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Saddam on trial - when, were and for what?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by vonork, Dec 14, 2003.

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Who must judge Saddam ?

  1. The People of Iraq in Baghdad

    40 vote(s)
    41.2%
  2. The USA in Washington

    3 vote(s)
    3.1%
  3. The International Criminal Court in the Hague

    21 vote(s)
    21.6%
  4. The People of Iraq then confirmed by Washington

    6 vote(s)
    6.2%
  5. The People of Iraq then confirmed by the Hague

    17 vote(s)
    17.5%
  6. He shouldn't be judged

    4 vote(s)
    4.1%
  7. Don't know

    1 vote(s)
    1.0%
  8. Other solutions

    5 vote(s)
    5.2%
  1. Kinniken

    Kinniken Riding with William

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    He is exerting his right to a fair defense. It won't stop him from being found guilty and sentenced to a life in prison; it will just ensure that his trial is perceived as fair.
    I hope that whatever trial Saddam gets has a comparable standards.

    What I would prefer would be an ICC-organised trial with a mixture of international judges and local ones, something similar to the East Timor trials. Since the involvement of the ICC is extremely unlikely, a trial run by Iraqis is the best option. I would prefer it to be held in a few years though - Iraq simply does not have the legal infrastructure necessary to hold it now.

    The ICC is a court... How could they have aided the war? :confused: By sending the judges in the front lines with their little hammers?

    All in all, I hope that the trial lives up to the Nuremberg ones.
     
  2. Mr Black

    Mr Black Los Zetas

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    He should be sent all over the place.

    Baghdad, The Hague, Tehran and Kuwait. Everyone should get a piece. Although he might not make it out of Tehran.
     
  3. Marla_Singer

    Marla_Singer United in diversity

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    Actually, Bill Clinton participated to the building of the ICC. He was behind it. Once George W. Bush came in power, he suddenly stopped all negociations and removed the USA from it. Most of newspapers were saying Bush was killing the ICC before its birth ! (Bush did that 2 months after Pennsylvannia Avenue became his new house).
     
  4. Archer 007

    Archer 007 Rebirth

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    The US only doesnt recoginize the ICC because they want everyone else in the world to follow international law except themselves.

    Key phrase in that second paragraph is "Bush propaganda". We all know that Iraq isnt even close to ruling itself.
     
  5. SeleucusNicator

    SeleucusNicator Diadoch

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    Notice I used the present tense in my statement, not the past.
     
  6. SeleucusNicator

    SeleucusNicator Diadoch

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    I agree. The downside to a trial in Iraq would be that it would only fuel the delusions of Iraqi self-government that some high-placed US officials are suffering from.

    However, the only other possibility (trial by the United States), would be potentially harmful to US/Iraqi relations, which are strained as it is, to make an understatement.
     
  7. Archer 007

    Archer 007 Rebirth

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    For a trial to be truly thorough and recorded as such in history, it would have to be fair.
     
  8. Archer 007

    Archer 007 Rebirth

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    Im glad at least one person agrees with me.
     
  9. Kentonio

    Kentonio Monkey Lord of Civ III

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    Personally I think its highly unreasonable to resort to rascist assertions that the Iraqi people are incapable of carrying out fair forms of justice myself, but hey we all have our little foibles.
     
  10. amadeus

    amadeus As seen on OT

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    I'm curious - am I the only one here that isn't concerned about violating this man's "rights?"

    Other than for PR purposes, this guy shouldn't get anything more than a trip to his own human shredder.
     
  11. Simon Darkshade

    Simon Darkshade Mysterious City of Gold

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    They'll grill him a little first.

    He is more likely to be hanged; it is more of a 'criminal' execution than the 'military' firing squad. Certainly makes for better press and headlines.
     
  12. Archer 007

    Archer 007 Rebirth

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    Racist? Seems like another personal attack to me, When did I make a racist point?

    The Iraq people can't give him a fair trial because they are out for blood. I wouldn't trust anyone to do that to their freshly booted dictator
     
  13. Lefty Scaevola

    Lefty Scaevola Moderatus Illuminatus Super Moderator

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    Threads merged
     
  14. amadeus

    amadeus As seen on OT

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    Why not let the Iraqis get their blood? Why does Saddam deserve anything better?
     
  15. GenMarshall

    GenMarshall Blood Elven Ghost Agent

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    Well, I knew that we would capture him some day or another :D. Hmm, I wonder why we did not killed him on sight :hmm:.
     
  16. Bozo Erectus

    Bozo Erectus Master Baker

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    If along the way to exposing his crimes for all future generations to see, he just so happens to get a free trial, I have no objections. The better the case made against him, the tougher it will be for future revisionists (like the current day holocaust deniers) to portray him as a victim of some kind of American/Zionist conspiracy. I dont recognise Saddam as having any human rights worth worrying about for their own sake. He gave up those rights when he decided to butcher his own people and anybody else he could get his hands on.
     
  17. BorgeoisBuffoon

    BorgeoisBuffoon Local Idiot

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    Agreed. Entirely.
     
  18. Archer 007

    Archer 007 Rebirth

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    Why can't we dont an international court process with a judge panel with say, 3 Americans, 3 Iraqis, and 3 people from other nations?
     
  19. SeleucusNicator

    SeleucusNicator Diadoch

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    I suppose we could, assuming the 3 other nations represented cooperated with the US before and during the war.
     
  20. Kentonio

    Kentonio Monkey Lord of Civ III

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    Ah my apologies, you made it sound as if you simply didnt trust an arab state to dispense justice. Now I see that its simply the Iraqi people rather than the arabs as a whole who are apparently incapable of dispensing justice. Thanks for the clarification. Would you mind explaining however what gives the Hague or any other international body the right to hold court over an Iraqi internal matter without their consent?

    The Iraqi people certainly are out for blood, its due to their having just emerged from several decades of severe oppression and cruelty. This is an unusual case whereby guilt and innocence are basically not even in question. He WILL be sentenced to death and the Iraqi people will feel like some small measure of justice has been carried out. If Britain ever falls under the sway of a comparable dictator then i hope the same thing will occur. The only reasonable objection to an Iraqi held trial is if you hold deep personal views against the death penalty. If this is the case for some people then in this instance I would have to tell them to mind their own business and let the Iraqis do what needs to be done, they are the ones who have suffered under this sicko not us, they are therefore the only ones who have any right to decide on his fate.
     

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