[GS] Science victory - GS - Elimination thread

[Tabarnak]

1. Alexander/Macedon [21]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [20]
3. Catherine/France [18]
4. Chandragupta/India [17]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [17]
6. Cyrus/Persia [17]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [22]
8. Eleanor/France [6]
9. Eleanor/England [15]
10. Frederick/Germany [21]
11. Gandhi/India [9]
12. Genghis Khan/Mongolia [15]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [21]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [20]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway [22]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [22]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [14] (17-3) : Nothing really interesting for them.
20. John Curtin/Australia [26] (25+1) : Always first in science in mp games. Adjency power!
21. Kristina/Sweden [18]
22. Kupe/Maori [18]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [15]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [15]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [20]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [20]
27. Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [17]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [23]
30. Pericles/Greece [22]
31. Peter/Russia [11]
32. Philip/Spain [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [24]
36. Saladin/Arabia [21]
37. Seondeok/Korea [26]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [20]
40. Tamar/Georgia [6]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [20]
42. Tomyris/Scythia [11]
43. Trajan/Rome [20]
44. Victoria/England [20]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [24]

 

[Kmart_Elvis]

1. Alexander/Macedon [21]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [20]
3. Catherine/France [18]
4. Chandragupta/India [17]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [17]
6. Cyrus/Persia [17]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [22]
8. Eleanor/France [6]
9. Eleanor/England [15]
10. Frederick/Germany [21]
11. Gandhi/India [9]
12. Genghis Khan/Mongolia [15]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [21]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [20]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway [22]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [22]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [14]
20. John Curtin/Australia [26]
21. Kristina/Sweden [18]
22. Kupe/Maori [18]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [15]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [15]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [20]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [20]
27. Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [17]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [23]
30. Pericles/Greece [22]
31. Peter/Russia [12] (11+1) Russia's massive faith economy makes them one of the best civs to use Jesuit Education, so they can get more out of it than most. For a religious civ, they're only beat by Arabia, and about equal to Spain, in science, but still ahead of India, Khmer, Georgia, etc. Peter's ability admittedly doesn't help when you're chasing after SV, so you shouldn't be behind anyone. Russia does at least have an ace up their sleeve: They're one of the best at leveraging the Monasticism (75% science in cities with Holy sites) dark age policy card. Half-price lavras make that easy for you to take advantage of. Suddenly your 40 science cities are now pumping out 70 science for that era. It's a great way to sling forward in science.
32. Philip/Spain [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [24]
36. Saladin/Arabia [21]
37. Seondeok/Korea [26]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [20]
40. Tamar/Georgia [3] (6-3) While I think civs with city state bonuses are versatile for every victory type, Georgia's require a lot of investment and set up that take away from a SV. Whereas Maori just needs to explore with warriors to find scientific city states first, or Greece just needs to build cheap acropolises, Georgia has to play a complicated game of converting and keeping city states to their religion.
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [20]
42. Tomyris/Scythia [11]
43. Trajan/Rome [20]
44. Victoria/England [20]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [24]

 

[markgo2k]

1. Alexander/Macedon [21]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [20]
3. Catherine/France [18]
4. Chandragupta/India [17]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [17]
6. Cyrus/Persia [17]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [22]
8. Eleanor/France [6]
9. Eleanor/England [15]
10. Frederick/Germany [21]
11. Gandhi/India [9]
12. Genghis Khan/Mongolia [15]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [21]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [20]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway [22]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [22]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [14]
20. John Curtin/Australia [26]
21. Kristina/Sweden [18]
22. Kupe/Maori [18]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [15]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [15]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [20]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [20]
27. Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [17]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [23]
30. Pericles/Greece [22]
31. Peter/Russia [12]
32. Philip/Spain [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [24]
36. Saladin/Arabia [21]
37. Seondeok/Korea [26]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [20]
40. Tamar/Georgia [3]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [20]
42. Tomyris/Scythia [8] (11-3) Tomyris rightfully deserved being the worst at SV. She is so comically mismatched, it's like playing at one difficulty level higher.
43. Trajan/Rome [20]
44. Victoria/England [21] (20+1) No way Victoria should be sitting at the average level, particularly when playing at higher difficulty levels. To get an SV, you have to a) survive early game (long enough to start building campuses), b) grow your cities fast during midgame to get a sustainable science advantage, c) generate ungodly amounts of production once you have the space techs. Vicky is solid at (a), good at (b) and excellent at (c). Although having no specific science bonuses, Royal Navy Dockyards are a huge win for SV: free electricity and free quick defense once they start producing ranged units. If you combine with golden age 4 citizen settlements, you can spam the globe quickly yet defensibly in the early mid game (also grabbing any sciencey NW tiles like Galapagos). Essentially, not having to worry about production or defense makes it easier to build and focus on science,
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [24]

Edited to include Kmart ninja post #s.

