saamohod
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Their mistake was not considering a major obstacle in their glorious stride for Lisbon, which is Bakhmut.
[RD] Russia Invades Ukraine: War News Thread: Round 6
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Lexicus
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The Soviet conventional invasion of Europe wouldn't have worked no matter what. If they had overwhelmed conventional NATO forces on the ground NATO doctrine was to nuke the crap out of them.
Remorseless1
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More realistically, most of the Soviet mech would run out of fuel somewhere close to Bremen...
In every conflict the Soviets/Russians have fought over the last 75 years have shown exceptional logistical breakdowns. A 1980s war in central Europe would have been no different
In every conflict the Soviets/Russians have fought over the last 75 years have shown exceptional logistical breakdowns. A 1980s war in central Europe would have been no different
thetrooper
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So russia is going to run the UN security council this month? Can’t make up horsehocky like this?
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Specifically, as a member on the Security Council, Russia assumes the rotating presidency. The role of President of the Security Council shouldn't be confused with the role of the Secretary-General. The President of the Security Council is a largely administrative role, such as chairing meetings of the council expressing the consensus of the body to the public. They have a limited role in setting the agenda of the Security Council, but should a simple majority wish to raise a topic, the President is unable to stop it.
As a bit of an aside because the function and role of the Security Council is an interest of mine, a thought experiment. Suppose there is a long-lost article of the UN Charter that reads "If Russian tanks are ever in Ukraine, Russia is removed from the Security Council" and Russia is removed. What changes? Looking solely at the P5, China is on the Council and are supremely unlikely to give consensus to UN sanctions, especially considering several major countries like South Africa and India are continuing to trade with Russia. (India was on the Security Council in 2022). Nothing in the UN Charter prevents a country from taking independent action, so anyone who wants to impose sanctions on Russia can do so unilaterally. Indeed, nothing in the UN Charter prevents any member state from declaring themselves a co-belligerent of Ukraine and sending forces to fight alongside Ukraine.
thetrooper
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I understand what you’re saying but still stand by this being bad taste.
If it's okay when Russia does it, I firmly expect you to never moan about "the West" again.The country which invades the others, running the Security Council? Absolutely unprecedented in history!
Noting hypocrisy only works if you agree with this being bad. Otherwise it's fine for the people you don't like too
Verbose
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Invasion of a sovereign nation not already under some form of UN sanctions IS unprecedented.The country which invades the others, running the Security Council? Absolutely unprecedented in history!
There were and are no UN sanctions on Ukraine. Just a Russian invasion. Because Russia's ultimatums to the US and NATO were not acceded to.
Edit: Thinking through it, in fact the analogy to Russia's invasion of Ukraine is Iraq's invasion of Kuwait in 1990. That is the precedent. In order to arrive at a somewhat analogue situation to the US invasion of Iraq it would require several more turnings of the screw. To arrive at that, one would have to assume a future scenario where Russia has been forced to evacuate Ukraine, and around 2034 China decides to invade Russia, citing Russia's 2022 invasion of Ukraine as the pretext for doing so. Funny world this...
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FriendlyFire
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Oblast government ran out of rubles to pay ?
Maxim thinks that there is likely to be one more round of passive Mobolization possible, then it will become much harder to replenish Russian manpower. I cant imagine to many volunteers are signing up anynore
Maxim thinks that there is likely to be one more round of passive Mobolization possible, then it will become much harder to replenish Russian manpower. I cant imagine to many volunteers are signing up anynore
'Empty Promises': Wives Of Russian Soldiers Fighting In Ukraine Say Pay Is Not What Was Promised
“He asks about pay, but only receives empty promises.there’s been no money coming in for two months now,
According to official information, the starting salary for a Russian soldier fighting in Ukraine is around 195,000 rubles ($2,535) a month -- nearly 14 times higher than the median salary in some regions of Russia.
“I wrote everywhere. But he is not alone. Everyone who left with him is not receiving [pay] as well,” Yulia said.
'Empty Promises': Wives Of Russian Soldiers Fighting In Ukraine Say Pay Is Not What Was Promised
More and more Russian soldiers fighting in Ukraine are complaining of not receiving their salaries on time, in full, or at all, leaving their wives at home to struggle with getting by and, in many cases, raising kids.www.rferl.org
Why Do Russians Still Want to Fight?
Opinion | Why Do Russians Still Want to Fight?
The war in Ukraine may be a horror, but it’s also an opportunity.
One obvious reason is fear. Men called up to the army have no choice but to obey, because opposition to the war has effectively been outlawed. In such a stifling atmosphere, fed by wall-to-wall propaganda, it’s perhaps unsurprising that discontent seems thin on the ground. Yet while fear and repression shape responses to the war, that doesn’t explain the readiness — willingness, even — of some Russian men to serve at the front. About 36 percent of Russian men are content to be conscripted, with the most supportive group being men age 45 or older.
