[RD] Russia Invades Ukraine: The 7th Thread Itch; scratch it here!

[MPorciusCatoCivver]

Vladimir is going to meet with Kim Jong Un of North Korea, a fascist autocrat who operates hundreds of concentration camps. So much for being opposed to Nazis.

So instead we better shift to people who openly support and follow Stepan Bandera, who was in open league and loved Hitler with all his heart. Really lol.

Calling Kim Jong Un a "fascist" is also pure tosh. It's as easy as calling Bush or Obama "fascists". Godwin's Law at its best, where caricature is 99% and actual thinking is 0%.

 

[keli]

There's no clearcut solution to the Ukraine crisis. The whole area just looks like Somalia or Ethiopia to me, and the levels of economic misery and backwardness are the same. But it's clear the US is stepping because they just want, they're just itching, to cut Russia's geopolitical leg and make sure everybody steps into their line.

Yeah, that's why the US implored Russia not to invade Ukraine countless of times before the war started, because they are so itchy to step in. Get a grip.

 

[Remorseless1]

Not a student of history, I see.

The Ukrainians would have joined Germany in WW2 had Hitler not been such a racist ass. Ukrainians bore the brunt of the starvation and oppression from Stalin in the 1930s. The Ukrainians were building churches and a society centuries before the Russians, and they took every opportunity to battle Russian imperialism.

 

[MPorciusCatoCivver]

It's even worse if he is not paid. Jesus, coming to a Ukraine war thread and trying to justify the Russian (and anti-European) invasion, meanwhile living "assumedly" in the EU. We had one Kyriakos yes, but what about a second?

Plus he brings the same tropes as you do. He criticizes Ukraine, then when called out about Russia he says he would like to stay far away and not make a stance in the topic. The same when you want Russian troops to kill Ukrainians, want Russia to win the war but you yourself don't support the war and are neutral.

LOL I have only expressed my own opinions. But I believe in earnest that it's better to say my own thoughts than to back some Bandeirite neo-nazi scum, a cocaine addict clown and some failed forces backed by US imperialist greed - the same way they backed Pinochet btw - and devoting myself fully to such a "cause" in this thread everybody who opposes my pro-US rants is some "paid Russian bot".

Jesus wake up. You speak like kiddies. Are you paid Pentagon bots? Because you truly look like it. I guess the next thing you'll do is to claim "bomb bomb Iran" and you're not that far from it only because your paymasters want it.

 

[Akka]

I really feel like I need to copy-paste once again my previous posts (which were already copy-pasted) about the cycle of cloned pro-Russian posters.

 

[MPorciusCatoCivver]

LOL the next thing is "bomb bomb Iran" because we gotta free all these Iranians from "Communism", I guess. Or something like that. BTW isn't the capital of Brazil like "Buenos Aires"?

I guess the sort of US-centric, pro-Pentagon arrogance is really showing up here. And like I said people here post with such arrogance and passion it leads me to think they're being paid for it. There's a whole world beyond the heads of Pentagon bot makers and their own little geopolitical assumptions, you know.

But yeah I guess I'm settled and that's all. I said everything I needed to.

 

[keli]

LOL I have only expressed my own opinions. But I believe in earnest that it's better to say my own thoughts than to back some Bandeirite neo-nazi scum, a cocaine addict clown and some failed forces backed by US imperialist greed - the same way they backed Pinochet btw - and devoting myself fully to such a "cause" in this thread everybody who opposes my pro-US rants is some "paid Russian bot".

Jesus wake up. You speak like kiddies. Are you paid Pentagon bots? Because you truly look like it. I guess the next thing you'll do is to claim "bomb bomb Iran" and you're not that far from it only because your paymasters want it.

Sanity check;
1) Always talking about US imperialism, when Russian imperialism is currently killing thousands of Ukrainians. - check
2) Talking about Ukrainian nazis, when their elected president is a jew and this is clearly a Russian psyops (like Russians care if anyone is a nazi). Doesn't even know history. -check
3) Less than a month old account. -check
4) Joined the thread with a clear agenda, not for a discussion. -check
5) Pecheneg? Maybe, I can still believe it's possible for some not-bot to have this approach.