 

[Disgustipated]

1. Alexander/Macedon [21]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [20]
3. Catherine/France [18]
4. Chandragupta/India [17]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [17]
6. Cyrus/Persia [17]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [22]
8. Eleanor/France [6]
9. Eleanor/England [15]
10. Frederick/Germany [21]
11. Gandhi/India [6] = 9 - 3. Sorry Gandhi, unlike Peter, you have no advantage to getting a religion (early). While you do have Dharma, you can only hope and pray a religion spreads to your lands that allows you to faith by campus buildings. Good luck with that.
12. Genghis Khan/Mongolia [15]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [21]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [20]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway [22]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [22]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [14]
20. John Curtin/Australia [26]
21. Kristina/Sweden [18]
22. Kupe/Maori [18]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [15]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [15]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [20]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [20]
27. Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [17]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [23]
30. Pericles/Greece [22]
31. Peter/Russia [12]
32. Philip/Spain [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [25] = 24 + 1 Another vote for me. Takes a while to get going, but once they hit that gear you have plenty of science and production.
36. Saladin/Arabia [21]
37. Seondeok/Korea [26]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [20]
40. Tamar/Georgia [3]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [20]
42. Tomyris/Scythia [8]
43. Trajan/Rome [20]
44. Victoria/England [21]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [24]

 

[Loderingo]

1. Alexander/Macedon [21]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [20]
3. Catherine/France [18]
4. Chandragupta/India [17]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [17]
6. Cyrus/Persia [17]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [22]
8. Eleanor/France [6]
9. Eleanor/England [15]
10. Frederick/Germany [21]
11. Gandhi/India [6]
12. Genghis Khan/Mongolia [15]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [21]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [20]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway [22]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [22]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [14]
20. John Curtin/Australia [26]
21. Kristina/Sweden [18]
22. Kupe/Maori [18]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [15]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [15]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [20]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [21] - 20+1 - Spam Eagle Warriors, conquer a neighbour and use the free builders to quickly get campuses up and running.
27. Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [17]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [23]
30. Pericles/Greece [22]
31. Peter/Russia [12]
32. Philip/Spain [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [25]
36. Saladin/Arabia [21]
37. Seondeok/Korea [26]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [20]
40. Tamar/Georgia [3]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [17] - 20-3 - A good civ but badly suited for science victory. No bonuses to science or production and their UUs come very late.
42. Tomyris/Scythia [8]
43. Trajan/Rome [20]
44. Victoria/England [21]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [24]

 

[Leucarum]

1. Alexander/Macedon [21]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [20]
3. Catherine/France [18]
4. Chandragupta/India [17]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [17]
6. Cyrus/Persia [17]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [22]
8. Eleanor/France [6]
9. Eleanor/England [15]
10. Frederick/Germany [21]
11. Gandhi/India [6]
12. Genghis Khan/Mongolia [15]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [21]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [20]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway [22]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [22]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [14]
20. John Curtin/Australia [26]
21. Kristina/Sweden [18]
22. Kupe/Maori [18]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [15]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [15]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [20]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [21]
27. Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [17]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [23]
30. Pericles/Greece [23] (22+1) Culture helps a science victory and those city state bonuses Pericles can get easily are nothing to sneeze at.
31. Peter/Russia [12]
32. Philip/Spain [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [25]
36. Saladin/Arabia [21]
37. Seondeok/Korea [26]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [20]
40. Tamar/Georgia [0] (3-3 Eliminated) There's enough strong players on this list that Tamar should go pretty quick.
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [17]
42. Tomyris/Scythia [8]
43. Trajan/Rome [20]
44. Victoria/England [21]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [24]

 

