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Saudi Arabian Journalist Murdered in Consulate

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by HoloDoc, Oct 7, 2018.

  1. r16

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    contrary to the general mood , the tapes are long released by the West , now that A-K-P doesn't want to mess with the Saudis ; in the unlikely case that America abandons them , you know , for some reason . The person who got the ball rolling , Yasin Aktay , after the fiancee called him , first publicly blamed the "Deep State" of which there is only one , that abomination . Even until like November 1st(?) , some best minds in the Party media were writing that Deep CIA and Deep MI6 were involved and would suddenly pop Mr. Kaşıkçı out , the guy writes a whole newspaper page of a column and just hears the chief attorney for Istanbul declaring the guy was dead , so just adds a line and the whole thing appears on the next day's paper . Aktay was himself on TV , at some event before the Gates of the Consulate that they were ready to pay a price , you know , as if he was indeed Kaşıkçı's right hand man here , starting the bloodbath in Syria and all analysts (those who could dare) pondered what the hell that was about , now that all the Western Media was printing Turkish "leaks" that were reported here only after they appeared on the web and Leftists could propagandize about the subserviance of A-K-P to the Saudis . Saudis have finally declare they have an approximate image of their local collaborator . To this end , we just learned , "Yeşil" , a Kurd who killed other Kurds for Ankara was still alive . The only reason New Turkey plays this game is a chance that they can relaunch the Ergenekon days , now that they find it hard to prove that they were or (even more troublingly) are not Congregation . Newspaper ı buy thinks the Little Prince of St de Exupery might end up as the culprit ; apologises to literate people for am pretty sure ı have the name of the author wrong .


    so that America even claims it will depart the spritual leader of the said , you know , as a bribe to New Turkey that magically squeezes the idiot who will become the next Saudi Kings . Americans are amazing people , they do not understand the phrase don't make fun of our capacity to think in 53 languages , strangely even English included .

    oh my , attack on Christmas begins early this year , on November 9th aliens have flown in the US-UK air routes and am still blocked by the said commercial entities , so just to make it seen

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    this will take a long time coming , but Italians actually paid their share of bakshish required before that American Navy guy arrived in Europe , declared himself as the official handler , started peddling 404 EPE which was coming along finely and APG-65 by forcing the proposed interdictors to become F-4s . British said nothing , Germans took the 65 , to put that into the EFA , which the British objected so went to F-4Fs instead . Because the USN guy simply gave the phone number of Lehman , who was busy pushing the Forward Strategy for NATO and concrete in the nose of F-2s were a threat to his own life , the US politician flying A-6s as a reservist .

    there's indeed some weird numbering that goes on and Gorbachev used to prove his integrity and honesty to decrease required amounts of Floggers as Flankers and Fulcrums entered service , not in changing squadrons , but decreasing numbers according to the tables .

    f-16
    refused A/B by Europeans
    F-16/79 because taking advantage of the engine firm's reach
    refused by Americans for funny reasons
    F-18 and F-20
    still refused by Americans
    f-16C-30 and onwards because engine firm , ı don't know , is honest , will not leave us in the cold

    the story goes when the Greeks were shopping for a new fighter , Lockheed Martin used brochures with standart US and hence Turkish camouflage , instead of the distinctive Greek colours , telling the Greeks like had no option . Unless of course they were ready to pay for "themselves" . That and the Olympics nipped your EFAs right in the bud .


    involves answering the question of a Greek member of a different site on why Turgut Özal could not buy European jets . Intented for a specialist site , so do not bother much with the acronoyms .
     
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  2. HoloDoc

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    And the CIA has found that MBS ordered the murder.

    Source.

    TLDR: MBS ordered the murder, Khashoggi was lured to the consulate by MBS's brother - who may not have known what was going to happen - under direction from MBS. Confirmed by multiple sources. The CIA hasn't released a statement yet, and I'm guessing probably won't, because Trump.
     
  3. Bamspeedy

    Bamspeedy We'll dig up the road!

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    Does the CIA typically make an official statement on.... anything? (Even before Trump)

    I'm looking through their few and far between press releases and it's all generic, declassified information from decades ago or honoring certain events, appointments, etc.

    https://www.cia.gov/news-information/press-releases-statements
     
  4. HoloDoc

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    Probably a fair point.
     
  5. innonimatu

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    They do, they have it published in the Washington Post. Interesting them so openly taking sides against Saudi Arabia's current rulers. And with the clown prince demonstrating to his henchmen how service gets rewarded...
     
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    Leaks, or 'leaks' (controlled) are not official statements.
     
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  7. innonimatu

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    Those may be leaks done by opposing factions inside the american state bureaucracy, sure. But the way this has been playing, I suspect there is a plan to it.

    The clown prince was led to believe the could sacrifice his henchmen and come out clean. He has already done so, demonstrating to all those who serve him that they're expendable, working for a master who will happily kill them. And now the story comes out that the prince was personally responsible after all. He fell for it: he wasted the confidence his underlings might have in him and is now in hot water again. This encourages those inside Saudi Arabia who served this princeling to turn against him, before they too get sacrificed in some future mess.
     
  8. Silurian

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    It is possible that this is starting to annoy Trump.
    Trump wants to sell weapons and his advisers want to attack Iran.
    The prince is making this difficult so why not swap him for another then back to normal.
     