 

[MPorciusCatoCivver]

Lol you're all just making stuff up on your head. I'm far more active in the Civ3 section anyway. It's just that you need - perhaps to learn a bit from people like Tito and Gaddhafi, learn some Geopolitics 101, and stop being such pro-US fanatics in the first place without becoming Russia fanboys. If that's really in your true interests, of course.

I only follow my own interests and could be described as a man who works for my own interests and those of my own little community. I'm far away from the Ukraines, the Somalias, the Pentagons, the Kremlins of life. Perhaps you should do the same.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Moderator Action: OK guys, enough bickering back and forth. Let's get back to the news of the day please. Thanks.

 

[keli]

Lol you're all just making stuff up on your head. I'm far more active in the Civ3 section anyway. It's just that you need - perhaps to learn a bit from people like Tito and Gaddhafi, learn some Geopolitics 101, and stop being such pro-US fanatics in the first place without becoming Russia fanboys. If that's really in your true interests, of course.

I only follow my own interests and could be described as a man who works for my own interests and those of my own little community. I'm far away from the Ukraines, the Somalias, the Pentagons, the Kremlins of life. Perhaps you should do the same.

Russia doesn't make it hard to be pro-US when you are in Europe and Russia invades your neighbour. Our interest in Europe is to be continued to be covered by the US defense umbrella and that Russia would GTFO. Is it really that hard to understand?
But thanks for worrying about US imperialism in a Russia invades Ukraine thread.

 

[MPorciusCatoCivver]

But thanks for worrying about US imperialism in a Russia invades Ukraine thread.

I guess this part merits a reply beyond anything else. And everything else. US tactics of power projection and asymmetric warfare have evolved neatly. The attempts at overthrowing Lukashenko, whom btw I don't support but use only as an example, are an instance of this assymetric warfare aimed at "regime change" within the Pentagon's interests. The same thing could be said of Gaddhafi, the hand of US interests was clear.

To not see the US interests in funding and backing whatever little thing raises its fingers against Putin in the former Soviet backyard is silly, misguided, naive to the extreme.

But then like I said I'm no partisan, only stating the facts but am not going to be passionate about this anyway. So who gives a tosh that Putin or Lukashenko goes away. Well in the first instance I'm more concerned about not being a puppet of US imperialism and its manifold arms, not with Putin or Lukashenko or even China in the first instance. That's all that matters for me.

 

[keli]

I guess this part merits a reply beyond anything else. And everything else. US tactics of power projection and asymmetric warfare have evolved neatly. The attempts at overthrowing Lukashenko, whom btw I don't support but use only as an example, are an instance of this assymetric warfare aimed at "regime change" within the Pentagon's interests.

Please give a reputable source about this.

Not everything is happening due to US meddling. You understand that Eastern Europeans (such as myself) went through history's fastest (maybe with the exception of China's rise) economic convergence to Western European standards after the Soviets collapsed, right? Look at Poland, Czechia and even Hungary. By joining the EU and the West we got political freedom, a liberal market economy, higher living standards, borderless travel. We are living much better than our parents. And this is mainly thanks to joining NATO (defense from all foes for pennies - this is unparalelled in history for smaller states), the EU (liberalism, borderless travel, free economy, convertible currency) and the Western world order in general. All the while we were not even forced to close our relations with Russia or China. We joined the EU and remained free. The European model was built on peaceful co-existence with Russia.

Meanwhile Russia has not changed one bit, as you can see. It's a country entangled in vranyo and bullies everyone around it. An insecure place for people with questionable sized manhoods. A bully. And it's not just Putin, it's the Russian people in general.
Yes, I'm thanking my own wealth, freedom and safety to Western ideals. I was born after the fall of the Berlin wall afterall. Don't be surprised that people will react aggressively and send you away when all you say is that we are stupid because "we submit to US imperialism". You either don't understand the European mindset or you don't care.
And most Eastern Europeans think like this (especially the younger generation), hence the relatively quick resistance to Russian imperialism and a united Europe.

Are you really that surprised that people in Eastern Europe would rather join the European project than Russia's rotting field of influence? Is it that hard to believe? Is it that hard to believe that Ukrainians would oust their president for not continuing EU ascension talks? Or that Belorussians hate Lukashenko after 30 years of tyranny? When they look at Warsaw and Poland and see the skyrocketing economy and freedom they have just a few kilometers from where they live.