[Xandinho]

1. Alexander/Macedon [21]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [20]
3. Catherine/France [18]
4. Chandragupta/India [17]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [17]
6. Cyrus/Persia [17]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [22]
8. Eleanor/France [6]
9. Eleanor/England [15]
10. Frederick/Germany [21]
11. Gandhi/India [6]
12. Genghis Khan/Mongolia [15]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [21]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [20]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway [23] 22+1. Getting science in non-traditional ways is quite fun, especially through naval plunder, since I am a player who likes to produce many ships.
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [22]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [14]
20. John Curtin/Australia [26]
21. Kristina/Sweden [18]
22. Kupe/Maori [18]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [15]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [15]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [20]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [21]
27. Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [17]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [23]
29. Pedro/Brazil [24]
30. Pericles/Greece [23]
31. Peter/Russia [12]
32. Philip/Spain [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [25]
36. Saladin/Arabia [21]
37. Seondeok/Korea [26]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [20]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [17]
42. Tomyris/Scythia [5] 8-3. I don't see much here that helps in the scientific race. Religious? Yes; Cultural? perhaps. But I don't see much scientific here.
43. Trajan/Rome [20]
44. Victoria/England [21]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [24]

 

[BenitoChavez]

1. Alexander/Macedon [21]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [20]
3. Catherine/France [18]
4. Chandragupta/India [17]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [17]
6. Cyrus/Persia [17]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [22]
8. Eleanor/France [6]
9. Eleanor/England [15]
10. Frederick/Germany [22] = 21 + 1. The Hansa is just good.
11. Gandhi/India [6]
12. Genghis Khan/Mongolia [15]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [21]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [20]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway [23]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [22]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [14]
20. John Curtin/Australia [26]
21. Kristina/Sweden [18]
22. Kupe/Maori [18]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [15]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [15]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [20]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [21]
27. Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [17]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [23]
29. Pedro/Brazil [24]
30. Pericles/Greece [23]
31. Peter/Russia [12]
32. Philip/Spain [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [25]
36. Saladin/Arabia [21]
37. Seondeok/Korea [26]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [17] = 20 - 3. Your standard warmonger. Doesn't bring much to a science victory other than conquering and some extra amenities.
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [17]
42. Tomyris/Scythia [5]
43. Trajan/Rome [20]
44. Victoria/England [21]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [24]

 

[Kmart_Elvis]

1. Alexander/Macedon [22] (21+1) Sure, he's a warmonger designed for Domination, but he also has some great alternative sources of science. Every time you conquer a city with a campus or encampment (practically every AI city), you get an eureka. And every time you build a unit in a city with a Basilikoi Paides, you get science from that. You can just keep pumping out unit after unit - don't worry about maintenance costs - just suicide them if needed (you don't even have to worry about war weariness!)
2. Amanitore/Nubia [20]
3. Catherine/France [18]
4. Chandragupta/India [17]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [17]
6. Cyrus/Persia [17]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [22]
8. Eleanor/France [6]
9. Eleanor/England [15]
10. Frederick/Germany [22]
11. Gandhi/India [6]
12. Genghis Khan/Mongolia [15]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [21]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [20]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway [23]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [22]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [14]
20. John Curtin/Australia [26]
21. Kristina/Sweden [18]
22. Kupe/Maori [18]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [15]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [15]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [20]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [21]
27. Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [17]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [23]
29. Pedro/Brazil [24]
30. Pericles/Greece [23]
31. Peter/Russia [12]
32. Philip/Spain [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [25]
36. Saladin/Arabia [21]
37. Seondeok/Korea [26]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [17]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [17]
42. Tomyris/Scythia [2] (5-3) This warmonger, on the other hand, offers nothing different from anyone else for science.
43. Trajan/Rome [20]
44. Victoria/England [21]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [24]

 

[Bangau]

