[RD] Russia Invades Ukraine: War News Thread: Round 6

[Ziggy Stardust]

True, but that's not the point I was making. I was pointing how someone consider it fine to bomb Ukrainian cities, but unacceptable to the point of nuclear escalation to have the bombed guys doing exactly the same.

Oh, I know the answer to that one.

When Ukraine kills Ukrainians, someone is outraged.
When Russia kills Ukrainians, it's propaganda, Ukraine did it to make Russia look bad, Russia had no choice but to invade and kill Ukrainians, and it's actually NATO's fault for existing, Russia said it would liberate Ukrainians, but didn't say how, a dead Ukrainian is a free Ukrainian.

 

[red_elk]

Almost a year after being killed by Ukraine, Lt. General Andrey Mordvichev has been appointed as commander of Central military district.

Lieutenant General Mordvichev to command Russia’s Central Military District troops

Colonel General Alexander Lapin served as commander of the Central Military District troops in 2017-2022

tass.com

But we remember: Ukraine doesn't lie, it "boosts morale of its troops"!

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Look ma! Hyperbole!

 

[saamohod]

But we remember: Ukraine doesn't lie, it "boosts morale of its troops"!

Arestovich isn't Ukraine.
In case you missed it, he was fired from his position for spreading unverified information which was later used by Russian propaganda, yourself included.

I honestly find frightening the amount of idiots in the general population. It's nothing new, populism, tankies equivalent and the like have always existed. But it really paints a depressive picture of mankind.

TBH I did see those poll numbers as quite good. The vast majority of West's public sees the things the way they really are.

 

[Akka]

TBH I did see those poll numbers as quite good. The vast majority of West's public sees the things the way they really are.

About one full third of people manage to think that Russia isn't the main party to blame for an outright invasion. That's not something I can find positive.

 

[Snowygerry]

question:
I thought sanctions were supposed to stop countries from pursuing certain courses of action beforehand, but Russia has already invaded Ukraine, so...what's the point? I mean, they're there already; I don't think they'll be "starved" out of there unless their supply lines are actually cut, i.e. blown up.
Sanctions won't always work everywhere, right?

They're designed to slowly squeeze them out of the European market without causing too much hassle to ourselves, and of course hinder their production of high tech weapons.

On both counts they are working as intended.

 

[Lexicus]

About one full third of people manage to think that Russia isn't the main party to blame for an outright invasion. That's not something I can find positive.

Not too surprising, it's roughly the same proportion of people in the US who are still fans of Donald Trump after he tried to overthrow the government.

 

[Joij21]

About one full third of people manage to think that Russia isn't the main party to blame for an outright invasion. That's not something I can find positive.

Everything works in thirds man. Remember the war in heaven? I do!

One third of all the angels joined Lucifer in his rebellion against God, and all were cast out like lightning from heaven!

 

[Thorgalaeg]

There is always a % of losers who blame his own inadequacy on whatever they identify with "the system" (which is in fact the essential set of rules any society is based on), so they root for anything they wrongly identify as not being "the system". It is the same people who votes extremist fascist/communist parties, think vaccination is bad, coronavirus is an invention, Earth is flat or official historigraphy is 500 years too long. Usually they have an incomplete education and need to believe such foolish things to differentiate of others and to feel smarter and somehow relevant. Therefore they support anything the majority doesn't, be it Russia murdering Ukrainians or an army of brain hungry zombies taking over the world, it doesn't matter.

 

[9gkj548hkm20vk79dj689bnj4]

They're designed to slowly squeeze them out of the European market without causing too much hassle to ourselves, and of course hinder their production of high tech weapons.

On both counts they are working as intended.

I guess sanctions are "working" in that something is indeed happening, but have there been any practical frontline effects to it? Like, are Russian units going hungry or something? Are they abandoning their positions because of lack of supplies?

They might be hampering the nation of Russia in toto, but not their side of the conflict, and there have been plenty of reasons to impose sanctions while Putin has been in power all these years anyway...
All this could've been done when they went into Georgia, too.

 

[IgrOK[SU]]

(talking only about the "confirmed" casualities - by social media and news analysis)

"Confirmed casualties began to rise substantially as early as mid-December. Throughout 2022, Russian sources routinely reported about 250-300 deaths each week. In January these figures doubled.

