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Russia - Tips for Getting Science Up?

Discussion in 'Civ4 - Rhye's and Fall of Civilization' started by deanej, Dec 22, 2010.

  1. deanej

    deanej Deity

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    I'm currently playing as Russia, just got the Siberia goal, and was wondering if anyone could give me tips for increasing my tech rate. I have about 140 turns to get the Apollo Program built. I just gave away four cities in Siberia and will probably give away the other three - though I might keep Kara for the gems and/or the one just to the west of the now-Mongol city (it looks like it might be a decent city). My tech rate seems to be far too slow to get Apollo in time, though I'm building cottages everywhere.
     

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  2. youtien

    youtien Lyricist

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    You don't have to give cities away.

    Get Astronomy before you found cities in Siberia. Tech for communism and electricity(research institute!) then you'll be powerful. All cities will turn out to be useful. There is also a site which has 18 forests in BFC -> national park.
     
  3. blizzrd

    blizzrd Micromanager

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    Research Institutes are the best way to get ahead in tech, but they come later.

    I don't mine any hills as Russia, unless they have a resource, always windmills.

    Slavery is better than Serfdom in my opinion, especially if it allows for whipped (+chopped) tech enhancing buildings like Observatories to be built quickly.

    If your science rate is >50%, don't build a Bank/Marketplace before an Observatory.

    Open borders with more civs. There are two that are willing currently of your known contacts for example. Trade more resources. You can get +11 gold per turn immediately from this. This all obviously helps your economy and may allow an extra 10% for science. Scout the map more, to open up more trade routes with foreign civs. Build Castles.

    University of Sankore is obviously powerful, but you don't seem to have built any wonders. This one is worth making a tech-detour to pick up over most of the others when you are Russia. I typically research towards Engineering (for Castles) and then Paper (for Sankore) as the two key early techs to learn. Then I might think about Literature for the Leaning Tower next, I can usually pick this wonder up before anyone else as it is not apparently too popular with the AI.

    As youtien said, don't build in Siberia so soon. Also, you appear to have given away some of the better Siberian cities and kept the poorer ones.

    I don't know how you managed not to be able to trade for Divine Right with Mali, because I can always do this for Feudalism and Machinery. Weird.

    You are not using espionage. IT can really help your tech rate by supplementing your research with some stolen techs. If you had been dedicating your espionage to either Dutch or France since you first encountered these civs, you would have been able to steal one tech already by my quick calculations. Build an early spy, send to their capital and sit and wait for the maximum discount and your Espionage points to build up.
     
  4. krieger546

    krieger546 Chieftain

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    I've had some hard time getting both Univ of Sankore and Spiral Minaret built as Russia on emperor because the Chinese tend to build the first and Paper takes a lot longer to research. I've settled on building a library in Ryazan ASAP and generating a Great Scientist and bulbing Paper but I still fail in most tries. Also it's more difficult than with Western European civs to hook up stone & marble.
     
  5. blizzrd

    blizzrd Micromanager

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    You don't need Marble for either Sankore or Minaret though, just Stone - which is in the Urals.

    Emperor is not supposed to be easy enough to get both of these wonders, no surprise that it is not easy for you. Given that the posted save was not for an Emperor game and all...
     
  6. G-Max

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    I recommend Viagra.
     
  7. deanej

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    Well, what should I keep, and what should I leave? Currently, I have a few issues:
    -The Siberian cities are a huge drain economically
    -I don't have the means to improve them quickly
    -I can't afford a war - with anyone! Keeping Siberia means risking war with Mongolia, and makes my troops more spread out. Furthermore, my economy can't support a larger military or upgrading the units I have.
    -Akmol needs to go to Mongolia - major war issues if it doesn't.

    Unfortunately, not keeping Siberia means stability problems, and in 1630 Kiev declares independence no matter what.

    Clearly I have a lot to learn about RFC (and BtS in general). But when you rarely have time for a game of civ, what can you do? :(

    I've replayed from the last save before the one I posted. Unfortunately things didn't go quite so well this time - while the last time I was able to get +3 gpt from the Dutch and Spain for resources, I could only get +2 this time. Also, never came into contact with Mali by the last save point. Didn't know Divine Right was worth something - guess I'm still in BtS mode with regard to the techs! I'll keep going, see how it goes - will only give Akmol away this time and see how Kubli Khan responds (thank GOD Genghis is gone... my diplo situation improved massively when Suliman and Kubli appeared, and Mehmed and Genghis hated me). I have some concerns about the city near the horses (though Kubli doesn't seem to want it, so I should be fine).
     
  8. Llama231

    Llama231 Warlord

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    ...Viceroy? Play on "easy" mode, it is much more fun when you have no idea what you are doing. And even if you do know what you are doing, playing god is fun too. And of course the civs that just suck in general.

    If you are already on Viceroy and just really need better research in general, there is no point in keeping most of the Siberian cities for the latter two goals, conquer Europe instead. This seems more like stability issues to me. :/

    Also, beeline Liberalism if you can, then work up the underside of the tech tree and trade (Chemistry, Biology, Medicine, Refrigeration, Ecology).
     
  9. blizzrd

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    I don't think there is a good answer to your current situation. Founding all those cities in Siberia before your economy could handle it wasn't the best idea unfortunately. There is no "instant fix" that would solve.

    I suggest that if Kiev is declaring independence for certain in your game in the mid 1600s, you have a big enough problem to warrant starting over. Try some of the tips in my previous post and see how you go perhaps.
     
  10. deanej

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    I don't think the 30 turns I had would have made much of a difference. I'm not the best at economic management either; I never use Free Market for that reason, because I could never avoid a great depression.

    The instability was from giving away all the Siberian cities (I do mean all; my first move after picking up from the save was to give the rest to France); my expansion stability went WAY down because of it. I saw lots of advice on the forum saying to give them away so I thought it was the right strategy. I did restart from the last save prior to the one posted, but I've only played to the point of the posted save this far.

    I think one of my weaknesses is a profound inability to assess how doing something will affect me long term. I also made the mistake of thinking Russia would be easy because the UHV goals don't need to be completed within 20 turns of spawn time. Didn't think I'd wind up backwards if I didn't put serious effort into getting an economy online. I also don't understand diplo at all, because outside of RFC you can ignore it completely and do very well (at least on the difficulties I play).
     
  11. Jusos2108

    Jusos2108 Deity

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    Like Youtien said you don't have to give those cities away. I personally have done that maybe once or twice, when going for a quick victory, otherwise I always keep them.
     
  12. deanej

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    Indeed. This attempt I'll just get rid of Akmol (it's too close to Mongolia) and hope the rest begin to pull their own weight soon.
     
  13. Bouw

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    i won a russian UHV a couple of days ago
    My advice is to be agressive towards other civs. If they declare war on you and send like 3 trebuchets and a couple of macemen, you can easily take them with 2 knights because of the General Winter UP.
    Also I barely made the colonize siberia objective because i always like to build a lot of stuff in my cities before making settlers. But looking back that might have helped me to stabalize my economy and i already had made a good advancement in tech tree before i even started looking at the Apollo Program objective.
     

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