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    I don't credit Trump with having such a plan from the start of this case, but can see how it will be possible to sell him that plan now. The problem is that his policy towards the Middle East so far seems to be driven that that son in law of his who is as much of a clown as this princeling. Unfortunately, clowns with real power!
    One can hope he gets really annoyed... But I would only be hopeful if I were sure that a change of ruler would result in an end to the war on Yemen. Which I doubt.
     
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    Now that the CIA has said the Saudi Prince was behind the murder, Trump has to decide: will he accept the CIA's version or the Prince's denial.
     
  11. r16

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    oh , look , more r16 garbage , also stupidly forgets the damned picture

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    mass transit is a good thing and just not for cutting population pollution in Civ III , one can even gauge that he is getting older ; now that ı can manage 10 minutes between the stations of the light rail ı take to the city , walking one from the other . Am pretty sure ı could do it in 9 twenty years ago ... It's even rational , that mass transiting , that there are computer programs and the like that return some money to you if you have travelled a shorter distance . Like a year back , pressing your card it would debit something like 2.45 liras getting in and at the destination ı could get back .15 back by pressing it on some device . Then the A-K-P Mayor was forcibly made to resign by the Party and his replacement had to make himself "popular" by decreasing the fares . Made it 2.40 , but also decreased the return to .10 ... Nothing changed if you were like disciplined and my fare remained at 2.30 , but if you didn't care , you actually had a .05 price hike . Oh , months pass and the new Mayor makes an heroic decrease again . The cost is decreased straight to 2.30 and ı do not get any return at the destination . The returns of course depend on the distance and if ı was smart , ı might have landed a station before and got a full .35 in the old times . You would expect a .10 decrease from .35 to .25 , right ? Now they have cut .10 from the overall cost , to fight inflation and the heinous American economic coup attempt ? No , you get a .20 ; which means there is once again a .05 hike , at least for a percentage of travellers . Two raises and the the propaganda posters are already all-over the town , they have decreased the prices twice , for a total of 27% ...


    oh , fully relevant ... Shows it's all in the presentation and when your audience want to believe whatever you want to present , you will never fail in making people believe ...

    ı have never been OK with the F-35 . People naturally shut me up , like a decade back as soon as it appeared ı knew people who counted before retirement . Trust me , my stupid English was then never an issue and they understood every single word of it when ı said it would not do and America was better advised to stop the thing in toto , no industrial co-operation and the regular Hamas-Israel squabbles and New Turkey's baby steps in talking as the true rulers of the Middle East would cover and America could even get away with not paying the 100 million US Dollars of the entrance fee , Ankara would insult Tel Aviv and the Jewish Lobby would defame the glorious New Turkey and the US Senators would unjustly steal money ? Oh , there was no need -with the glorious Congregation . Lockmart decided to make peace , like after 8 years as it was 'ing clear Congregation had ran out of steam . They even went to the glorious step of adding spurious markings on the first one they delivered to the aerial branch of the Army of Petrol . As there are American ancients who call me a liar and worse when ı say the Turkish Armed Forces are now extinct , including that THK thing that started with the German cross painted into a black square in the Great one , then a red square for the 1920-22 one and kept that until 1972 , before taking the Peruvian red-white-red cockade ; the Turkish Air Forces being the one responsible for stopping aerial enemies , now that American politicking never intented allow this country to have high altitude SAM defence . Nike batteries being responsible for accidental nuke-on-board crashes after the Jupiters were kicked out in 1962 . Ah yes , some report makes it to US Congress which will no doubt say it's impossible and stuff now that "irreplaceable" parts are being built in Ankara and S-400 purchase must stop and New Turkey marked F-35s can then fly into New Turkey , now that their markings certainly make my claim (that they will never wear the Turkish markings) moot . New Turkey , (just of course and naturally) go the Arab way and wants to purchase Patriots as well , despite paralel interest in an European solution and they will have a "local and national" system by 2021 , too . Down with the S-400 , as if Putin did not know Idlip deal would fail and people really hate the claims that the New Turkey is really new and not a mere American puppet , but the track record of honesty meant "generous" payment even with all-out war between Russia and Turkey . And he was the man , winning confidence of who don't have an actual need to trust anyone . Down with the F-35 , too . Despite it has proven that it can catch fire if a too strong a wind blows from the wrong quarter , F-35 is what will solve the Eastern Question , isn't it ?


    pray tell , what's the Eastern Question , then ? It's this :

