SANCTA Embassy & Intelligence

Sommerswerd · Aug 23, 2009

Also, Krill and Memphus both contacted me in-game to ask about whether we would stop allocating Espy points to each other as part of the 10 turn Cease-Fire.

I told them both that, No... that was not part of the teams understanding... and I told them both I would ask the team about this.

Memphus commented that they were withdrawing all of their spies from our lands and it would take about 3 turns to get them out. He apologized if any were "caught" while attempting to leave.

Memphus also offered us 1GPT for nothing in game, probably hoping that I wouldn't notice and just agree to it (thereby binding us to peace with them for 10 turns automatically). I asked him about it and he apologized and removed it.

I tried to copy and paste the in-game chat but I could not highlight it fast enough... Anyway, if you want to see it I think there might be some way to log -in and see it in-game (although I don't know how to do it.)

Lastly, Memphus asked for a email response to their treaty proposal, as well as an email memorializing the cease-fire. I told him I would mention both issues to the team.

EDIT: I agreed to a Cease-Fire based on the majority in favor of it.

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Sommerswerd · Aug 23, 2009

Also, Krill(or Memphus) wanted to know if there was a "cooling" off period... :confused:

Basically a cease-fire extension, ie some period of turns where we would agree not to actually attack each other. I just said No, and told him them that I would mention it to the team.

It seems to me that it would mean that after the 10 turn cease fire, we could resume taking non-military aggressive actions towards each other (espy points, spying, culture bombing, etc.) but that military action would still be prohibited. In other words, they could culture bomb us, but we would not be able to attack in retalliation. Again this (2nd paragraph) is not wat they said, just my estimation of what they meant.

We might want to mention it to them specifically that we would consider use of the GA (especially for a culture Bomb) to be a violation of the Cease fire. We might even suggest that using it for a Gol'n Age runs afoul of the cease fire.

How about this...

Dear Ninjas,

We are considering the terms of your Peace treaty and discussing additional terms for our relationship moving forward. In the meantime we have agreed to a Cease-Fire.

We appreciate your agreement to take no hostile actions towards us in return for our promise to do the same. We must now set about defining what actions we consider hostile so that our treaty can progress.

Our people, through the winds of legend and rumor, have been made aware of the one called Raphael, who is known to be an extremely gifted Ninja painter, Architect, and Yoga instructor. We feel that commissioning of his Great Work, in cities near Kazakhstan would unduly influence our people and would thus be a violation of the Cease-Fire.

We also feel that placing Raphael in a position of leadership, whereby he would be able to lead the Ninjas into a Golden Age of enlightenment and cultural awakening, would also be against the spirit of Our Cease-Fire.

We therefore propose, that as part of our Cease fire, Raphael's Great Work immediately be commisioned in a city, located far, far, far away from Kazakhstan. Our people are content to hear of his exploits through the winds of rumor, they do not need to see them first-hand.

We hope you will cooperate with us, and we look forward to continued amicable relations.

Sommerswerd of Kazakhstan

I will send this via PM in 12 hours, if no-one (besides Donsig :sarcasm:

)objects.

Or alternatively, if a majority of those responding approve, I will send it via email.

Kaleb · Aug 23, 2009

Can we have more than 12 hours to send that note? The GA thing is quite a big ask

Kaleb · Aug 23, 2009

btw did we do a Peace Treaty (there by binding us to peace which we can't break even if the culture bomb us) or a cease fire as planned?

Sommerswerd · Aug 23, 2009

Kaleb said:
Can we have more than 12 hours to send that note? The GA thing is quite a big ask

No prob... I said I would send if no one spoke up. You spoke up... so I would say the issue is closed (clock is stopped) at least until we discuss it more or more people weigh in.

I still think this issue is important to do quickly though, because we want them to use the GA elsewhere, hopefully to C-Bomb someone else... (Cavalieros maybe?)

Kaleb said:
btw did we do a Peace Treaty (there by binding us to peace which we can't break even if the culture bomb us) or a cease fire as planned?

Cease-Fire (as planned) not Peace Treaty, we could log in and re-DOW right now if we wanted to.

donsig · Aug 24, 2009

Sommerswerd said:
Cease-Fire (as planned) not Peace Treaty, we could log in and re-DOW right now if we wanted to.

I want to.

Kaleb · Aug 25, 2009

We are going to found our fish city next turn and have a workboat on the way. So SANCTA won't be able to pillage it. Our spy will soon be in position to see what defences they have.

I would have preferred to have started our 10 turns a bit earlier as it will synch better with launching a raid IMO

Sommerswerd · Aug 30, 2009

Can we ask SANCTA for Open Borders so that we can found a city in that mountain pass West of TKY? We can sell it to them as a step towards halting Cavalieros expansion... a goal which they should approve of.

