[RD] Russia invades Ukraine V: The Turning Tide

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In other news, another striking example of what seems to be the typical behaviour of occupation troops in Mother Russia :
Olga Zenkova, a Russian journalist, went to Ukraine to record a propaganda piece. She was noticed by Kadyrov's nephew and his men, who beat up her cameraman and raped her. And seemingly they were turned away when they tried to ask for help from the authorities here. Let's imagine what the regular Ukrainian life must be under these goons when they even treat their own like that.
(but remember, it's all justified and Russia is righteous because there were civilian deaths while the Ukrainians were defending themselves from an invasion, only Russia has the right to kill civilians !)
And if she reports it, she will be arrested for insulting the army.
 
You don't have that luxury.

The luxury to carefully weigh the options, calculate the effects and avoid ill-thought out measures ?

Sure we do - we are 2000 km from the front line, and the Russian army is going nowhere, we should not operate to the enemies timetable, but our own.
 
Good breakdown
Basicly NATO realised that the best tank for Ukraine was Leopard2, but Germany didnt want to be targeted so it had to be a consensuses by all NATO members to release the Tanks

Your fuel analysis afterwards has one problem though. We could supply them the fuel products in the quantity needed to support those Abrams.

But of course we won't do it for domestic pricing reasons. And the fact that there is still a diesel shortage here in the United States keeping food prices high. Official narrative is "price gouging" of course, but let's be honest it's Biden's "green new deal".
 
It's all political, Biden will only take the risk of raising fuel prices after he has won reelection. He won't risk jeopardizing his bid by inducing an economic recession beforehand. Afterwards both fuel and the equipment that will use said fuel will be unleashed by Ukraine.

Let's see, the election is two years from now. So that's at least two more years of required fighting on top of the already fought previous year, and then about one year (including shipping delays (6 months to ship, 6 months to win)) to finally win the war on Ukraine's terms once everything is unleashed post reelection.

In total about four years of war as I predicted, and not because Slavs enjoy fighting, but rather democratic election cycles creating the political incentives (perverse incentives I may add) to kick the can down the road and win at a more politically appropriate time when one doesn't have to worry anymore about garnering votes (and also because they worry that if Republicans win they may choose to negotiate an end to the war on Russia's terms and there is no absolute guarantee that if stuff is unleashed now that it will be wrapped up within two years before election time, plus such unleashing would induce a fuel recession to increase a likely Republican victory).

He could also renege on the Green New Deal, throw a bone to the oil companies and hope they pump. However this helping out of fossil fuel corporations would hurt his support among his own leftist base, causing many environmentalists to simply not show up and vote, thus giving Republicans the edge. So if he were to do this option it would also have to wait after reelection, hence the stalling and delays.

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The luxury to carefully weigh the options, calculate the effects and avoid ill-thought out measures ?

Sure we do - we are 2000 km from the front line, and the Russian army is going nowhere, we should not operate to the enemies timetable, but our own.
If Putin can afford it, he will continue. If he can't, he can't. So the Russian government finances matter since it directly determines whether it can afford its war. Or else we wouldn't bother with sanctions to begin with.
 
It's all political, Biden will only take the risk of raising fuel prices after he has won reelection. He won't risk jeopardizing his bid by inducing an economic recession beforehand. Afterwards both fuel and the equipment that will use said fuel will be unleashed by Ukraine.

Let's see, the election is two years from now. So that's at least two more years of required fighting on top of the already fought previous year, and then about one year (including shipping delays (6 months to ship, 6 months to win)) to finally win the war on Ukraine's terms once everything is unleashed post reelection.

In total about four years of war as I predicted, and not because Slavs enjoy fighting, but rather democratic election cycles creating the political incentives (perverse incentives I may add) to kick the can down the road and win at a more politically appropriate time when one doesn't have to worry anymore about garnering votes (and also because they worry that if Republicans win they may choose to negotiate an end to the war on Russia's terms and there is no absolute guarantee that if stuff is unleashed now that it will be wrapped up within two years before election time, plus such unleashing would induce a fuel recession to increase a likely Republican victory).

He could also renege on the Green New Deal, throw a bone to the oil companies and hope they pump. However this helping out of fossil fuel corporations would hurt his support among his own leftist base, causing many environmentalists to simply not show up and vote, thus giving Republicans the edge. So if he were to do this option it would also have to wait after reelection, hence the stalling and delays.
Uhm...no. The current administration has already issued more drilling licenses than during the Trump maladministration. And it should be noted that two years ago, crude prices were in the NEGATIVE. Most drilling companies in North America shut down field operations for most of 2020 and 2021 before finally getting back to work. There are issues with refineries, but the real reason gasoline is more expensive is oil companies making up for two bad years, plus their normal process of jacking up prices just to boost profits.

I worked for Halliburton for 10 years before getting laid off in 2021. It's all capitalism.
 
More Americans say the United States has provided too much aid to war-torn Ukraine, a shift in opinion due in large part to a growing partisan divide, according to the Pew Research Center’s latest polling.

As Russia’s invasion approaches its first anniversary, Americans largely back some sort of aid, but support for the Biden administration’s approach is fading, especially among Republicans, according to the survey released Tuesday. The poll found that about a quarter of Americans now say the United States is providing too much support to Ukraine, up six percentage points since September and 19 points since March, shortly after the war began. Meanwhile, 31 percent say it is giving the right amount. One-fifth of Americans would like to see the United States give Ukraine additional assistance, according to the poll conducted Jan. 18 to 24 among 5,152 U.S. adults. Over 20 percent said they were not sure.
 

Former Wagner commander describes brutality and incompetence on the frontline​

By Muhammad Darwish, Katharina Krebs and Tara John, CNN
Updated 9:26 PM EST, Mon January 30, 2023

Oslo, NorwayCNN —
A former Wagner mercenary says the brutality he witnessed in Ukraine ultimately pushed him to defect, in an exclusive CNN interview on Monday.