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    possibly 1890s' Macedonia . Brutally suppressing Human Rights and Democracy in some village . The males (now that obviously ı can't call them men) are fully clothed despite the "suggestive" attitude . The officers will rape first and they are discussing who should get whom and the rest will go to the lower ranks or lifeforms or whatever . Women are all naked and while at it , ı also cut out the rope from the Christian in the background . ı have trouble with the lower guys' headgear . It should have been a fes , just like the officers , but considering the painter's name , this perhaps can be a subtle thing against the French Colonials who would naturally face the civilized German Army in any resumption of the hostilities . You see , the two "Africans" are strategically placed , while the what ı might see as an Anatolian or whatever is at the door ; leaving the 4th maybe as some Syrian , even if there are obviously millions of rounded faced Turks like him . In my defence , ı can only say he looks like happy with what he has a chance , while the third is different ... ı don't know , "maybe" looks like discovering of how women actually look like , some steep upgrade from a donkey . Or a goat , for those Westerners who are so 21st Century in Orientalist depictions . Arabs were still the men in the XIXth Century , when Wilhelm was denied easy loot in Africa and perforce had to deal with the Ottomans . Who are the worst ; legs have to exist to see the cigarette and follow the smoke of it . Those guys can speak a passable French but have nothing of European culture , because you know , no civilized man would allow this travesty to happen . Namibians ? That's a different matter , right ? Arabs would be given their freedom and while they were primitive , they had some honour that would allow the plunder of their lands as long as their chieftains were kept happy ; while the Turk would mumble stupid things about rights for all , retirement allowance for the workers , this was not the way Japan was doing it or America was running out of the Wild West and when they arrived there might be some brown pants in the all conquering Europeans , so would Herr the German Colonialist would come to his senses and stop acting as if he was some Alexander the Great ? See , much better to let Arabs gather their spoils of war .


    entirely on topic , now that the swing to harshness in New Turkey is like fully relevant with the moderateness of the idiot who will become the next Saudi King , the very Mega BS ... He has allowed women to drive , a huge revolution , people , so people must not really hear about why New Turkey wanted no more female candidates to fly combat jets but got defeated for the duration . Because , they have run out of places in prisons , they just can not go arrest feminists like the Saudis do ? Or that would make people laugh at the Saudis who were the first ever to give an ID card to a robot named Sofia ? Indeed true that there is also an MbZ , crown prince of the Emirates and best buddy of the idiot who will become the next Saudi King . And the Emirates had a female fighter pilot ... Miss Liberty whatever bombing the ISIL creatures , but apparently her career was cut short ; as the New Arabs shot down an Jordanian F-16 so that the pilot could be burned alive so that his family of proper beliefs would become a focal point of a revolution to suit ISIL with toppling the weak Jordanian King . Her fault of course . You thought Saudis would blame a man of theirs when there was a Miss Liberty ? So simple . No abstract thing like whether the entire Jordanian officership , obviously open to US influence , had any need for a reminder of the stupid bikinitop on a tank antenna meme , so that the Jordanian King was not accidentally shot down while he was bombing ISIL in person .

    a point ? Of course there is a point . There are like 3000 Princes in the Saudi , right ? A few of them actually dehydrated to death in the desert , as their links to El Kaide was so open in the field that even American journalists could find them , had they been not so awash with patriotic fervour after 9/11 . Like practically all of the hijackers were "good" Saudis , right ? Instead of covering for each one of them , America streamlines the structure and assigns the job to one dude , who obviously knows there are contraceptives and the like and won't have 50 kids or something as Usame bin Ladin's father did or something . Stop nonsense talk you say and what you get ? A media blitz that the brother of the idiot who will become the next Saudi King was also involved , CIA has tapes ! Now , there might be those CFC members thinking that it has to be real and something be done to the Saudis . Yeah , if those members of CFC were given the powers of Trump -through a magical wand- they would exactly do nothing . As things do not work that way . Only thing more important then the Saudis to the US in the Middle East is New Turkey ; so , well , nothing will happen to the American streamlining .

    self supporting structures , man . New Turkey is supposed to be the leader of the Middle East . We hear there is an amazing new intelligence service , We read journos shatter the world through jealousy against their keen intellect and analysis and global reach . Even when there are the idiots who claim that's all about parroting whatever Qatar says at the moment , and like Qatar is not even a dot on the world map , Qatar and the Saudis are at war or something and we are supposed to hear anything bad about the Saudis , like obviously , right ? Take this ... We hear that the Saudis declared the idiot who will become the next Saudi King is the "müceddid" of the century . When ? Just like last week . In a country where like 90% of the media is controlled by the Party which will strictly refuse it's controlled by Qatar . How ? Journalists translated some Washington Post article that said it happened . When ? During the Friday prayers of October 19th ... With reminding am not an expert in anything , let alone Religion , the word defines a thinker / leader . According to Islamic tradition there will be one for each century and he will find and correct wrong stuff that got into Islam , keeping the Faith as the final form of Allah's Orders to mankind . The idiot who will become the next Saudi King and the notion do not mix well , to say it the most extremely minimalist way , all out trolling is in order ... New Turkey is at war with the Saudis we are told , Saudis have murdered on our soil we are told . Why the delay of 3 weeks and only after Washington Post or its ilk reports on it ? ı can imagine a Turkish Islamist understanding that the 20th Century one was Saidi Nursi , even if Churchill apparently said it Mustafa Kemal , now that we have long heard of Atatürk defined as a genius that could come only once in an hundred years , apparently while Churchill explains the Gallipoli fiasco . ı know for certain that the Congregation believes the 21st Century one was to be the spiritual leader of theirs , as they joyfully ate the tissue he wiped his nose with ... Not a word from the New Turkey on the subject , except meek and weak talk , waiting it to die with no attention ?

