Saladin/Other Fanatics just stupid?

[IronicBuddha]

In some of my more recent games I have noticed the crazy AI getting, crazier. Saladin is one of the nuttiest religious fanatics- but this time I actually shared his religion. However I was about 4 times his power rating and had infantry while he still had muskets. I don't really understand what provoked this attack he wasn't anyones vassal either . I still crushed him but I wonder why.

 

[eewallace]

I've found both Saladin and Isabella very likely to attack me when I'm getting close to victory, even if they don't have any chance of winning. Just jealous, I guess!

 

[A_Hamster]

Interesting ... in my experience, Saladin has been the more "moderate" of the religious fanatics. It would be Monty and Izzy who are the frothing lunatics (have to reverse them one of these days in BtS with unrestricted leaders for the historical irony).

Mind, I've only had BtS for three weeks now, so if the AI personalities have been tweaked from vanilla/Warlords I've not noticed them yet. (Besides, in my current game as Justinian of Byzantium I finally got the early rush right and let Gil and Izzy found holy cities, then crushed them. So Izzy didn't last long enough to exhibit any unusual behaviors.)

 

[TheAmerican]

Justinian can be pretty nutty too. Not as bad as Isabella, but having a different religion will absolutly destroy your relations with him. Having the same religion however, will make him instantly friendly. I've had +8 boosts for sharing a religion with him. Crazy stuff.

 

[Navarre]

Yeah, Justinian is a religious nutjob, and a backstabber on top of that. Never trust the guy, no matter how pleased he is with you.

Saladin is more reasonable, but his favourite civic being theocracy can lead him to strange behaviour too. If you're running theocracy in a different religion, he will be cautious, not worst. The stupidest thing I've seen him doing was to run theocracy while he was isolated with no religion : my missionary just killed himself of despair.

 

[Grawss]

Until I see any of these leaders declare war on me just so they can get through my borders to declare war on someone else, nobody matches Montezuma's nuttiness.

He could have just opened borders with me. I'd been trying for ages anyway.

 

[Supr49er]

In my last game I shared a border with Saladin, but not a religion. We got along fine for a long time, then he suddenly attacked. Not as fanatical as Lizzy, since he only demanded I switch religions once, but bad enough.

 

[oranges]

In my last game I shared a border with Saladin, but not a religion. We got along fine for a long time, then he suddenly attacked. Not as fanatical as Lizzy, since he only demanded I switch religions once, but bad enough.

You mean Izzy, Lizzy is a darling

(There is no smiley with the tongue out? Bah!)

 

[Supr49er]

You mean Izzy, Lizzy is a darling

(There is no smiley with the tongue out? Bah!)

Actually you must be psychic, I did mean Izzy.

 

[Ekmek]

I found Izzy to be pretty crazy. And the stacks she sends...

boudica on a bad day is pretty rough. But I think Monty still is the nuttiest.

 

[r_rolo1]

Yeah, Justinian is a religious nutjob, and a backstabber on top of that. Never trust the guy, no matter how pleased he is with you.

Saladin is more reasonable, but his favourite civic being theocracy can lead him to strange behaviour too. If you're running theocracy in a different religion, he will be cautious, not worst. The stupidest thing I've seen him doing was to run theocracy while he was isolated with no religion : my missionary just killed himself of despair.

Why didn't you gifted the missionary? saladin most surely would use it in a city ( Theocracy only prevents unwanted non State religion spread... you or the AI can still spread a non state religion in the civs territory if you want to )

 

[BalbanesBeoulve]

Montezuma isn't a zealot. His shared religion bonuses top off pretty low. I think about +4, which is the same as a lot of non-religoius civs. Compared to Isabella who will easily reach +8.

 

[TheGreatSteve]

Yeah, Monty's just a nutjob, period. Religion will give him some minor pretext to declare, but it's not like he really needs it.

 

[A_Hamster]

Why didn't you gifted the missionary? saladin most surely would use it in a city ( Theocracy only prevents unwanted non State religion spread... you or the AI can still spread a non state religion in the civs territory if you want to )

Perhaps it's just luck of the draw, but I've tried this a few times, and Sally has not used the gifted missionaries.

Oh, how I feel about the nutjobs varies. When I've a large, technologically superior army, they are my favorite punching bags. When just getting started and scouting for the sencond city site, they are unwelcome neighbors.

 

[BalbanesBeoulve]

I love starting next to the zealots. Nothing makes me happier than seeing Isabella be the first civ my warrior finds.

People always complain "oh boo hoo i hate isabella she dowed me when I stupidly decided to switch to confucianism when she and the rest of the continent were buddhist."

When you start next to a zealot you switch to their religion. That's it. Nothing else to think about. you switch to their religion. you now have a best friend instead of an enemy. They'll soon get to friendly and they'll immediately trade you EVERYTHING they discover immediately, unless they're using it for a wonder. If you're buddhist for diplo purposes absolutely nothing is stopping you from spreading your tao or confucian religion for the shrine income. If they're in theocracy you gift them the missionaries.

 

[Navarre]

Why didn't you gifted the missionary? saladin most surely would use it in a city ( Theocracy only prevents unwanted non State religion spread... you or the AI can still spread a non state religion in the civs territory if you want to )

No, I couldn't : "Saladin wouldn't accept this". The dude was dead bent on staying pagan for the whole game. It was a long time ago, probably in Vanilla, so it may have been corrected since then.

 

[r_rolo1]

Oh, vanilla ... they changed that in Warlords 2.08 ( I think that Vanilla 1.74 also has that change ,but I'm not sure )