A couple of weeks ago, there was an article about how Ukrainians were fleeing the city, except for the pro-Russian population.

You forgot, there is no pro-Russian population, only hired bad actors

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

You forgot, there is no pro-Russian population, only hired bad actors

I didn't claim there wasn't any pro-Russian population. I claimed Russia hired bad actors.