[RD] Russia Invades Ukraine: Eight

[Voidwalkin]

Any peace which involves Russia occupying territory is not desirable.

A: yet more encouragement of nuclear proliferation

B: It makes autocrats more likely to conclude that there is insufficient will to resist them. That may actually be true in this case, but untrue in another, resulting in a war much more devastating in scale and involvement

 

[leif erikson]

Moderator Action: This thread is not about Greece. Back to war news please.

 

[Snowygerry]

Prankster makes teachers in Russia make patriotic tin foil hats – photos

www.pravda.com.ua

Belarusian prankster Vladislav Bokhan, posing as a representative of Russia’s United Russia party, convinced teachers in Voronezh Oblast to create tin foil hats in a "patriotic workshop" dubbed the Helmet of the Fatherland. The local Education Ministry department has reportedly praised their efforts.

 

[EvaDK]

Any peace deal with Putin isn't worth the paper it is written on.

So, at least two things should happen in a potential post-deal scenario; Western powers and China should guarantee Ukrainian sovereignty with security guarantees and the Ukrainian government should start building nukes and a delivery system. They have the know-how, the technology and the fissile materiel for the device part of the equation.

 

[Kyriakos]

Any peace deal with Putin isn't worth the paper it is written on.

So, at least two things should happen in a potential post-deal scenario; Western powers and China should guarantee Ukrainian sovereignty with security guarantees and the Ukrainian government should start building nukes and a delivery system. They have the know-how, the technology and the fissile materiel for the device part of the equation.

Western powers (US and UK) were guaranteeing Ukraine's sovereignty, which came about exactly in the treaty which removed nuclear weapons from Ukraine.

No reason to expect the guarantee to mean more this time.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Trump's goal will be to reward Putin for his help with the US election and his desire for a real estate deal in Moscow. Trump does not give 2 craps about Ukraine.

 

[Joij21]

That's still a strategic loss for Putin. The Ukranians will still insist on being Ukranian, even under conditions like that.

Technically a tactical loss,[snip] until he can ship in Russian settlers to replace the Ukrainian dead and get them [the Russians] to somehow breed.

Moderator Action: In appropriate remark snipped by Birdjaguar.

 

[Snowygerry]

Conscription rather than mobilization... But nah, actually it's just weird.

All Korean males who are not actually infirm – or members of the party elite of society – are conscripted between ages 17 and 30. Military service lasts a decade, the military spending is an estimated 28% or so of GDP. I.e. effectively all North Korean males in the that age bracket are military. It's how the DPRK, population 26 or so million, can have a standing army of 1,3 million – i.e. the kind of numbers Russia aims for...

So DPRK does in fact conscript something in the vicinity of 150 000 young men every year, and keeps them like that for a decade. Things our societies would consider Dystopian Nightmare Stuff is Just A Regular Tuesday in Pyongyang,

Looks like little Rubio is set to become the next US foreign minister, that one can likely be goaded into attacking Iran or N.Korea.

That would only help Ukraine indirectly, but would put a dent into the Russian Axis of Autocracy for the future.

 

[Verbose]

Looks like little Rubio is set to become the next US foreign minister, that one can likely be goaded into attacking Iran or N.Korea.

That would only help Ukraine indirectly, but would put a dent into the Russian Axis of Autocracy for the future.

Considering it has now been made official that Russia and NK are in a mutual defense pact – Russia has adopted it as law now – that might not be a good move. Unless the US actually intends to end up at war with Russia?

 

[Snowygerry]

We do not expect the newly elected US government to make clever moves do we, no I fully expect them do something stupid sooner rather then later...

Better something stupid with a few benefits then.

 

[Ordnael]

Apparently Русский мир brigades just took out another damn.

https://t.me/Donbas_Operatyvnyi/95749

 

[indeedhewas]

Apparently Русский мир brigades just took out another damn.

https://t.me/Donbas_Operatyvnyi/95749

You must've linked it incorrectly, I can't open it.

 

[Farm Boy]

Trump's goal will be to reward Putin for his help with the US election and his desire for a real estate deal in Moscow. Trump does not give 2 craps about Ukraine.

He's probably smart enough to have figured out the Iranian state is trying to kill him.

 

[Ordnael]

You must've linked it incorrectly, I can't open it.

I just clicked it now and it opened and I am using firefox with uBlock origin.

 

[Birdjaguar]

You must've linked it incorrectly, I can't open it.

Works for me.

 

[red_elk]

Ukraine reportedly blew up Kurakhovo dam in attempt to slow down advancing Russian forces.
The dam area is still controlled by UA, people from nearby villages were evacuated in advance.

 

[Kyriakos]

Following the collapse of Germany's government, former finance minister has claimed that he was fired over insisting that Germany gives Taurus missiles to Ukraine.

If anything, "Euromaidan" sounds pro-Ukraine.

 

[thetrooper]

Get rid of Scholz and Taurus will be on the table again.

 

[Kyriakos]

Get rid of Scholz and Taurus will be on the table again.

I really doubt that. They weren't before, now with Trump it is virtually impossible.
Besides, the new elections would bring AFG either to power or one breath from power, and afaik they are against sending weapons to Ukraine (and are on the fascist side of things).

 

[Broken_Erika]

Russian doctor jailed for five years over alleged Ukraine war remarks​

Ahead of the verdict, Nadezhda Buyanova was led, handcuffed, into the courtroom and locked inside a glass and metal cage.
Through the glass, the 68-year-old paediatrician told me what she thought of her predicament.
"It's absurd, just absurd," the doctor said.
"I can't get my head around what’s happening to me. Perhaps later I’ll be able to."
The paediatrician had been reported to police by the mother of a 7-year-old boy she’d been treating.
The woman had claimed that the doctor had made negative comments about the boy’s father, a Russian soldier, who had been killed fighting in Ukraine and that the doctor had said Russian servicemen there were legitimate targets.

Ms Buyanova denies making such comments and there is no audio or video recording to prove she made them.
But back in February, she was arrested and charged with spreading false information about the Russian armed forces. After a short spell under house arrest, she was placed in pre-trial detention.
Now Ms Buyanova was in the dock and about to learn her fate.
Before the judge entered, court officials ordered camera crews out of the courtroom. Along with other journalists, we were ushered into the corridor.
Minutes later the door to the courtroom opened again.

"Five-and-a-half years!" cried one of Ms Buyanova’s supporters in the public gallery. "She’s been sent to a penal colony for five-and-a-half years!"
"The sentence is monstrously harsh," the doctor’s lawyer, Oskar Cherdzhiyev, told me.
"We didn’t expect this, even given what is happening today [in Russia]. Just a few words proved enough to put someone behind bars for such a long time."
Alina, one of the doctor’s group of supporters in court, said: “For me it was important that Nadezhda saw that a lot of us came today, so that, if a miracle didn’t happen – and we were all still hoping for a miracle – it would be just that little bit easier for her."
"It's very difficult to speak about this. We’re all in shock."
The law against spreading false information about the army is one of several harsh pieces of legislation adopted in Russia since the country's full-scale invasion of Ukraine, with the aim of silencing or punishing criticism of the war.
The imprisonment of a Moscow paediatrician is the latest sign that, for Russia, a war abroad is fuelling repression at home.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckgrkg02jz3o