Kaleb · Aug 30, 2009

I'd rather not have OB with them, they have GLH so it will give them a commerce boost

cav scout · Aug 30, 2009

It seems SANCTA used Raphael to start a Golden Age... They will be teching Education in 3 turns at this rate, followed by Philo and then Lib. Oyzar doubts we can get RP... more in the CAV thread shortly.

Sommerswerd · Aug 30, 2009

Well that's good... In the sense that we did not get culture bombed at (ground) Zero.

cav scout · Aug 31, 2009

SANCTA Chat:

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donsig · Aug 31, 2009

Wow, I'm not at all sure I'd want an alliance with SANCTA even if they gave us those two cities. Are we seriously considering this? :confused:

Sommerswerd · Aug 31, 2009

That chat was dripping with a lot of backhanded (and full-fisted) ridicule of how our team has played the game up to this point. They all but came out and said "Gosh you guys suck... Who the heck has been making your decisions?"

As irritating as that is, :mad:

we still have to keep our options open. Someone mentioned the need for us to play "kingmaker" (a while back) between Cavalieros and SANCTA... Maybe the time for us to step into that role has come...

We need help to get back into the game... That is painfully apparent. We need to expand, but we are out of land. We NEED more cities, if we are going to remain competitive. MS has caught up and will soon eclipse us if we don't DO SOMETHING.

The only way we can expand is EITHER at SANCTAs expense OR at Cavalieros expense... That is the cold hard truth. We have to do one or the other, and we have to do it now (or at least very soon).

donsig · Aug 31, 2009

I'd only make a deal with SANCTA if I knew we could double cross them later on. What if we made the deal with SANCTA, got those two cities and then had a phoney war with Team Cav to get some of their land as part of a balance of power deal (with Team Cav)? That would get Team Cav and SANCTA fighting, too. I'm not sure how we'd sell Team Cav on the idea. And yes, I know it's a crazy thought but since we're finally reaching a team concensus on something (the fact that our chances of winning the game are slim and none) what do we have to lose by pursuing crazing ideas?

Sommerswerd · Aug 31, 2009

If we are not switching, we MUST at least threaten Cavalieros with a switch. I would say we should offer them the same deal we are offering SANCTA. They are our allies afterall, and at least deserve a chance to match SANCTA's (hypothetical) offer.

What I mean by the SAME offer is, we should ask Cavalieros to gift us a couple nearby cities... To maintain the balance of power between us. If they balk, delay, or refuse outright, then we tell them that they give us no choice but to join SANCTA. See if that works. Then we can discuss the results.

To be clear... as I have said many, many, many times, I reject the notion that we did not agree to Cavalieros' equal-partners/balance-of-power clause. I know that some on the team buy into the notion that we rejected it. I disagree. We constructively accepted it, through our actions (ie. tech sharing) and so we are entitled to invoke the "balance of power" concept to demand cities from them. I suggest we do so now.

On the other hand, IF we decide to switch... I think that it might be in our best interests to wait until after the Liberalism race is over to do it. That way, we can get the free tech, no matter who wins the race:

1. Get the free tech from Cavalieros and THEN switch sides, or;
2. Get the free tech from SANCTA AFTER we switch sides.

Finally, I really like Donsig's above plan... (worth discussing at least).

damnrunner · Aug 31, 2009

I think we should consider a deal with Sancta.

But we should also push on Cav harder to see if they are willing to help.

If they agree to stop expanding East (they should as they area already suffering pretty severe maintenance costs) and give concrete military support to take TKY, dragon tears, and Zero. Then I would prefer to keep them as allies.

Their empire is practically borders Sancta right now and with engineering they should be able to move units to the front line quite quickly.

cav scout · Aug 31, 2009

If we switch the time to do it is before CAVs turn- this is when Oyzar wants us to gift him Philo and Education. If we switch before gifting we guarantee SANCTA wins the Lib race. SANCTA then uses the bulbs they were going to use for Lib for other techs (gifting everything to us of course) We would suddenly be way ahead of CAV and MS and could start taking their eastern cities.

cav scout · Aug 31, 2009

So it looks like we should send SANCTA a proposal. How about something along the following lines:

*TKY and Zero to Kaz (do we want to raze zero or keep it?)

*Kaz will be entitled to their current territory and all of CAV’s current lands. SANCTA is entitled to the rest of the map. Open borders agreement will be in effect.

*SANCTA, Kaz and Saturn will freely gift all techs to each other on request. The alliance will coordinate together for shared tech goals.

*Kaz will attack CAV with all available units no later than turn XXX (reasonable amount of time to stage our current forces, shift triremes to the West, etc.)

cav scout · Aug 31, 2009

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