Everywhere all you see is CIA meddling when you haven't even had any discussion about what the people who actually live here would like. And then you say your comments are based on facts. Wow. It's the opposite, you are clueless and emotionless.

 

[keli]

Today's funny Russian statement. The Russians just keep giving. 1 Challenger tank for scores of dead Russians. Good deal. Hope the UK will send more.

Russia Announces ‘Tactical’ Withdrawal From Ukraine’s Robotyne - The Moscow Times

A Kremlin-installed official in southern Ukraine admitted Tuesday that Russian forces have withdrawn from the village of Robotyne more than a week after Kyiv announced its recapture. “The Russian army abandoned — tactically abandoned this settlement,” said Yevgeny Balitsky, the Russian-appointed...

www.themoscowtimes.com

A Kremlin-installed official in southern Ukraine admitted Tuesday that Russian forces have withdrawn from the village of Robotyne more than a week after Kyiv announced its recapture.

“The Russian army abandoned — tactically abandoned this settlement,” said Yevgeny Balitsky, the Russian-appointed governor of Ukraine’s occupied Zaporizhzhia region.

 

[Lexicus]

So it was the US that invaded us? That's new.

Keep in mind this same poster (Core Impostor) is in US politics threads praising how Trump is protecting life and serving God etc so I think this really shows how the far-right is a global problem, the same people who want to overthrow the US Constitution want the democracy in Ukraine to be stamped out by Putin's fascism.

Nazism is immoral

Interesting opinion from a poster whose username is a historical figure who wrote a how-to manual on managing field slaves.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Russian Private Military Companies Move to Take Over Wagner Fighters
BY MATTHEW LUXMOORE AND BENOIT FAUCON

Security groups loyal to the Kremlin are moving to take control of Wagner’s military forces in Ukraine and Africa in the wake of the death of its founder, Yevgeny Prigozhin. Mercenary groups with ties to Russian security forces and oligarchs close to the Kremlin are moving to absorb thousands of Wagner soldiers. In doing so, the Kremlin is seeking to commandeer experienced troops for the Ukraine war and retain the influence Wagner earned in parts of Africa.

In August, Prigozhin’s plane crashed outside Moscow in what U.S. intelligence officials believe was an assassination. It followed Prigozhin’s mutiny in June, where he threatened to topple Russia’s military establishment. In the wake of Prigozhin’s death, the Kremlin is moving to take over Wagner’s valuable military assets, including many battle-tested soldiers who were deployed in Ukraine. Prigozhin had built a presence in a half-dozen countries in the Middle East and Africa, counting some 6,000 fighters who often provide security to local political leaders, sometimes in return for access to valuable resources. The Kremlin also is beginning to take control of those units, African and Western officials said.

Several private military groups with ties to the Kremlin have sent soldiers to fight in Ukraine in recent months, often as a way of currying favor with Putin. They include groups founded by intelligence officers, financed by oligarchs close to Putin and controlled by state companies. One of those companies, Redut, is recruiting Wagner soldiers who fought in Ukraine, a person close to Russia’s Defense Ministry said. The ministry and the Kremlin didn’t return requests for comment.
Redut, a security contractor for Russian firms operating in the Middle East, was founded by former Russian paratroopers and officers in military intelligence in 2008. The U.S. government, which placed sanctions on the group in February, says Redut still has ties to Russian military intelligence.

Redut is financed by Gennady Timchenko, an oligarch with close ties to Putin, according to testimony a Wagner defector gave to the British Parliament in July. Timchenko didn’t return requests for comment. The defector told U.K. lawmakers that Redut’s fighters deployed in Syria get munitions from the Russian army. Redut is acting as a recruitment vehicle for the Defense Ministry to attract former Wagner fighters who wouldn’t willingly sign contracts



Wagner Group members waved a Russian national and Wagner flag in Bakhmut, Ukraine, in May. PRIGOZHIN PRESS SERVICE/ ASSOCIATED PRESS

with the regular army because of its past hostility with Wagner, the person close to Russia’s defense ministry said. Russia’s defense ministry said in July that it had taken possession of hundreds of tanks, rocket launchers and artillery pieces from Wagner after Prigozhin’s failed mutiny. Russian military units also have taken over Wagner’s positions and bases in east Ukraine.

