[RD] Russia Invades Ukraine: The Four Horsemen Arrive

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And so we begin again. Please be civil. Please less bickering. News links are a good thing.
 

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Just to be clear, do you have any evidence of an epidemic in Ukraine? That's the fourth horseman that was missing.

Unless you agree with Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman that Pestilence retired and Pollution took his place.
 

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Just to be clear, do you have any evidence of an epidemic in Ukraine? That's the fourth horseman that was missing.

Unless you agree with Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman that Pestilence retired and Pollution took his place.
It likely was a typo, I doubt he meant to be specific about the horsemen, just that it is an apocalyptic event.
 

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Amnesty International reports multiple violations of international humanitarian law by Ukraine.
In particular, launching strikes from populated civilian areas, using hospitals and schools as military bases.

“We have documented a pattern of Ukrainian forces putting civilians at risk and violating the laws of war when they operate in populated areas,” said Agnès Callamard, Amnesty International’s Secretary General.

"Amnesty International researchers witnessed Ukrainian forces using hospitals as de facto military bases in five locations. In two towns, dozens of soldiers were resting, milling about, and eating meals in hospitals. In another town, soldiers were firing from near the hospital. A Russian air strike on 28 April injured two employees at a medical laboratory in a suburb of Kharkiv after Ukrainian forces had set up a base in the compound. Using hospitals for military purposes is a clear violation of international humanitarian law."

"The Ukrainian military has routinely set up bases in schools in towns and villages in Donbas and in the Mykolaiv area. Schools have been temporarily closed to students since the conflict began, but in most cases the buildings were located close to populated civilian neighbourhoods. At 22 out of 29 schools visited, Amnesty International researchers either found soldiers using the premises or found evidence of current or prior military activity – including the presence of military fatigues, discarded munitions, army ration packets and military vehicles."


 

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I don't have any developments in Ukraine, but there was one funny (as in "stupid" and "corrupt") development in this country where Ukraine was supposedly to blame (I really DOUBT Ukraine is to blame for this, btw). The prime minister was having mps followed by intelligence services (phone recording) and he now miserably tried to blame that on some foreign countries asking him to - including Ukraine.
Long story short: he is almost certainly lying, and should leave as soon as possible.
 

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Amnesty International reports multiple violations of international humanitarian law by Ukraine.
In particular, launching strikes from populated civilian areas, using hospitals and schools as military bases.

“We have documented a pattern of Ukrainian forces putting civilians at risk and violating the laws of war when they operate in populated areas,” said Agnès Callamard, Amnesty International’s Secretary General.

"Amnesty International researchers witnessed Ukrainian forces using hospitals as de facto military bases in five locations. In two towns, dozens of soldiers were resting, milling about, and eating meals in hospitals. In another town, soldiers were firing from near the hospital. A Russian air strike on 28 April injured two employees at a medical laboratory in a suburb of Kharkiv after Ukrainian forces had set up a base in the compound. Using hospitals for military purposes is a clear violation of international humanitarian law."

"The Ukrainian military has routinely set up bases in schools in towns and villages in Donbas and in the Mykolaiv area. Schools have been temporarily closed to students since the conflict began, but in most cases the buildings were located close to populated civilian neighbourhoods. At 22 out of 29 schools visited, Amnesty International researchers either found soldiers using the premises or found evidence of current or prior military activity – including the presence of military fatigues, discarded munitions, army ration packets and military vehicles."



Not to be outdone, Russia endangers whole world by turning a nuclear power plant into a military base.

 

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Amnesty International reports multiple violations of international humanitarian law by Ukraine.
In particular, launching strikes from populated civilian areas, using hospitals and schools as military bases.

“We have documented a pattern of Ukrainian forces putting civilians at risk and violating the laws of war when they operate in populated areas,” said Agnès Callamard, Amnesty International’s Secretary General.

"Amnesty International researchers witnessed Ukrainian forces using hospitals as de facto military bases in five locations. In two towns, dozens of soldiers were resting, milling about, and eating meals in hospitals. In another town, soldiers were firing from near the hospital. A Russian air strike on 28 April injured two employees at a medical laboratory in a suburb of Kharkiv after Ukrainian forces had set up a base in the compound. Using hospitals for military purposes is a clear violation of international humanitarian law."

"The Ukrainian military has routinely set up bases in schools in towns and villages in Donbas and in the Mykolaiv area. Schools have been temporarily closed to students since the conflict began, but in most cases the buildings were located close to populated civilian neighbourhoods. At 22 out of 29 schools visited, Amnesty International researchers either found soldiers using the premises or found evidence of current or prior military activity – including the presence of military fatigues, discarded munitions, army ration packets and military vehicles."


