[RD] Russia Invades Ukraine: War News Thread: Round 6

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Doubt Swedish military 'provided' this politician, she volunteered on her own. (Swedish military had no say in this).

From US, a Kennedy (grandson of rfk) volunteered in ukraine for a bit, another Kennedy (son of rfk, nephew of jfk) spouts Russian propaganda every chance he gets.
Edit: yes, the two 'opposites' are father/son.


 
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Did I? Strange, because I don't think my president is right in everything.

Weird how our Russian Friend posted articles on how HIGH the Russian support for the war in Ukraine is
Dose he not remember when Russian attacks kept slaughtering Ukrainian civilians, it wasnt a problem because "Russians dont deliberately target civilians"
For the last year have you NOT seen the Ukrainian towns of Bakhmut ? Mariupol ? Severdonestk ? Karhkiv ? Lyman, Popsana, Izum, and so on.
 
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It is in fact not that difficult to adapt advanced fire and forget weapons as the Storm Shadow to old platforms as the Su-24 as it is entirely an autonomous missile and doesn't need to interact in any way with the carrying airplane beyond a pylon to screw it to and an electrical signal to be launched. Still a pretty remarkable photo.
 
It is in fact not that difficult to adapt advanced fire and forget weapons as the Storm Shadow to old platforms as the Su-24 as it is entirely an autonomous missile and doesn't need to interact in any way with the carrying airplane beyond a pylon to screw it to and an electrical signal to be launched. Still a pretty remarkable photo.
I really like that one, as someone mentioned elsewhere, looks like an uchronia:



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ho, and it may have taken some time to adapt, I remember that old article

Not sure if that's possible, but that could change a few things.


300km range and "Intended targets are command, control and communications; airfields; ports and power stations; AMS/ammunition storage; surface ships and submarines in port; bridges and other high value strategic targets."
 
looks like an uchronia
It is one.


Spoiler :


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‘We Are Going To Do It, and We Are Ready’
BY JAMES MARSON AND EMMA TUCKER

ODESA, Ukraine—Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said he is ready to launch a long-awaited counteroffensive but tempered a forecast of success with a warning: It could take some time and come at a heavy cost. “We strongly believe that we will succeed,” Zelensky said in an interview in this southern port city as his country’s military girded for what could be one of the war’s most consequential phases as it aims to retake territory occupied by Russia. “I don’t know how long it will take,” he told The Wall Street Journal. “To be honest, it can go a variety of ways, completely different. But we are going to do it, and we are ready.”

In a wide-ranging, hourlong discussion, Zelensky said he feared 2024 U.S. elections could bring a less-supportive administration to power, and called on NATO to offer a clear path to membership for Kyiv. He also urged China to try to restrain Russia and said Ukraine urgently needs more U.S.-made Patriot missile-defense systems Ukraine says it stopped Russian missile attack to protect citizens from aerial bombardments and to shield front-line troops. Zelensky acknowledged Russian air superiority on the frontlines, and said a lack of protection from Moscow’s air power means “a large number of soldiers will die” in the counteroffensive. Still, Ukraine is ready to move. “We would like to have certain things, but we can’t wait for months,” he said.
Ukraine’s ground forces are “stronger and more motivated” than the dug-in Russian troops trying to keep their grip on the roughly 20% of Ukraine they hold in the country’s east and south, Zelensky said.
The counteroffensive is a pivotal moment for Zelensky, a 45year-old former actor and comedian whose leadership during the war has propelled him to global prominence. The outcome will shape the contours of Western military backing and diplomatic jockeying over Ukraine’s future. Ukraine’s backers have provided billions in military and financial support that has been essential to Kyiv’s war effort, and calls for Zelensky to seek a peace deal could grow if the counteroffensive fails to deliver a significant breakthrough. During the interview, Zelensky veered from expressions of gratitude to Western supporters for weapons deliveries to words of frustration about their reluctance to give Ukraine greater quantities of powerful arms. His statements reflected the balance he must find between pressing to get what he needs to retain Ukraine’s independence and domestic political support, while not pushing allies too far and eroding their backing.

Zelensky said he was aware that Western leaders sometimes take offense at his harsh tone, but couldn’t understand why, in his view, they were drip-feeding more-advanced arms that they know would protect lives and help Ukraine win. If Ukraine isn’t able to withstand Russia, Zelensky said, “that animal, that beast will develop a taste” for conquest and go further. “Let’s not compare who should be grateful to whom.” Zelensky spoke at a government residence after a day visiting wounded soldiers, meeting military commanders and visiting the port to discuss how to increase exports. Wearing a black T-shirt emblazoned with his country’s name, he looked a touch weary, but perked up when asked how he keeps his spirits up. “There is no place for weakness,” he said. The West has helped train and equip tens of thousands of soldiers to try to strengthen Kyiv’s hand for the counteroffensive. Ukraine repelled a Russian assault on its capital in February 2022 and took back swaths of territory in the northeast and south in two earlier counter-offensives. In recent weeks, Ukraine has stepped up long-range attacks with missiles and drones aimed at crippling Russian supply lines. Ukraine-backed Russian volunteers have staged cross-border raids aimed at forcing Moscow to shift troops from front lines inside Ukraine.