    oh why , there is talk on everything . Despite a week of doing nothing , we learn New Turkey knew of the murder from day one , making the supposed bug a live one that transmitted in real time . We learn the recording runs for 40 minutes , even if that takes place only after the French declare they do not believe New Turkey is telling the truth . We are told New Turkey conducts the affair diligently and expertly and had it been Kemalists in charge they could never manage it . So , when the Saudis say it was an accident , all the experts just jump and down that it was a pre-mediated murder because the Saudis injected so much poison . Al Crusading , actually knowing both English and Arabic and able to read the Saudi declaration , says the injections were sedatives and laughs at the Saudi claims that they were accidentally applied into an overdose . So , after seeing Leftists would see that , the experts now claim the drugs actually thickened the blood so that the Saudis could play Dexter without too much of a mess , as they were short of plastic sheet or something . ı can understand the New Turkey media . Simple that they did not report that back in June that American courts deported some Congregation paedophile , delivered over this weekend . With A-K-P propagandizing about evil America that returns none of the criminals, the event does not help the true fight of the Party against the evil Congregation ... At an election time . Because America will protect Mega BS against supposed attacks of New Turkey , we suddenly hear it now ... Why doesn't America report on that back in June ? Assisting A-K-P or maybe Washington does not want it heard that there can be paedophiles within Islamist movements ? Last would be amazing , at an age when Israeli interests supposedly control everything ... Last Friday , we had American newspapers supposedly reporting that America was so pressed that Trump ordered a study about returning the spirtual leader and 4 American officials did one and they didn't deliver it to Trump and Trump asked again and the four American officials were very angry with Trump . Figures , ı was like surprised at one Noam Chomsky talking so positive about New Turkey , turns out Germans use that one as a case study on fake news ... Anyhow , Trump says he is pals with PM and PM is strong and (perhaps the PM has to be content with that as) America has no intention of doing so . It would be maybe 4% of the vote for the local elections in March next year , you know .

    back to regular programming on that . PM had declared if the political branch of seperatists win in any place , there will be investigations and if evidence of any collusion is found , the elected seperatist will be arrested , just like practically their entire party is inside . So , people should not bother . There is relative calm inside the borders , New Turkey credits that to the the drones the second son-in-law of the PM makes and sells . After a double declarations on arrests , roadside bombs killed maybe 10 soldiers . New Turkey media naturally said it was Americans who might have transported them in . ı personally didn't hear any more declarations about that afterwards . There have been two seperate cases of ammunition explosions apparently as a heavy artillery shell and a mortar round exploded as soon as they left the tubes , maybe due to issues with fuses , killing 8 . Which follows the former chief of army generals pictured in a factory that produces artillery shells , telling the press each of them will hammer the seperatists . So , the secretary for the interior affairs of the palace cabinet says they will kill the seperatists in the Kandil mountains of Iraq and drag the corpses , as like it has been done a couple of times already . From this one can deduce America once again desires a peace process where the Party will give a quarter of the country to the seperatists and share the rest , too . As such , naturally there are no issues with the secretary blaiming Jon Bass , the former Colonial Governor in Ankara and now Ambrassador to Kabul . Turns out Bass (who failed to bring down the Goverment in 2016 with organizing the Disgrace of July 15th) has now accelarated the Afghan refugees , like he is trying to banktrupt New Turkey . Which is the fault of the Little Imperialist . America hated the "cult" of Atatürk , PM was to replace it with never failing while the Little Imperialist was to rule the country "brother brother" with the head of the seperatist politicos . Who in turn would assimilate Turkish radical Left and so destroy the very last avenue . Islamist cultism so definitely broken between the PM and the Congregation , the Little Imperialist quickly lost whatever shine he had / America had the seperatists resort to a fight that they would lose and make the Congregation generals heroes and hence acceptable to geriatric idiots but like they couldn't / with being more interested in hurting the PM's position with massive causalties instead of giving him a super victory / America then allowed the coup attempt fail / so that the pruned Army of Petrol , which ı think ı was calling the same since 2015 / to jihad in Syria on the 500th anniversary of Selim the Grim's victory against the Mamelukes , you know of Egypt , currently ruled by evil Sisi , who toppled the Ihvan brothers , to the tunes of Mehter .


    yeah , at a time when America supposedly fears New Turkey will get America's fool in Riyadh , New Turkey instead turns on internal opponents ... One would assume New Turkey would need the good will of the likes of New York Times or Washington Post as it fights the entrenched interests of a caveman attitude , a good will that would go sour with "oppressing" inside the country .

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    see , the woman in red , who is actually known as the Woman in Red on the web (despite her Turkish name and years in this country from birth to teaching at university) is a foreigner , a professional demonstrator who was brought in mercenary like . Then trolled the poor policeman who then gives a well deserved dose of pepper spray ; watch the hair flying . This despite the immediate superior of the policeman is now in jail as Congregation , having ordered this very act to bring down the PM with adverse reaction . See , the Islamists let alone the "Muslims" were so happy in 2013 because London had given 90 years to the Kemalist losers in Lausanne , it was game over . A sudden explosion , that people were not afraid . Maybe 10 dead , 40 people have lost an eye as the police were taking aim with the tear gas canisters . Even with the Party success in "proving" it was only the Alevis , it's a mark the Party can not recover from . So , everybody knows there's a Turkish Soros , a traitor who wanted to enflame the Anatolia with demonstrations concurrent with the actual Gezi events . Naturally they have arrested the guy , like without charges now over a year and they just go on and add some more people on like spurious charges . Congregation was way better in this . They "found" evil coup plans in some computer after one single set was deleted 35 times over . The wheel turned and the investigators are now in court and nothing came up from their computer because they had it re-formatted , you know , just once . We are of course told this is efficient , that people see they might be just arrested like that and released only when it pleases the Party . Oh , is it ? America wants peoples' soul , according to some silly theory , which is yet to falter just once or whatever . It's 50 to 50% and 2023 is just upon us , because London gave 100 years to the Kemalist losers at Lausanne ; which can be deduced by their amazing insistence to build a plane for us Turks , even , like after America said "No, it is going to be an Allied Jet." You can grasp the British arousedness from having me banned .

