[RD] Russia Invades Ukraine: Eight

I have no idea who Chay Bowes is nor do I particularly care; though I'm guessing he's not Russian/Ukrainian. But I really don't think his money is going towards people getting drafted. Nations tend to do that regardless and I don't see Ukraine's case as being some incredible exception. To me he just sounds like some ignoramus.
 
I have no idea who Chay Bowes is nor do I particularly care; though I'm guessing he's not Russian/Ukrainian. But I really don't think his money is going towards people getting drafted. Nations tend to do that regardless and I don't see Ukraine's case as being some incredible exception. To me he just sounds like some ignoramus.
Born in Ireland, now lives in Russia where he gets his paycheck from the government.

 

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“He wants to meet. And we’re setting it up,” Trump told Fox News’s Peter Doocy at Mar-a-Lago during a meeting with Republican governors. Trump noted he’s had “a lot of communication” with Chinese President Xi Jinping and has spoken with numerous other world leaders. But he has yet to speak with Putin. “But President Putin wants to meet. He’s said that even publicly, and we have to get that war over with. That’s a bloody mess,” Trump said of the war in Ukraine.

Nations tend to do that regardless
Nations usually tend to draft men without abducting them off the streets.
 
Russians are forcing Ukrainians under the age of 60 to register for military service.
It's quite telling that you equalize mandatory registering with press gang mobilization going on in Ukraine, admitted even in Western media.

Since 2022, the vast majority of Ukrainian citizens aged 18 to 60 with a male gender marker in their documents are prohibited from leaving the country. This ban has led to dozens of deaths of people attempting to flee the war illegally and negatively impacts not only male-gendered Ukrainians but also members of the transgender community and women who, as refugees abroad, have been unable to reunite with their loved ones for years, and children whose parents cannot visit them.

This year, the Zelensky government decided to intensify measures of forced mobilization, which include denying at least hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian citizens consular services abroad, who do not wish to either go to war or be trapped in Ukraine if they return and update their data in Ukrainian military offices. In the name of the war, the Zelensky government is fully active in promoting anti-social policies, repression against dissenters, implementation of censorship and human rights violations, particularly against people with a male gender marker in their documents, and persecution against conscientious objectors and anti-war activists like Yurii Sheliazhenko, a leading Ukrainian pacifist, who is currently being prosecuted with false accusations of ‘justifying Russian aggression.’
 
Pacifists are not very useful when your next door neighbours come to kill you and steal your property.

A la guerre comme à la guerre. We shot deserters in 1914 and 1940.
 
And Russia shot deserters in mass in second world war and continue doing it today in Urakainian war and are the agressors not the defenders. Go imagine.
 
Sorry @red_elk I usually enjoy many of your posts.

But I thought "draft" means forcing people to go to war? People are definitely dragged from homes, streets, schools, wherever.

I am not aware that United Nations, or any mainstream rules of war, objecting to press gangs for defensive wars.
 
Thousands of Russian teenagers have already died in Ukraine. Ukraine has not resorted to that yet.

Ukrainian army accepts 18+ "He couldn't wait to join" volunteers just as well.
Sorry @red_elk I usually enjoy many of your posts.

But I thought "draft" means forcing people to go to war? People are definitely dragged from homes, streets, schools, wherever.

I am not aware that United Nations, or any mainstream rules of war, objecting to press gangs for defensive wars.
I'm not saying they violate any international laws by this practice. Probably not.
 
Ukrainian army accepts 18+ "He couldn't wait to join" volunteers just as well.

I'm not saying they violate any international laws by this practice. Probably not.
At least Ukraine can manage a mobilization, unlike Russia.
 
Yeah, if that's what you call "managing a mobilization", hope Russia will never be able to do it.
 
Yeah, if that's what you call "managing a mobilization", hope Russia will never be able to do it.
Yeah, that is kind of the thing... What the Ukranians are trying to do here is the continuation of a revolution in their society. So, sure, Russia will not try it, unless after there has first been a revolutionary moment also in Russia.

Otherwise it might just be though of as standing up for the human right to be able to bribe oneself out of discomfort at all times, if one has the means.

That's what the Ukranians are trying to change about their society, but Russia is not. Not letting people get away with it is paradoxically an investment towards societal solidarity – not that the Ukranians have achieved it yet, but this is also what that looks like.
 
What the Ukranians are trying to do here is the continuation of a revolution in their society.
Who are the revolutionaries - the ones who do the beating and packing people in vans, or those who flee?
 
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Who are the revolutionaries - the ones who beat up people and packing them in vans, or those who flee?
I wasn't expecting you to even be able to get that one. Russia as it currently is, is set up to be by definition incapable of understanding Ukraine and what is going on with it. The war will go on, and the Russian incomprehension will mount.
 
I wasn't expecting you to even be able to get that one. Russia as it currently is, is set up to be by definition incapable of understanding Ukraine and what is going on with it. The war will go on, and the Russian incomprehension will mount.
Likewise, your pretending to understand both Ukraine and Russia better than me never gets old.

By the way, bribes to evade mobilization still perfectly work in Ukraine, just FYI.
Those who are being brutalized are almost exclusively the poor ones. Go ahead and tell me you don't believe it.
I wouldn't even reply, but sheer madness of branding that video as "continuation of a revolution in their society" is a bit too much.
 
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Likewise, your pretending to understand both Ukraine and Russia better than me never gets old.
if you hadn't blatantly lied to our faces here, maybe that wouldn't be the case.

or if you hadn't lied, you were ignorant of things we knew..
 
By the way, bribes to evade mobilization still perfectly work in Ukraine, just FYI.

I'd guess that in Russia, those in power do not need to bribe anyone to save their sons or brothers from being sent to the meatgrinder in Ukraine, because the system is rigged.
Ethnic minorities are 'somehow' overrepresented among Russian casualties, relative to the whole population mix.

How many members of the Duma have served at the front in Ukraine? Their sons, brothers or husbands?
 
if you hadn't blatantly lied to our faces here, maybe that wouldn't be the case.

or if you hadn't lied, you were ignorant of things we knew..
I did neither, you might be projecting here.
Ethnic minorities are 'somehow' overrepresented among Russian casualties, relative to the whole population mix.
Nope. This claim was already discussed and debunked.
Generally, the pattern is that the fatality rates are higher in economically deprived regions, some of which are ethnic republics. It is unlikely that the ethnic gaps in mortality are driven mostly by the conscious policies of ethnic profiling and discrimination. Regional socio-economic inequalities affecting the rates of recruitment in the military appear to be a more important factor. It is not a specifically Russian phenomenon that careers in the military are more attractive for young men in poorer areas with fewer civilian opportunities. Kriner and Shen (2010) provide evidence of the casualty gaps in the US military in the WWII and the wars in Korea, Vietnam and Iraq. Maynard (2009) estimate the correlation coefficients between mortality rates and per capita income at the US state level for the wars in Vietnam (r = 0.51) and Iraq (r = 0.52). The correlation coefficients are very similar to the one estimated with the Russian data in this study (r = 0.48).
I'd guess that in Russia, those in power do not need to bribe anyone to save their sons or brothers
Even those not in power do not need it. Dodging mobilization is not criminalized in Russia, there is only administrative fine for that.
Besides that, mobilization is stopped since October 2022, multiple predictions of "second wave" in these threads have failed so far.
 
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