that's the third time this refinery is hit since Jan. 2024
[RD] Russia Invades Ukraine: Eight
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Klaus Hergersheimer
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oh I'm fairly used to this mentality. I have/had certain family members who, when they were angry with me, told me it was actually my fault they blew up because they can't really control themselves and I should've known better. It's elementary persecution complex stuff.
So when many here say that it's Russia's fault that they invaded Ukraine, to a Russian who's in favor of Putin, that just sort-of rolls right off them. And I naturally understand that: they actualize that whatever decision they make was because of someone else's transgression no matter how small.
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In the meantime, in the immediate context of Putin accusing Ukrainian forces of targeting civilians in Kursk, Russian drones and their Hitler-esque terror bombing strike a hospital. Twice.
Spoiler :
hope it will end up as in 1945 and 1991, with the complete defeat of the real culprit, whose propaganda label those trying to defend invaded countries as "warmongers"
Lexicus
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What is the theory of victory?
saamohod
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Suddenly, DJ Vance has a cousin who spent almost 3 years fighting in Ukraine.
Klaus Hergersheimer
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Hopefully more foreign volunteers come out of the woodwork like Nate Vance. They should go on tour.
Some preemptive clarification before someone else comes here parroting Putin's claims:
www.forbes.com
No, Russia Has Not Surrounded Thousands Of Ukrainian Troops In Kursk
President Donald Trump parroted a Russian lie.
www.forbes.com
Any chance that they won't is a chance worth taking in light of the alternative.
It'll be interesting as to who will be considered the black sheep in that family some years from now.
Thats why countries desire alliances and do not want to be dependant on promises.
Its not first time when we see love letters to Putin. Its what US presidents are doing since Clinton.
Its possible that Trump will try to sold US allies. Its also possible that Czechs will elect again Babiš.
Most westerners do not follow like Belarus, Georgia or Moldova situation as they were ignorant about Ukraine.
The idea that the "troika with galloping horses" will be stopped by an alliance of other nations, is very old. Not sure if the image of Russia as such a troika is very prevalent in current Russia - but it was a memorable phrase by Gogol, which made an impression to other writers. Regardless, if it was to be stopped, something rather more militarily powerful should stand in front of it - something like the US, not the Eu.
Speaking of Gogol, afaik he is being regarded in Ukraine as "not Russian, but Ukrainian". But he had described himself as "Malorussian" ("little Russian"). It's a turn of phrase analogous to (metropolitan) Greece when compared to Magna Graecia, with the area in central Ukraine being an origin of the Russian civ prior to its expansion elsewhere (more prominently to Novgorod).
Of course the term "Ukraine" came much later, and I read it means "borderland", so clearly it is an exonym.
Speaking of Gogol, afaik he is being regarded in Ukraine as "not Russian, but Ukrainian". But he had described himself as "Malorussian" ("little Russian"). It's a turn of phrase analogous to (metropolitan) Greece when compared to Magna Graecia, with the area in central Ukraine being an origin of the Russian civ prior to its expansion elsewhere (more prominently to Novgorod).
Of course the term "Ukraine" came much later, and I read it means "borderland", so clearly it is an exonym.
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saamohod
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It's very old indeed. Back in the day that troika consisted of Ukraine as well. The "troika" of today consists of Russia and its backers: N.Korea, China, Iran. Important difference.
Galloping horses can be stopped, as showed the history of the last century. But it wasn't stopped by appeasement.
By this logic nothing today is Ukrainian because in the past everything that constituted Ukraine's identity was called a different name. When Greece was part of Turkey it was called Yunanistan or Rumeli as far as I know. Russia was Moscowy before they rebranded themselves as Russia.
Also things of distant past are largely irrelevant because in recent couple of centuries things evolved a lot, and nations evolved too. I'm not sure about Greeks, but modern Ukrainian nation is quite different to the Ukrainians of centuries ago.
Moderator Action: Back to actual news please.
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Starmer's ad hoc alliance could still struggle to materialise
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Keir Starmer's ad hoc alliance could still struggle to materialise
After a summit of Ukraine's allies, the PM's coalition is still a somewhat nebulous undertaking.
www.bbc.com
Snowygerry
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Flemish public TV infiltrates Russian saboteur ring :
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Verbose
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In the poem the troika is watched in amazement by other nations, lacking that kind of vigour, an then they stand aside, and let it pass...
Ordnael
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Ukraine Now Has A 600-Mile Cruise Missile
Ukraine Now Has A 600-Mile Cruise Missile
The Long Neptune just blew up a Russian oil refinery.
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Ukraine has a new 600-mile cruise missile, the Long Neptune, and has fired it at Russia.
“We have significant results,” Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky announced Saturday. “Long Neptune has been tested and successfully used in combat. A new Ukrainian missile, an accurate strike. The range is a thousand kilometers.” That’s 620 miles.
The Long Neptune is a longer version of Ukraine’s 17-foot-long Neptune anti-ship cruise missile—the truck-launched weapon that sank the Russian Black Sea Fleet flagship Moskva in April 2022.
Long Neptune, which is longer and holds more fuel than the 120-mile standard Neptune, has been in development for years. When Zelensky pledged recently that Ukraine would produce 100,000 long-range munitions in 2025, he was partly referring to the Long Neptune—as well as to a host of far-flying explosive drones, the most impressive of which can travel more than 1,000 miles to strike targets deep inside Russia.
A Neptune in testing.
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Deep strikes
The successful deployment of Long Neptune Zelensky referred to was apparently the March 14 strike on the oil refinery in Tuapse, in Russia around 300 miles from the front line in Ukraine. That Tuapse attack was just the latest in a chain of Ukrainian strikes on Russian oil facilities that depressed production by around 10% last year.
Long Neptune is an important weapon. Striking harder than do-it-yourself attack drones, some of which are modified sport planes, the new missile helps free Ukraine from its partial dependency on the United States and Europe for its best deep-strike munitions. The U.S. under President Donald Trump is, at best, an unreliable ally. And Europe lacks the capacity to produce the large numbers of modern cruise missiles Ukraine needs.
Other made-in-Ukraine munitions are coming, including air-launched glide bombs and ground-launched ballistic missiles. Even as Trump leans on Ukraine to accept a possible U.S.-brokered ceasefire that would favor Russia, Zelensky’s government is preparing for the war to grind on—and for attacks deep inside Russia to continue … if not escalate.
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Russia doesn’t want peace, says EU foreign chief, as Trump and Putin plan to discuss land
In meantime, for the sake of making peace on paper and taking credit, Trump has no qualms further tilting the scale in Putin's favor, unilaterally drumming up further concessions.
Ukraine war latest: Russia doesn’t want peace, says EU foreign chief, as Trump and Putin plan to discuss land
President Trump says the US will speak to the Russian leader about “power plants” and “dividing up certain assets” in Ukraine talks.
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Russia's definitely and unsurprisingly trying to make last minute gains while Putin takes his time to consider ceasefire options. Any and all footdragging is bound to benefit the aggressor.
In meantime, for the sake of making peace on paper and taking credit, Trump has no qualms further tilting the scale in Putin's favor, unilaterally drumming up further concessions.
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