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    this is of course not a crude attempt to link orientalist ramblings with any call against the Party , the first image actually is a call against the "Kemalists" who were yet to exist . That they didn't deserve to be taught the ways of the West , them demonseed Turks . Is it really an accident that New Turkey has once again restored History to its true self and "Those who love the British" society of 1920s is no longer an outright outfit of treason ? Like maybe no Theresa May in a couple of months even . But the hate against educated Turks can be seen in old stuff , a materialist evil bunch who parroted Western concepts he didn't have the brains to grasp , the Turk was much worse then the old Turk , reactionless when Westerners traded and could be easily killed if profits required a war or two . ı don't miss a copy when this town newspaper gives an history supplement ; the latest one has the travel notes of German playwright who didn't like anything , even the Greek minority in the city of Bursa , Europeans living there had gone dull , the nature was passable as long as there was no one on it and his only enjoyment was when he bought some candy so that he could start a fight between kids as he gave it away ; the kids struggling silently while in Germany it would be a riot with all the shouting ... See , old Turkish kids know their place in front of the superior European and behave ...

    oh , stuff comes up , always and inevitably . Now that the picture was also whet the appetites of civilized Westerners to see some bodies , precursor of Page 3 , while depicting infamous barbarians . Or the stoopid declaration this above actually is not real but CGI , because some scientist will have the stupid theory that the OUmumama was sentient made and solar sails like certainly do not look like stone . That it had the measurements of 40 to 400 meters . These are obviously a crude translation of the exact measurements down to inches as seen by the glorious NASA , but ain't the 1:10 thing is suspect ? A race extinct for million of years somehow using decimals ? Afterall , the male dominated Homo Sapiens could have easily based its civilization with counting on a system of 21 . (Well , don't ask .) And of course , NASA apparently now sez it's only 100 metres . In the most unlikely case that this thread was given a poll on who's rightly afraid of r16 , the Starfleet Admiral -only to prove none- all ı wanna say is that Americans have it real good . The world has forgotten that the London had given 50 years to evil Kemalists and the game was over as Erbakan had to be given the mantle or 60 years to evil Kemalists and the game was surely over as Özal was to reform the country , or 70 years as Demirel was going to do it right . Game is always over , man , always ...




    so , the summary is short . People insist we are being given the Middle East , to our non and never changing attitude of we don't want it . Obviously we have been wrong all along :

    a) ı want war and

    b) ı want war

    remain happy while telling lies of bright futures and how Blessed are the Peacemakers .


    american security apparatus would work to shame the Clown Prince and Clown son-in-law only if they wanted to stop a war with Iran ; which would be like amazing for the US .
     
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    He has, as he has always done in the past, decided to lie and deny whenever facts do not fit what he wants to do. Remember when the CIA and every single last one of the western intelligence agencies all agreed Russia had intervened in the 2016 US election in order to help Trump yet Trump, to this day, lies and denies it? Yeah, he is doing that again now.
     
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    There you have it, no one may ever know what really happened to him, but we've never allowed pesky communist concepts such as "Human Rights" and "Rule of Law" endanger the US-Saudi alliance so why start now?
     
  14. innonimatu

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    I do not remember that. I do remember newspapers lying about that, producing that false claim. If "every single last one of the western intelligence agencies" agreed that Russia had interfered, presumably every one of them would have evidence, and Mueller would have been finished with his fishing expedition long ago.

    And here am I again having to defend Trump only for the sake of truth and fairness: it was pointless for him to listen to a recording of conversations on languages he understands nothing about. He must rely on translators and analysts, both to know what as said and to confirm the authenticity of the record. Listening to it adds zero insight.

    We had a sample of Trump acting on news he saw without waiting for proper analysis: his little missile ejaculation on Syria over an alleged sarin attack. I would rather prefer he would let more qualified people analyze evidence.
     
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    I would not have listened to it either. I have no doubt his death was painful. I can accept that without hearing him scream.
     
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    only Al Crusading available on Turkish Satellite except one Japanese thing down in the 200s of channels , so seeing Trump agitated about the hundred of billions of weapons to be sold , am wondering whether the Clown Car thread has gained another 10 pages .