From the same article:
Such violations in no way justify Russia’s indiscriminate attacks, which have killed and injured countless civilians

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Not every Russian attack documented by Amnesty International followed this pattern, however. In certain other locations in which Amnesty International concluded that Russia had committed war crimes, including in some areas of the city of Kharkiv, the organization did not find evidence of Ukrainian forces located in the civilian areas unlawfully targeted by the Russian military.
I expect neither side to take these investigations well, personally.
 

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Bellingcat's investigation into the castration video. Suspect identified and actually interviewed by Bellingcat. "I was there, but it wasn't me".....

Wouldn't surprise me if the cameraman for castration video was Patrick Lancaster's cameraman. Lancaster has been associated with the killer previously.

 

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Just to be clear, do you have any evidence of an epidemic in Ukraine? That's the fourth horseman that was missing.

Unless you agree with Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman that Pestilence retired and Pollution took his place.
This is the fourth thread and an apocalyptic event. :)
 

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Just to be clear, do you have any evidence of an epidemic in Ukraine? That's the fourth horseman that was missing.

Unless you agree with Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman that Pestilence retired and Pollution took his place.
Seems I've been hearing about a widespread epidemic for the last couple of years so why not?
 

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Interesting is that the fourth horseman is translated as 'pale' while the original Koine is 'χλωρός' which can be also translated green (like in Chlorophyll, for example). So, some say that the fourth horseman might be consequences brought by "Green" policies :eek2: :lol:.
 

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Interesting is that the fourth horseman is translated as 'pale' while the original Koine is 'χλωρός' which can be also translated green (like in Chlorophyll, for example). So, some say that the fourth horseman might be consequences brought by "Green" policies :eek2: :lol:.
It is the type of green that a plant has when it is newly emergent and very delicate. It signifies extreme agitation more than anything :D
It's the opposite of "dry", so quite potent and here to take over.
 

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Zaporizhzhia: Russian strikes forced nuclear reactor closure, operator says​

The operator of the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant in Ukraine says parts of the facility were "seriously damaged" by Russian military strikes, forcing the closure of one reactor.
There was still a risk of radioactive leaks, Enerhoatom warned.
Moscow said Ukraine carried out the attack, but the EU has condemned Russia's actions at the plant.
Russia seized the Zaporizhzhia plant - the biggest in Europe - in March but kept its Ukrainian employees.
Ukraine accuses Russian forces of firing rockets at civilian areas from the site, employing "terror tactics".
Friday's strikes "caused a serious risk for the safe operation of the plant", Enerhoatom wrote on Telegram, adding that a power cable had been damaged, forcing one of the reactors to stop working.

The BBC was unable to verify the reported damage at the nuclear plant.
However, the EU has hit out at Moscow over the latest shelling with the bloc's top diplomat, Josep Borrell, saying it "condemns Russia's military activities" around the plant.
"This is a serious and irresponsible breach of nuclear safety rules and another example of Russia's disregard for international norms," he said, and called for the UN's nuclear watchdog - the IAEA - to be granted access to the plant.
The head of the IAEA this week said the plant was "completely out of control".
Russian forces hold the plant and surrounding areas, close to Ukrainian-held territory. It consists of six pressurised water reactors and stores radioactive waste.

Civilians in nearby Nikopol, which lies across the river and is still under Ukrainian control, told the BBC that the Russians were firing rockets from the area around the plant and moving military hardware into the compound.

Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky said on Friday that "any bombing of this site is a shameless crime, an act of terror".
The plant is in the city of Enerhodar, in the south-east of Ukraine along the left bank of the River Dnieper (Dnipro in Ukrainian).
The UK defence ministry says Russia is using the area to launch attacks - taking advantage of the "protected status" of the nuclear power plant to reduce the risk of overnight attacks from Ukrainian forces.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62449982
 

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By the way, it's the same nuclear plant, which is located on Russia-controlled territory and according to WSJ was turned into military base.
Obviously, it was damaged by "Russian" military strikes.
 

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Obviously, it was damaged by "Russian" military strikes.
It could have been a missile that misfired and/or went off course. Without more information on what caused the damage i really can't say. I mean was it a missile or a shell?
Bottom line, using a nuclear plant to launch artillery strikes from is just asking for trouble.
 

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It could have been a missile that misfired and/or went off course. Without more information on what caused the damage i really can't say. I mean was it a missile or a shell?
Bottom line, using a nuclear plant to launch artillery strikes from is just asking for trouble.
Or it could be that BBC is just unable to put into headline that the plant was damaged by Ukrainian fire and not Russian.
And instead references Ukrainian officials who routinely blame Russia in shelling its own controlled territory on dozens of occasions.
Just latest two were a missile strike in Elenovka colony and laying anti-personnel mines in center of Donetsk.

Couple of days ago, a funeral ceremony of DPR colonel Olga Kachura was targeted by artillery strike in center of Donetsk, several people were killed including civilian passerbys.
Guess who Ukrainians blamed for attack?
 
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