[RD] Russia Invades Ukraine: Eight

What a surprise, it was just an interruption to teach Zelensky a lesson.
Let's see if Trump is still called "Russian puppet" after resuming the aid.
I am not sure Trump qualifies for puppet but he definitely qualifies as a Russian asset, and its not by accident.

Most who pay attention to such things know the answer: Trump first and most boldly proclaimed such views in September 1987, when he took out full-page ads in major newspapers to assail U.S. allies for not covering their fair share of our common defense.
“’Why are these nations not paying the United States for the human lives and billions of dollars we are losing to protect their interests?” the ad asked provocatively.

Surprisingly few people are aware that Trump took his first of four trips to Russia less than two months before placing this infamous full-page ad. Traveling to Moscow at the invitation of Soviet ambassador Yuri Dubinin, in a private jet accompanied by “two Russian colonels” (his words), Trump claimed he would meet with the general secretary of the Communist Party, Mikhail Gorbachev. That hoped-for meeting did not take place, but others did.


In the barrage of talk shows and speaking appearances that followed for the next two years, Trump took advantage of every opportunity to return to the same theme. In a typical statement, Trump proclaimed to the 1988 Lehigh University graduating class: “Forget about our enemies — Russia, we don’t deal with them that much … Our friends are making billions of dollars and stripping us of our dignity.”


The message aligned perfectly with the KGB’s talking points at the time. My father, Paul Auerswald, led the U.S. Department of State’s Office of Public Communication during the 1980s. His office published a pair of reports on “active measures,” as Soviet influence operations were known, as did congressional investigators and the CIA in that era. In the United States and Western Europe, such activities had a priority objective: to weaken public support for our defensive alliances, particularly NATO. A second, co-equal objective was to denigrate American institutions.

 
We'll see if the US put pressure on Russia now that Ukraine has accepted their demands for a rare earth deal and accepted a cease fire (and have been pushed back from Kursk at the exact same time the US stopped their help, that's no coincidence), or if the US surrender to others Russia demands without any concessions.
 
Never thought US would be defeated by such defeated enemy.
 
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An added problem here is that the large concentration of russian troops may then move to invade Ukraine from that new front too - although perhaps the terrain doesn't allow it and they will simply relocate to where the eastern front is collapsing.
 
Washington pledging to immediately lift a freeze on intelligence sharing and military aid to Ukraine.
At this point, "pledge" is not worth much.
Let's see if any materiel actually starts moving.
As for intelligence... Ukraine would be wise not to no longer trust US intel anyway.
 
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An added problem here is that the large concentration of russian troops may then move to invade Ukraine from that new front too - although perhaps the terrain doesn't allow it and they will simply relocate to where the eastern front is collapsing.

one of the reasons that was discussed at the time of the operation was that Russia was planning to open a front from Kursk.

and the eastern front is not collapsing, Russian advances have almost stopped there, with limited counter-attacks from Ukrainians.
 
We'll see if the US put pressure on Russia now that Ukraine has accepted their demands for a rare earth deal and accepted a cease fire (and have been pushed back from Kursk at the exact same time the US stopped their help, that's no coincidence), or if the US surrender to others Russia demands without any concessions.

That is pretty much my perspective.

By the way; I think that it was necessary for Zelensky to ask for a ceasefire, but he seemed a little slow in recognising that.

Sadly I am not at all optimistic that Putin will moderate his demands.

And what the Donald will do if Vlad Putin does not is to me an unknown future.
 
Yes, it took longer in the old days when it was Hitler and Stalin and telegrams etc.

One wonders which will be the first break up; Elon v Trump or Putin via Trump ?
 
Hm - that I do not know, is not our business really - if the US Americans want to be governed by a couple of idiots let them, I always said Trump could benefit us by doing stupid stuff that accidentally turns out to be to our advantage, this ceasefire and his tariffs both fit that bill.

What a wonderful ceasefire, possibly the best ceasefire proposal in history, only a complete dolt like Vladimir Putin would refuse such an offer :D
 
But what if this imaginary pantomime of Trump-Putin fallout doesn't play out in actual reality? Because it sounds like more of our great plans, based in general on nothing (eg economic sanctions will make Russia agree to peace/Russia will have a revolution to overthrow Putin/Ukraine will take back its land with weapons given to it etc etc).
Trump didn't even have a fallout with the leader of NK, which isn't of comparable power to Russia. I think that he is set on ending the war, and sooner or later Russia will come to terms with what is offered - which likely is what it wants itself anyway.
US already explicitly said that Ukraine won't be in any way associated with Nato (=what Russia wants), and there is no sign of what Russia currently occupies not being officially kept after the war either.
 
what is "our great plan" ?

the only one I've heard of is rearming, fast, now that the US are no longer a trusted ally.
 
Yes, it took longer in the old days when it was Hitler and Stalin and telegrams etc.
Hitler-Stalin pact had secret protocols attached to a treaty.

We'll see whether Putin-Trump pact will lead to a treaty that can be attached to secret protocols.
 
US already explicitly said that Ukraine won't be in any way associated with Nato (=what Russia wants), and there is no sign of what Russia currently occupies not being officially kept after the war either.

Trump said that, not exactly the same as the "US" - we can always make a promise we do not intend to keep, next US president may well see things differently.

Remember the promise that NATO would not expand Eastward ? We just got 2 new members in the middle of a Russian offensive :D
 
Have you forgotten that Biden already had stated that Ukraine won't be in Nato?
It is arguable that the US had long ago (maybe before even 2014) decided that it would back down from that.
 
Not sure if you posted before the (albeit very quick) explanatory edit with (some of) our great plans :)

yep, started to answer before the edit.

IMO one can not plan anything with Trump being a part of the plan.

Sanctions are working, not fast enough, granted, but they are. Or "were" if the US start trading with Russia again before the end of the war, it's would have been for nothing.


Have you forgotten that Biden already had stated that Ukraine won't be in Nato?
It is arguable that the US had long ago (before even 2014) decided that it would back down from that.

Germany and France were opposed to Ukraine in NATO not so long ago (and who can say if the US will stay in NATO ?)
 
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