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    when you think it can't be improved upon , it gets just gets better , stupifyingly better . Or dumber , in case you can really stand incredible bad grammar and the like . Oh , naturally it will be only me to have heard that the Saudis declare that they were assured by Ankara whatever proof (Ankara has) falls short of proving it was his glorious majesties Clown Prince . Trust me , ı was saddened to chance upon some unrelated .pdf file using the phrase , my beautiful invention has been discovered long ago ! His glorious majesties Clown Prince Mega BS can now sleep tight . And also it's about the Norman Conquest and yes , Vikings (the TV series) can like totally be your guide in navigating the maze below ...


    so , some dean of some university teaching aviation and space engineering stuff tweets . That he doesn't agree with the modern stuff on women and being a proper wife and raising kids is more important then being a president / party leader or goverment minister or business person . Naturally everybody thinks about the head of splinter from the almost racists ; she was the Interior Minister in the 1990s . Naturally the web makes the professor eat his words and the comments are so like "Bwa ha ha, doesn't he know A-K-P takes some serious amount of votes from women?" You must remember the guy has worked in Boeing and stuff or whatever , because his CV or whatever is also available on the web .

    also ı hear that ı want a "mass" war . Of course ı want one and some , dear critic ; it happens to be the reason why you are like all still alive . One finds that real hard when all the newspapers are full of some dam being done in the East , which will become the most valuable one in Turkey . To have a wall height of 275 meters , the highest in the country and 3rd in the world . Naturally the Kemalists could have never done it ! Dams are acccidents of nature in some way , you need a river and some chokepoint with some serious amount of strong ground to hold the pressure , if you wanna do big ; Santa Süleyman has Keban , Santa Turgut has Atatürk and no place is left within the country to build a bigger dam than those named in this sentence ... Also covers the fact that some New Turkey company with a big name has been doing a dam for two or three times over now , as a water reservoir for Istanbul and the soil just leaks and they can't keep any water behind the dam ... So , the newspaper audience would rather be tempted to think it was glorious when New Turkey taught Russia its place with shooting down the Su-24 that violated the sacred airspace of New Turkey . Yours idiotly was traitorously unhappy then , calling for the release of the HUD footage of the glorious victory against the godless Russians . For those who don't remember the glorious days , the Little Imperialist was the Prime Minister and bragged about how he had ordered the defence of the holy country and PM (who had then become the President) retorted it was him who had actually done so . When the Russians showed teeth , it turned out this had to be an America conspiracy carried out by the American stooges , who also happen to be Kemalists . Finally it turned out that the pilot who did that was Congregation and had done that to topple the A-K-P . The HUD footage is still nowhere to be seen , and ı naturally wonder whether the Saudis ever showed it here while they had F-15s around in some Islamic solidarity .


    when economic stuff can find no place , even if everybody knows something is rotten , the discussion of HUD footage is of course trivial . Older brother pretty unhappy when extra taxes takes the cost of a cubic meter of water to 20 liras , when the base number is 3.13 liras per ton and he has to pay 50 liras for using 8 tons . One can only say there is a crisis . My niece is engaged ; the cousin of her husband-to-be marries , my older brother is also invited en famillie . He used 150 liras of fuel driving to and from Istanbul and paid 220 liras to highways and the bridge . The one over the long finger like part of Marmara (above the thumb like one) if you have seen maps of this country . A real useful one , halving travel times and some Japanese engineer really committed full blown hara-kiri when some metal plate gave way during the construction , but its sole use is making money for Party companies . Because it wasn't funded by the Goverment the companies took guarantees that will make them rich many times over . There's bragging that the country is being run as a corporation . One can only accept now that the third bridge over the Bosphorus is solely meant to extend the size of Istanbul to create more business for Party housing companies and no truck driver would use it , being an extra hour of driving to the European side of the city , so the Goverment simply closed the two former bridges and banned trucks using the ferries across the Bosphorus . Hurt the ferry company and the debate is whether they can really sell the ships that were privatised for their benefit , in case the ships still belong to the State ? And of course , from the Sayıştay failure of Americans , we also learn the companies that build the bridge were still not satisfied and their malpractice for furher profits might reach a billion dollars using the 2017 exchange rates . Somebody has to pay the companies , you didn't expect it to be anyone but the taxpayer , right ? The Frenchies are apparently getting ready to storm the Bastille again , but we don't hear much about it . Who rebels for fuel prices , right ? Now that to prevent that , the Goverment automatically cut down the fuel taxes when increasing exchange rate forced a hike at the pump . They are bragging they heroically prevented the public paying an extra 8 billion liras . Not much vocal on whether it would have hurt them in the local election due March '19 . To cover that , and other expenses , they are getting 15000 liras to get people to serve the military service in a month and they are offering a building amnesty and it like turns out at least a quarter of the country has done illegal housing . The best part is naturally those smart ones who haven't yet started their illegal housing , so they get a photoshopped picture of their entirely empty land and get a pardon for the building that's yet to exist . They are building a full 400 at a prime tourist spot by the Mediterranean coast and the land has so remained pristine only because it's a proven landslide zone .