But in just two weeks in February, the BBC Russian Service, together with the media outlet Mediazona (recognized in Russia as a "foreign agent") and a team of volunteers managed to confirm the names of 1,679 dead, which is five times the usual weekly figures. This is the largest increase in Russian military casualties since the invasion of Ukraine."

В пять раз больше, чем обычно: что известно о потерях России в Украине к середине февраля - BBC News Русская служба

На основе открытых источников Би-би-си удалось установить имена 14 709 российских военных, погибших на войне в Украине. В ходе последних 14 дней число подтвержденных потерь в пять раз превысило обычные еженедельные цифры. Это может быть следствием наступления, которое Россия начала в Донбассе.

www.bbc.com

 

[Verbose]

I guess sanctions are "working" in that something is indeed happening, but have there been any practical frontline effects to it? Like, are Russian units going hungry or something? Are they abandoning their positions because of lack of supplies?

They might be hampering the nation of Russia in toto, but not their side of the conflict, and there have been plenty of reasons to impose sanctions while Putin has been in power all these years anyway...
All this could've been done when they went into Georgia, too.

Would have, could have, should have... and hindsight is always 20/20. Beginning with how the US should never have tried that 2009-13 "reset/overload" with the US it did after Georgia in 2008 – ...we know can conclude.

This Russian government is now in power to conduct this war it started. The Russian economy is now a war economy, and that war is The Major National Project of Russia under present management. If at all possible, the war will get what it needs as long as Russia can afford and provide it. It has first dibs on everything in Russia. Until Russia actively just runs out of most everything, the war itself is the last place we will notice deficits.

 

[red_elk]

Arestovich isn't Ukraine.
In case you missed it, he was fired from his position for spreading unverified information which was later used by Russian propaganda, yourself included.

I don't watch Arestovich. Can only comment fake news discussed in these threads.
Polish tractor hit by "Russian" missile, tweets about stolen toilets, ghost of Kiev, resurrected generals, etc.
"boosting morale" was from Ziggy's post, not from Arestovich either.

 

[Joij21]

Would have, could have, should have... and hindsight is always 20/20. Beginning with how the US should never have tried that 2009-13 "reset/overload" with the US it did after Georgia in 2008 – ...we know can conclude.

This Russian government is now in power to conduct this war it started. The Russian economy is now a war economy, and that war is The Major National Project of Russia under present management. If at all possible, the war will get what it needs as long as Russia can afford and provide it. It has first dibs on everything in Russia. Until Russia actively just runs out of most everything, the war itself is the last place we will notice deficits.

Aye! WW1 all over again! Another Tzar included!

But who is Rasputin???

 

[Joij21]

I don't watch Arestovich. Can only comment fake news discussed in these threads.
Polish tractor hit by "Russian" missile, tweets about stolen toilets, ghost of Kiev, resurrected generals, etc.
"boosting morale" was from Ziggy's post, not from Arestovich either.

People feel like they have a sacred duty to raise morale. Or else we'll have to fight Putin next ourselves, so the thinking goes.

That means a little fake news here and there doesn't hurt. Especially if it helps the brave defenders of Ukraine fight in our stead.

 

[red_elk]

That means a little fake news here and there doesn't hurt. Especially if it helps the brave defenders of Ukraine fight in our stead.

Precisely like I said:

Ukraine doesn't lie, it "boosts morale of its troops"!

 

[Joij21]

Precisely like I said:

Well aren't you too trying to boost the morale of your troops?

I mean you don't seem to be fighting right now your still posting.

Therefore in order to stay posting on CFC it is your sacred duty to ensure your comrades win the fight before it's your turn!

 

[saamohod]

Polish tractor hit by "Russian" missile, tweets about stolen toilets, ghost of Kiev, resurrected generals, etc.

You forgot to add Bucha executions to your list of untruths.

The (in)famous 3-hr long video of Russian soldiers sending stolen goods from Belarus after their retreat from Kyiv. A nasty Ukrainian fabrication. Almost the same level of disgrace as your favorite Ghost of Kyiv

 

[IgrOK[SU]]

In Tuva, the family of a Russian mobilized man who died in Ukraine received as a gift... dumplings and a poster.

 

[red_elk]

Well aren't you too trying to boost the morale of your troops?

Everything I post here is truth, to the best of my knowledge.

You forgot to add Bucha executions to your list of untruths.

No, I keep in mind that any Ukrainian investigation can be another "morale-booster"