Western officials said they thought Ukraine’s counterattack was imminent, and that Kyiv was waiting for the ground to dry out.
Russian offensive efforts this year have yielded tiny gains, including the capture of the small eastern city of Bakhmut, but cost thousands of lives and strained Moscow’s military.
Ukraine’s Western backers recognize that Kyiv’s own offensive won’t end the war, but want it to demonstrate to Russian President Vladimir Putin the futility of his strategy of digging in and waiting for support for Ukraine to erode, a Western official said.
The Biden administration has committed more than $37 billion in security assistance to Ukraine since the start of Russia’s full-scale invasion and pledged further military aid. European allies have followed. But former President Donald Trump, the leading Republican contender for the 2024 presidential election, declined last month to commit to backing Ukraine, saying he would seek to bring a swift end to the war, without specifying how. Zelensky said he was concerned that any change in administration could affect aid. “In a situation like this, when there is support, you are afraid of changes,” he said. Zelensky said he was perplexed by Trump’s claim he could end the war in 24 hours, as Trump hadn’t done so while in office, when Russia was already occupying Crimea and parts of eastern Ukraine.



‘We strongly believe that we will succeed,’ Ukrainian President Zelensky told The Wall Street Journal in an interview in Odesa. JUSTYNA MIELNIKIEWICZ/ MAPS FOR THE WALL STREET JOURNAL

Biden has an emotional attachment to Ukraine that has underpinned his administration’s support for the country, Zelensky said. Trump’s presidency came before the full-scale invasion, and “I’m not sure how Trump would have acted,” he said.
Still, Ukraine’s president said he was encouraged by bipartisan support in the U.S. and the backing of ordinary citizens, and hoped that both parties and Congress would continue to support Ukraine and pressure any new administration to keep up the assistance. A more immediate concern for Zelensky is to secure a clear path to membership of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization at a summit in Vilnius, Lithuania, in July.

NATO said in 2008 that Ukraine would become a member, but gave no timeline. Kyiv applied for membership last year, but the U.S., the alliance’s unofficial leader, largely has sidestepped talks of how or when Ukraine might join, instead focusing on boosting Kyiv’s security and military strength. Zelensky said some in NATO were unwilling to admit Ukraine owing to fear of Russia. But pressure is growing on the alliance to offer concrete security guarantees and a path to membership.
Zelensky said he didn’t expect Ukraine to join NATO while fighting continued, but wanted a pledge that it would be admitted after the war. “If we are not given a signal in Vilnius, I believe there is no point for Ukraine to be at this summit,” he said. Asked whether he thought he would get such a signal, he replied: “I honestly don’t know.”

Zelensky said he was grateful to Western countries for supplying weapons systems, but that deliveries should be faster and in greater numbers as delays were costing lives.
—Max Colchester contributed to this article.
 
Warlords Ratchet Up Feud Ahead of Offensive
BY THOMAS GROVE
A growing feud between two of Russia’s most powerful warlords has broken out into the open following the withdrawal of the paramilitary Wagner group from eastern Ukrainian flashpoint city Bakhmut, exposing the rifts in Russian President Vladimir Putin’s war machine ahead of an expected Ukrainian offensive.

The rivalry between Wagner founder Yevgeny Prigozhin and Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov highlights some of the first public criticism aimed at Prigozhin, who has become one of the biggest thorns in the Kremlin’s side. His star rose in recent months as his troops slowly captured Bakhmut, but in doing so he spent months accusing the Russian defense ministry of not providing his troops with proper ammunition. Earlier this week, as his troops were pulling out of Bakhmut—to be replaced by Kadyrov’s forces, Prigozhin questioned the ability of the Chechen forces to take all of Ukraine’s Donetsk province. Russia claims the entire province, which it refers to as the Donetsk People’s Republic, or DNR, as its own but still lacks complete control of the territory.
“I think they have the forces for it, but it’s not worth it for them to free all of DNR,” said Prigozhin on Telegram. “They will occupy certain areas.”

The comments started a firestorm among Kadyrov’s loyalists, including his ally Adam Delimkhanov, who threatened Prigozhin to meet in person to clear up misunderstandings about their capabilities. “Of course, Yevgeny, you don’t understand this, and you needn’t understand,” Delimkhanov said in a video. “You can get in touch anytime and name the place where we can meet to explain whatever it is you don’t get.” The deployment of Kadyrov’s troops, which are officially a part of the national guard but answer directly to him, could undermine Prigozhin’s position both on the battlefield and more broadly in Russian society, where he has gained a following for his public, and often expletive-laden, rants against what he called a corrupt and inefficient Russian military.
The use of Kadyrov’s forces could also be a ploy by the Kremlin to escalate the rivalry between the two warlords, who joined forces last year to criticize the Russian defense ministry after regular forces repeatedly failed to strengthen the front lines and allow Ukrainian troops to make significant gains.