    patience is a virtue , even in making a sense of incomprehensible r16 posts . Before the shoot-down of the Su-24 , Russia wanted to build natural gas pipelines under the Blacksea . Just like the one they recently finished laying . Will carry 15 billion cubic meters a year , there is supposed to be a second that will carry the same to Europe . Which naturally makes New Turkey a global player in the energy markets , something the Kemalists could have never achieved . Wait , Russians are sick of Ukranians and the whole thing stems from Ukraine wanting Communist practices when it comes to gas and simply takes it from the pipe and Russians are then forced to pump more , as Germany makes no nonsense when it comes to contracts . Ukranians are unhapppy and they declare they must stop this Turkish nonsense . While they have some super girls , trust me it will be real awful (the reaction liable to be savage) if they show up here and say A-K-P is killing the Republic . Which was of no concern when the going was good , and people still remember of the times when the Ukranian variety of the T-80 might have become the standart MBT , shortly updated with the long Russian turret and the diesel taken as the Army Standart and because Ukraine would certainly be in NATO , the Ukrainians went and sunk some Turkish owned fishing boat caught illegally operating . Ukranians actually had some German Crossed armoured vehicle for TVs to film during their uprising against the evil Russians , some modelling magazine says . See , there is nothing loose in this post , as Russians were actually planning to do 4 of those pipelines before the downing of their plane which only proves the brotherly love of our Saudi brothers , so heartfelt when it comes to their best pals . Putin of course thinks the costs will be eventually paid by the Turks , even when New Turkey loses the elections . You know , as compensation for a plane ı didn't shoot down . Russians were really angry , too , they typically loaded a tactical nuclear weapon or two on their fancy new Flanker bombers and untypically the picture was posted right on , instead of manly suffering the Russian diatribe and our dear American brothers declared their F-15s would not be around and dear Saudi brothers took their F-15s home or something , to fight evil Houthis in Yemen . And instead of downing one F-16 of the Army of Petrol , Putin paid some percentage , naturally to be paid back by the Turk , because the Turk is well known to be honourable and Putin is robbing Turkey , because Putin applauds the courage of New Turkey . Dear critic , your uncle's aunt's cousin's brother's grandson was not nuked only because the whole American plot involves getting this country into some war in which NATO will abandon this country . Because America would suddenly discover the Saudi F-15s and Article 5 could not apply and you are dumber then the grade of idiocy you rightly assign to me if you think the West would partake in the Armageddon ; going to Hell is only for losers , right ? Accordingly the newspapers never mention the PM testing the waters that Kaşıkçı murder took place on NATO soil so NATO must show an unified front , because nobody would do so , right ?


    no , ı don't have nuclear weapons , because am fully stocked with anti-matter . Don't know why people don't listen to me for once .


    and yes , one must seriously report New Turkey loves to report on how some drunk tried to rape the statue of a ballerina in Istanbul , you know , entirely of stone or iron or whatever . And yes , one must remind of the old times when some ancients were invited to Bolshoy , at a time when everybody in the world knew what Bolshoy was . Official report was then like "Ugh, ballerina thighs are so thick!" . The show was Nutcracker , ı hear . One can easily understand Putin , made a show of fighting oligarks so that he could be the biggest oligark and anything involves Russia except selling commodities would inevitably mean his bear riding , boar wrestling days would be over , with like being found funny on Russian TVs . Holding the stick with excrement on both ends ; he can't give up being the oligark , because his underlings would eat him alive to become the oligark .


    one can even understand the Americans . Though the professor right at the top would still claim he was targeting some party leader that might take A-K-P votes . No doubt thinks this is why his sheik told him to so . Discourse without the context is long a mantra , but being familiar with stuff can also help to discover the context . Plane making works in a basic cycle , when a fighter enters service , the design work on its replacement must start ; you might have noticed the abomination called the F-35 is like called a fighter for the purposes of discussion . Fabolous 6th Generation , man , 2030s first flight , must be available right upto 22nd century , might well be the last of combat planes . Big stuff ? You bet ... ı deduced it from Norman Friedman's Fighters over the Fleet and the how of it maybe deserves its own post , but certain Americans have gotten into a mood of "Let's save Grumman" . Well , the Norman Conquest was long planned by Dick Cheney , even before end of the Cold War . "Destroying" one's aviation industry is an Anglosaxon tradition ever since the 1957 White Paper in the UK , aims to create a monopoly in plane business , because it's cut-throat competition that's really expensive and requires some keenness in participants that might influence many other lines of money making and employing people . Russians diversified at the end of Cold War and (in a true example of swords to ploughshares) invented aluminium showels . Light as a feather and sold as hotcakes as the Western companies collected massive amounts of nice aviation grade aluminium , dirt cheap while Russians lost so much maney shaping them into agricultural implements . Oh , it's Norman Agustine , CEO of Lockheed at the time and he knew he would get the ATF contract , because Dick Cheney knew they had to start big . You really must have seen the show , but let's say it's Ragnar Lothbrook and his stone that helps him navigate in cloudy days , which ends up he becoming the Viking King . So , Lockheed is the biggest master of Stealth . Northrop did it better with the B-2 ? Well , ı said it would be F-22 , didn't ı ? Lockheed actually wanted McDonnell Douglas , because the F-22 arrangement saw General Dynamics and Boeing as partners and no threats at the moment . McDD was a powerhouse of the 1980s , with F-15, 18 and Harriers and an the airliner side which was definitely a bigger success story than Lockheed's . But as whole of Europe can barely afford Airbus , the Pentagon side of the affair rejected and Boeing ended up eating McDD ; DC-10 vs Tristar makes sordid reading . Lockheed then wanted Grumman . Landing on a carrier and being able to remain alive in the air requires a different set of technical skills and the Pentagon side objected again . USN of the time had a rather weak understanding of the glory of Stealth at the time , Vought survived only as a subcontractor , McDD going under , they would fight for Grumman , in case VTOL failed once again in the 21st Century . So , Northrop suddenly found itself the owner of Grumman , Navy guys having much confidence in Boeing's honesty so that they would have real competition to enable the USN to get a real fighter , to be used in anger when needed and not as money for corporate fat cats . As a result GD was much surprised to learn they had to sell the business to Lockheed . They had the F-16 , which has indeed like sold in thousands after the demise of the Soviet Union , they had won the A-12 . Which was real easy , Bush I denied US Goverment owned materials to the USN attack aircraft programme , claiming it was privately developed by Lockheed . You will see lots of pundits who declare A-12 could never be acceptably stealthy because it has poor shape . And Bush II's like first act was signing the dotted line fot the F-35 .