Wagner fighters were often sent into battle with little direction, and the company’s treatment of reluctant recruits was ruthless, Andrei Medvedev told CNN’s Anderson Cooper from Norway’s capital Oslo, where he is seeking asylum after crossing that country’s arctic border from Russia. “They would round up those who did not want to fight and shoot them in front of newcomers,” he alleges. “They brought two prisoners who refused to go fight and they shot them in front of everyone and buried them right in the trenches that were dug by the trainees.”

More at link.

Advocacy groups say prisoners who enlisted were told their families would receive a pay-out of five million rubles ($71,000) if they died in the war.
But in reality “nobody wanted to pay that kind of money,” Medvedev said. He alleged that many Russians who died fighting in Ukraine were “just declared missing.”


I guess that would work, too
 
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Interesting to compare that polling with that before the USA became a proper combatant in 1941

Also interesting how Germans who were unaware of their Nazi's attrocities supported Germany and hoped Germany would win.

Now Russians being very aware of their Nazi's attrocities simply ignore it, support Russia and hope Russia will win.

Nationalism sucks.

SIe wussten es, aber es war ihnen egal
 
The questions are not really the same.
10.05.40 and before - "Should we declare war on Germany?"
22.06.40 and after - "Should we help England even at the risk of getting into the war?"
They need not be. The wars are 80 years apart. What the earlier polls show is that as ongoing circumstances change, peoples attitudes about things also change. Attitudes changed after Feb 24, 2022. Attitudes changed after Mariupol fell. Attitudes changed after Ukraine's fall offensive. they will change again too.
 
They need not be. The wars are 80 years apart. What the earlier polls show is that as ongoing circumstances change, peoples attitudes about things also change. Attitudes changed after Feb 24, 2022. Attitudes changed after Mariupol fell. Attitudes changed after Ukraine's fall offensive. they will change again too.
Events were different, but according to the polls support for giving more aid to Ukraine consistently falls.
 
Events were different, but according to the polls support for giving more aid to Ukraine consistently falls.
The WW2 polls spanned 3 years or so. The Ukrainian war is less than a year old and the earliest poll is from March 2022. The fact that 25% currently say that the US is giving too much support doesn't mean much. "Too much" means that they approve of some level of support, but just the current amount. Also we don't know if they mean dollar wise or equipment wise. Or which equipment they prefer gifted.
 
The WW2 polls spanned 3 years or so.
And during these years, different questions were asked, as I pointed out already. Changes in poll results back then were not necessary caused by change in attitude, but rather change in question formulation.
Also, important events were happening, such as Pearl Harbor.
The Ukrainian war is less than a year old and the earliest poll is from March 2022. The fact that 25% currently say that the US is giving too much support doesn't mean much. "Too much" means that they approve of some level of support, but just the current amount. Also we don't know if they mean dollar wise or equipment wise. Or which equipment they prefer gifted.
It's about dynamics. Absolute numbers may not mean much, until they do.
 
Even before the United States entered World War II in December 1941, America sent arms and equipment to the Soviet Union to help it defeat the Nazi invasion. Totaling $11.3 billion, or $180 billion in today’s currency, the Lend-Lease Act of the United States supplied, inter alia:

400,000 jeeps & trucks
14,000 airplanes
8,000 tractors
13,000 tanks
1.5 million blankets
15 million pairs of army boots
107,000 tons of cotton
2.7 million tons of petrol products
4.5 million tons of food


So far, Biden admin has provided ~25bn dollars worth of security assistance to Ukraine, or less than 15% in comparison.

"Dynamics" tell us cleaning rashist invaders out of Ukraine is going to be cheap enough.
 
And during these years, different questions were asked, as I pointed out already. Changes in poll results back then were not necessary caused by change in attitude, but rather change in question formulation.
Also, important events were happening, such as Pearl Harbor.

It's about dynamics. Absolute numbers may not mean much, until they do.
Yes. a couple percent change in poll results can be just because of a difference in the wording on the question, it could be 'margin of errror', or could be trending of opinion. Some people change their opinion over time because of various possible explanations, which could be anything from the cost (or potential cost) in money, lives lost, their own nation's security, what the TV is telling them (biased, propaganda, etc.), time that has passed, potential for victory or defeat, and yes, major events like the draft and Pearl Harbor is going to shift attitudes in major ways.

At one time, Republicans were the most vocal that Biden should do more. Now they are the most vocal that Biden should do less. There is some republicans who will never be happy (Biden's a democrat, so he's always wrong, so they will always say "Not enough" or "too much"). Obviously one of the effects of increasing support is eventually you will change the opinion of some "Not enough" voters.

So how are opinions of the war in Russia, and how has that changed over the course of the war? Not as much data on that, you know because you need a pesky thing called 'free press' to have reliable numbers on that. "Fear for their safety in how they answer the poll questions" is not a concern for Americans in answering polls, unlike Russians.

 
Meanwhile IMF predicts Russian economy returns back to growth in 2023-2024 :D
There are varied factors beyond a simple GDP up-or-down:

First, the GDP itself, is that growth in the private sector providing goods and services for the Russian people and improving the country's capital stock? Is it expense by the government investing in needed infrastructure, research? Or, is it going to arms production?

Second, if the growth is being done in a significant part by increasing the military budget, who will pay for it? Is there going to be a tax hike, a spike in inflation, or does the government use its export revenues from state-owned business?

Third, if there is going to be an expansion of the state and will be paid for via export revenues, what's on the horizon for the government's budget? We'll see how things go especially with the critical oil and gas revenues, but my impression at the moment is that Russia will not see a significant increase in revenue collection.
 
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