Kadyrov, who became leader of Chechnya in 2007, depends wholly on the support of Putin. The public feud gives him a chance to reclaim his place as the president’s loyal foot soldier, a term he uses regularly to describe himself.
 
Still very favourable public opinion on the war in Russia (last row is the latest opinion poll). Russian citizens support the war against Ukraine.
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Still very favourable public opinion on the war is in Russia (last row is the latest opinion poll). Russian citizens support the war against Ukraine.
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The picture you posted is about "Do You Follow the Ukrainian Situation?"

This is the right picture ("Do You Personally Support the Actions of the Russian Armed Forces in Ukraine?"):



Dark blue for "Definitely Yes", light blue for "Rather Yes", orange "Rather No", red "Definitely No"
 
How was that poll undertaken?
Personal interview at home. Levada is usually considered as a reliable source.

Same page also says support for peace negotiations is currently at the lowest point.
And that most people believe the conflict will last for more than 1 year from now.
61% thinks the special operation is going on successfully vs 28% who think it doesn't.
 
Also quite telling is the drop of the war support in Sept-Dec (Ukrainian recapture in Kharkiv and Kherson), and the rise of the war support in Jan-Feb (Russian capture of Soledar and progress towards Bakhmut).
Therefore it becomes very clear how to reduce Russian war support: to make sure Russian army loses.
 
Putin gathering all the help he can possibly get for the difficult times coming. IIRC Stalin did something similar and it kind of worked apparently, this time it should also work in the holy war special military operation against Ukrainian apostates and their satanist western overlords...
 
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Putin gathering all the help he can possibly get for the difficult times coming. IIRC Stalin did something similar and it kind of worked apparently, this time it should also work in the holy war special military operation against Ukrainian apostates and their satanist western overlords...
It did have religious war elements historically. For example a major issue before 2014 was whether the russian patriarch has (nominal) control of the church in Ukraine, or the one in Constantinople.
Religion sucks, but what else is new.
 
Opposition/liberal Russian newspaper (in exile) publishes this dire article. They surveyed their readers about their support for the war.
Unfortunately it's not just Putin.

"Even some readers of Meduza justify the invasion of Ukraine. We asked them to explain why. Here's What Came Out Many of these letters are physically painful to read. Nevertheless, we consider them an important document"


Alexei​

24 years old, Yakutsk

The question [of Meduza about the reasons for supporting the war] is actually raised incorrectly. I do not support the war, but I do not want Russia to lose either. In this case, it will be worse for everyone, and the world to which we are accustomed will now certainly collapse and even greater darkness will come. War is wrong, but losing is unacceptable.

Sergey​

38 years old, city not specified

I do not support war. But unfortunately, at the moment my Motherland (Russia) faces the question of existence. I do not want the collapse, the destruction of my country. I have questions for the instigators of the SVO . But first, the existential question must be resolved.
 
Also notice that the "western propaganda" is so strong that it even is able to take control the the russian propaganda itself :


Russian state propaganda says that they "want to destroy every living thing in the Kharkiv region", to "solve the Ukrainian problem once and for all", but let's be sure that our resident hypocrites will ignore all this by dismissing it away as "western propaganda", even when it comes directly from russian sources.
 
Opposition/liberal Russian newspaper (in exile) publishes this dire article. They surveyed their readers about their support for the war.
Unfortunately it's not just Putin.

"Even some readers of Meduza justify the invasion of Ukraine. We asked them to explain why. Here's What Came Out Many of these letters are physically painful to read. Nevertheless, we consider them an important document"


Alexei​

24 years old, Yakutsk

The question [of Meduza about the reasons for supporting the war] is actually raised incorrectly. I do not support the war, but I do not want Russia to lose either. In this case, it will be worse for everyone, and the world to which we are accustomed will now certainly collapse and even greater darkness will come. War is wrong, but losing is unacceptable.

Sergey​

38 years old, city not specified

I do not support war. But unfortunately, at the moment my Motherland (Russia) faces the question of existence. I do not want the collapse, the destruction of my country. I have questions for the instigators of the SVO . But first, the existential question must be resolved.
I wonder what the supposed mechanism of such existential threat to 'the motherland' consists on. They always talk about it but never concrete about how would it happen concretely and how invading Ukraine was supposed to avert it.
 
I wonder what the supposed mechanism of such existential threat to 'the motherland' consists on. They always talk about it but never concrete about how would it happen concretely and how invading Ukraine was supposed to avert it.
I'm pretty sure this comes from history and the political system. Russia is highly centralized and if the center cannot hold the country falls apart, like it did multiple times in the past 100 years. Putin constantly stresses this also in interviews and other publications. This is the justification also for not going against the will of the ruling party and for reining in discontent.

So basically their political system is fragile and unstable and they use this as justification for the war and repression. Everytime they mess up they want others to pay the price. It's a toxic society.
 
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