    yeah , had never thought it was because they like me , but Northrop Grumman has the B-21 programme , Boeing with McDD converted into Phantom Works has the airliner business and it will inevitably fall to Lockheed to develop the next American fighter . Am personally amazed that ı myself posted a mockery of the claims that a mysterious bunch of test pilots were stalling F-35 flight tests and that was the only reason F-35 was years late . Lockmart used every possible thing and ı had forgotten that particular one . Apparently you can have bigger profits with making a couple CGI images a year instead of a couple squadrons worth of planes . The so called New Turkey defence industry has trouble recruiting , because the rapidly developing gaming industry is surprisingly based in Ankara as well and offering stiff competition for the software people ... Hence the allied plane engine wise getting what Grumman was happily sticking into the F-14 before it ended ; and Al Crusading did its part of pushing Libya into the civil war of 2011 with footage of Tomcats supposedly still operational despite their retirement in 2006 , after easily outperforming the Subpar Hornet as a parting shot . As in they would come to assist the fight , because Kaddafi was paralysed by the fear of them Tomcats . Northrop Grumman must be seen involved in some fighter business to defeat Lockheed claims that they are mere dynosaurs . The airframe must be large enough to meet the range requirements of USN fighting the Chinese in 2040s , not because it will be the basis of a possible purchase for carrier service but Lockheed made a nice sow's ear from a silk purse and is liable to start small and enlarge it bit by bit until 2060 and some guys must be thinking big . And the guys have a secretary . So , the Brits who require the very same programme , because New Turkey will fight Iran as soon as the West can make it happen and New Turkey loves spending big , percentages and winning elections with what Kemalists could not and it's taxpayers money anyhow . Yeah , the Brits require the same because they will sell planes to Europeans , because their possible partnership with the Japanese might go sour , because of the millions of engineers (the Japanese really have) might either learn new tricks on the cheap or come to conclusion they are better off surrendering to the Chinese without a fight . So , the Brits have made their intensely Turkish nationalist company account release schematics of their glorious engine to be realized in some future and gloriously based on F-119 , the F-22/35 powerplant . We drive warp engines , but anyhow . So , the professor becomes the vessel . The secretary can breed , but will the Americans please go to hell ?



    naturally ı don't expect this will stop the dear critic telling this bunch of Americans that am gay ... Or unfaithful , or useless . Yeah , stuntwoman , this is obviously your fault !


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    because am a cheat , one would have to read the whole spoiler but fully relevant when it involves a car load of two males and two women to come back after chased away by a shop owner in the area ; just like the whole world indeed will do nothing about the idiot who will become next Saudi king , as he is "required" for Iran first , other losers just later ...

    also added the ottomans picture to the post of mine above
     
  17. Grisu

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    Wasn't one of the criticisms against Hilary that she's in the Saudi pocket and therefore must not be elected? That turned out pretty well, right?
     
  18. innonimatu

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    Indeed. It would be very ironic if what ultimately sunk him wasn't the allegations of russian interference but the ties between his son in law and the saudis!
     
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    Trump will do whatever it takes to honor “the contract”. Whether it requires lying publicly or acknowledging the truth is secondary, and, ultimately, irrelevant. Preserving the flow of oil and arms - that matters. People had their limbs cut off routinely over there in the kingdom, not to mention other ancient & beautiful traditions, which have been long condemned in the west. So, why exactly should commander-in-chief have a sudden change of heart and sell weapons to someone else, buy oil from someone else on account of an incident, which falls into the category of business as usual?

    He will go with a flavour of conspiracy, I think.
     
  20. r16

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    am embrassed . Tearing myself to write the dumbest posts and Trump like outperforms like brilliantly with saying maybe it's the world itself responsible for Kaşıkçı , because the world is a dirty rotten place . Maybe , as ı didn't the see English original of the talk .


    utterly reprimanded for using a mysterious bunch of test pilots , should used a mysterious cabal of test pilots , 'cause bunch implies some boys and antics while cabal indicates evil demonic assemblies that betray America with delaying the F-35 . Of which Trump supposedly thinks is unvisible to eye . Especially those who don't do carrots . Like perhaps maybe .

    have learned the ship laying the pipeline had a world record on August 26th , when Alparslan had taken Anatolia in 1071 and Kemal had "saved" the same in 1922 . Of course Kemal would fail to lay 6 kilometers of pipeline on some seabed , because in his time Korea was still a Japanese thing and there would be no Daewoo shipyards . Which also indicates it wasn't them Russians who built the pipes , too . When people trolled the Soviet Union , like why ı should be afraid of Russia ?

    plus the Saudi work of mudslinging . Supposedly his Egyptian wife in Islamic tradition deed done in 2018 , before his Turkish fiancee of covered head to be wed in "Western" ways , now that he got "got" for official documentation . With apologies to Mr. Kaşıkçı , for this was to end , but his fiancee has like totally joined the ranks of those who will tear him up , like if deep CIA ever lets him pop back ...
     

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