If they add an exclusivity clause, who cares? We just say "Duh...UH.. OK" take their MC and give it to the rest of the alliance. They can't do anything about it. Plus, they will DEFINITELY give Alpha to Saturn... exclusivity clause or no.
I think we should just sail on, because they know very well that Cav got Meditation, if you saw General Ws latest Oracle video where they mocked team Cavaleiros. If we tell them we only want Metal Casting, not Priesthood, they figured out both Team Cavs tech route to monarchy, as well as our technology cooperation, and thus drive them closer to Saturn, even close to MS as well.
The best way is to hide this via the Way of the Twillight (negotiate until we get Alphabet), declare war under the Way of the Twilight, do our trades as we sail through, and then negotiate when we see what is available after we have done our trades.
I don't understand what the problem with taking the way of the twilight that they offered is? It is exactly what we want.. to get through without declaring against their will.
We know we will not trade with them anyway..otherwise what is the point of the alliance if we start giving techs to members outside the alliance?
the only reason i can think of to wait is the possibility of MS not joining the alliance and us trying to pull SANCTA in...
When we met SANCTA we changed all our espionage points to SANCTA to conceal the fact that we met other civs. If we tell them we do not need their techs they will instantly know that we are getting them from somebody else. Why else would we reject a tech trade? That means changing espionage points was meaningless.
I think we should ask our allies if they want to trade with SANCTA. Just leave the wb where it is for now and end the turn. We need to figure out if SANCTA actually has IW or if they are getting it from MS.
Why is it exactly what we want? I'm not even convinced of the importance of sailing on. We will only meet Saturn - another team we probably won't want to trade with or even talk to!
Making a profitable trade or two doesn't necessarily negate the advantages of our alliance. In fact, wouldn't a trade benefit us more since we already have the 3 versus 2 advantage? If SANCTA and Saturn are allied then one of them will surely go for alphabet soon anyway. If we can get metal casting soon wouldn't we benefit? We haven't even mapped out our next tech goals for the alliance. How can we be sure a trade or two wouldn't help us more than SANCTA/Saturn?
One reason to wait is to delay SANCTA figuring out they already face a three way alliance. Stalling for one more turn does not mean we can't take the Way of the Twilight next turn.
Now giving them Alphabet is at least disasterous them asking for it means that not them nor Saturn is going for it...which means they will delay exchanging techs...and more importantly that they NEED to go for it...hence giving us a better chance for CoL and the great library!![]()