An official in Ukraine’s Defense Ministry said the Wagner fighters who have joined private military groups have been spread across the front lines so those who backed Prigozhin’s mutiny aren’t concentrated in one unit. Redut and Convoy, another mercenary group with ties to the Defense Ministry and the Kremlin, are jockeying to replace Wagner in its operations abroad, African and Western security officials and Russian outlets said. Redut is openly trying to poach Wagner fighters eager to go to Africa. “Wagner is in the past,” says one advertisement posted on VKontakte, the Russian equivalent to Face-book, on Aug 15. “If you are really interested in real work in Africa, then the Ministry of Defense and the Redut PMC are your choice!” Redut didn’t return a request for comment.

Some of Prigozhin’s fighters have joined Convoy, although it hasn’t actively tried to poach them, the group’s deputy commander Vasily Yashchik said. Convoy is led by Konstantin Pikalov who ran Wagner’s African military operations before breaking with Prigozhin. Pikalov couldn’t be reached and his deputy didn’t comment on the allegations.

 

[MPorciusCatoCivver]

Keep in mind this same poster (Core Impostor) is in US politics threads praising how Trump is protecting life and serving God etc so I think this really shows how the far-right is a global problem, the same people who want to overthrow the US Constitution want the democracy in Ukraine to be stamped out by Putin's fascism.



Interesting opinion from a poster whose username is a historical figure who wrote a how-to manual on managing field slaves.

LOL, just lol lol lol.

The worst sort of fascist is not even the classical one. It's the liberal fascist, who imposes his supremacy and his agenda of control by clothing it with nice liberal slogans and propaganda. That's the essence of US foreign policy right now, in fact, it's a very specific US phenomenon even now. We gotta liberate all these Lybians, Iranians, Russians, brown people, Koreans and whatnot from some imaginary evil far right fascism.

In fact that constantly reminds me of how the US handled Iraq, Afghanistan and is trying to handle Iran, NK and Russia really. We need to "liberate" them from their own "mental fascism" so the big US corporations can step in, really.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I guess this part merits a reply beyond anything else. And everything else. US tactics of power projection and asymmetric warfare have evolved neatly. The attempts at overthrowing Lukashenko, whom btw I don't support but use only as an example, are an instance of this assymetric warfare aimed at "regime change" within the Pentagon's interests. The same thing could be said of Gaddhafi, the hand of US interests was clear.

To not see the US interests in funding and backing whatever little thing raises its fingers against Putin in the former Soviet backyard is silly, misguided, naive to the extreme.

But then like I said I'm no partisan, only stating the facts but am not going to be passionate about this anyway. So who gives a tosh that Putin or Lukashenko goes away. Well in the first instance I'm more concerned about not being a puppet of US imperialism and its manifold arms, not with Putin or Lukashenko or even China in the first instance. That's all that matters for me.

You didn't start with lol. Well done growing up.

LOL, just lol lol lol.

Accurate summary of your posts.

 

[MPorciusCatoCivver]

You didn't start with lol. Well done growing up.

We're in an internet forum. If you really think this is the same as speaking live and in person in a political event or debate, you're seriously deluded.

Grow up when you can actually show your own face speaking at a major event about politics. As for the rest, I'm going to have the sort of etiquette that is adequate for an internet gaming forum, no more, no less.

 

[keli]

LOL, just lol lol lol.

The worst sort of fascist is not even the classical one. It's the liberal fascist, who imposes his supremacy and his agenda of control by clothing it with nice liberal slogans and propaganda. That's the essence of US foreign policy right now, in fact, it's a very specific US phenomenon even now. We gotta liberate all these Lybians, Iranians, Russians, brown people, Koreans and whatnot from some imaginary evil far right fascism.

In fact that constantly reminds me of how the US handled Iraq, Afghanistan and is trying to handle Iran, NK and Russia really. We need to "liberate" them from their own "mental fascism" so the big US corporations can step in, really.

Unfortunately by taking Russia’s side in this conflict you are pretty much supporting racists. Which actually makes you one.

 

[FriendlyFire]

To not see the US interests in funding and backing whatever little thing raises its fingers against Putin in the former Soviet backyard is silly, misguided, naive to the extreme.

Theres meddling
And then there is a full scale invasion and annexation because the neighboring country has decided to try and join an alliance.
Who knew the US has the rights to invade and annex its neighbours if people did some little finger raises in there backyards (Cuba, South Amercia)