That’s no accident. In the three decades since the end of the Soviet Union, those men have faced industrial collapse, the disappearance of millions of jobs and declining life expectancy. The war promises to change that downward trajectory, transforming the losers of the past three decades into new heroes — even if dead or wounded. For many Russian men and their families, the war may be a horror. But it’s also the last opportunity to fix their lives.
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That surely explains its appeal to those from lower social classes. While some of the urban middle and upper classes have expressed their discontent with the war by emigrating, the poorer sections of Russian society see things differently. Mistrust of the rich, belief that sanctions actually strengthen the economy and disdain for émigrés all attest to a class-based experience of the conflict. By participating in the war, millions of Russians at the bottom of the social ladder can emerge as the country’s true heroes, ready for the ultimate sacrifice. The risk may be grave and the financial reward uncertain. But the chance to rise in esteem and respect makes the effort worthwhile.
Zardnaar
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Possibly new number 1 contender for turret toss Olympics.
Good 6-7 seconds of air time.
Good 6-7 seconds of air time.
aelf
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I think all this is just copium - splitting hairs to make it seem more positive than it is.
If you define "support" as being cheerleaders of Russia, then, sure. But does Russia's cause need cheerleaders? Or just people who are indifferent enough to let Russia grind down Ukraine eventually?
And even if the 1/3 of the world is steadfast enough to see it to the end and Russia loses. What do you think the narrative will be like in the 2/3 of the world after that? That justice has prevailed? I doubt it. It's going to be something along the lines of "NATO/the West imposes its will on weaker countries once again."
That's what I mean.
For many Africans, Americans and Asians are Hitler and Stalin just greatest leaders of its countries without negative connotations. See civ 1, where was Stalin leader of Russia.
This doesnt mean that they are unable to see ethics and shameful display of their countries during the war.
I guess they will more likely try to erase it from history than make from it the case against west. It is also hard to swallow for anybody with average iq.
This doesnt mean that they are unable to see ethics and shameful display of their countries during the war.
I guess they will more likely try to erase it from history than make from it the case against west. It is also hard to swallow for anybody with average iq.
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Broken_Erika
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Cafe explosion in St Petersburg kills military blogger
An explosion in a St Petersburg cafe has killed prominent Russian military blogger Vladlen Tatarsky, Russia's Interior Ministry has confirmed.At least 16 people were injured in the Street Bar Cafe explosion, police say.
Videos posted on social media show an explosion and injured people on the street. It is not clear who was responsible for the blast.
Vladlen Tatarsky (real name Maxim Fomin) was a vocal supporter of Russia's war in Ukraine.
He had reported from the Ukraine frontline and gained particular notoriety last year after posting a video filmed inside the Kremlin in which he said "We will defeat everyone, we will kill everyone, we will rob everyone as necessary. Just as we like it."
The occasion for that was a Kremlin ceremony hosted by President Vladimir Putin, who proclaimed Russia's annexation of four partly-occupied regions of Ukraine. That land grab was internationally condemned. St Petersburg is President Putin's home city, where he first rose to prominence.
Interior Ministry sources quoted by Russia's RIA news agency said a bomb was hidden in a statue presented to Tatarsky in a box as a gift.
The cafe targeted on Sunday was previously owned by Yevgeny Prigozhin, the head of Russia's notorious Wagner mercenary group, the St Petersburg news site Fontanka reports.
Tatarsky's following on Telegram numbers more than 500,000. He and other military bloggers have criticised aspects of the Russian campaign in Ukraine.
A group called Cyber Front Z, calling itself "Russia's information troops" on Telegram, said it had hired out the cafe for the evening.
"There was a terrorist attack. We took certain security measures but unfortunately they were not enough," its post on Telegram said. "Condolences to everyone who knew the excellent war correspondent and our friend Vladlen Tatarsky," it said.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65155075
Edmund Ironside
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Narrative in the pro Ukraine 1/3 = Justice prevailed!
Narrative in the pro Russia 1/3 = Nazism prevailed!
Narrative in the neutral 1/3 = meh!
saamohod
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This guy was better known than Dugin's daughter btw. And as in the case with her there is a good chance that his assassination was performed by the FSB.
He was sentenced to prison in 2011 in Donetsk for bank robbery, but when Donetsk fell into Russia's hands he was released and his new career started.
Sadly this patriot didn't live up to the moment when "Russia bent Europe over doggy-style" (his own words)
Spoiler :
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Zardnaar
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Not convinced it's FSB. Explosion us very public and in SPB one of two cities the government cares about.
Explosion means FSB failef to prevent it in a prestige city.
Falling out a window after killing family seems more their thing. Who knows.
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