1. Alexander/Macedon [22]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [20]
3. Catherine/France [18]
4. Chandragupta/India [17]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [17]
6. Cyrus/Persia [17]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [22]
8. Eleanor/France [6]
9. Eleanor/England [15]
10. Frederick/Germany [22]
11. Gandhi/India [6]
12. Genghis Khan/Mongolia [15]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [21]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [20]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway [23]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [22]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [14]
20. John Curtin/Australia [27] (26+1) Is he good? Is he great? Is he OP? For sure he's a top SV contender. Those adjancencies on all districts you need can get very sweet.
21. Kristina/Sweden [18]
22. Kupe/Maori [18]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [15]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [15]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [20]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [21]
27. Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [17]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [23]
29. Pedro/Brazil [24]
30. Pericles/Greece [23]
31. Peter/Russia [9] (12-3) Has an ability designed to compensate for him being behind in science. For sure not a SV top player.
32. Philip/Spain [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [25]
36. Saladin/Arabia [21]
37. Seondeok/Korea [26]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [17]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [17]
42. Tomyris/Scythia [2]
43. Trajan/Rome [20]
44. Victoria/England [21]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [24]

 

[Loderingo]

1. Alexander/Macedon [23] - 22+1 - as mentioned a couple of posts above, a warmonger who can easily switch to a science victory
2. Amanitore/Nubia [20]
3. Catherine/France [18]
4. Chandragupta/India [17]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [17]
6. Cyrus/Persia [17]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [22]
8. Eleanor/France [6]
9. Eleanor/England [15]
10. Frederick/Germany [22]
11. Gandhi/India [6]
12. Genghis Khan/Mongolia [15]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [21]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [20]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway [23]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [22]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [14]
20. John Curtin/Australia [27]
21. Kristina/Sweden [18]
22. Kupe/Maori [18]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [15]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [15]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [20]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [21]
27. Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [17]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [23]
29. Pedro/Brazil [24]
30. Pericles/Greece [23]
31. Peter/Russia [9]
32. Philip/Spain [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [25]
36. Saladin/Arabia [21]
37. Seondeok/Korea [26]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [17]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [17]
42. Tomyris/Scythia [0] 2-3 - ELIMINATED - Not a top tier civ to start with and has nothing to help with science victory
43. Trajan/Rome [20]
44. Victoria/England [21]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [24]

 

[Tabarnak]

1. Alexander/Macedon [23]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [20]
3. Catherine/France [18]
4. Chandragupta/India [17]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [17]
6. Cyrus/Persia [17]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [22]
8. Eleanor/France [6]
9. Eleanor/England [15]
10. Frederick/Germany [22]
11. Gandhi/India [3] (6-3): Not really suited for science. And Varus aren't the best units around to conquer fast and get science from it.
12. Genghis Khan/Mongolia [15]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [21]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [20]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway [23]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [22]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [14]
20. John Curtin/Australia [27]
21. Kristina/Sweden [18]
22. Kupe/Maori [18]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [15]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [15]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [20]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [21]
27. Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [17]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [23]
29. Pedro/Brazil [24]
30. Pericles/Greece [23]
31. Peter/Russia [9]
32. Philip/Spain [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [25]
36. Saladin/Arabia [21]
37. Seondeok/Korea [26]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [17]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [17]
43. Trajan/Rome [20]
44. Victoria/England [22] (21+1) : Well i played a game yesterday with harbors into science and the boost can be something really interesting, especially when you can also raise food and prod from internal routes with them. Get Reyna with a harbor/comm hub combo for better effects. Getting 2 golden ages back to back is difficult but the medieval one is a must for science boost from harbors.
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [24]

 

[Disgustipated]

1. Alexander/Macedon [23]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [20]
3. Catherine/France [18]
4. Chandragupta/India [17]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [17]
6. Cyrus/Persia [17]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [22]
8. Eleanor/France [6]
9. Eleanor/England [15]
10. Frederick/Germany [22]
11. Gandhi/India [Eliminated] 3 - 3. Nothing really works here. Getting a religion early (and getting the faith buy campus buildings) is difficult with their full price holy districts. Their uu isn't fast enough to pillage a whole lot either, though you could conquer your way to science, but so can nearly everyone else.You can only hope a religion spreads to you so Dharma can give you the follower belief to faith buy campus buildings. Good luck with that.
12. Genghis Khan/Mongolia [15]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [21]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [20]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway [23]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [22]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [14]
20. John Curtin/Australia [27]
21. Kristina/Sweden [18]
22. Kupe/Maori [18]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [15]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [15]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [20]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [21]
27. Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [17]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [23]
29. Pedro/Brazil [25] = 24 + 1 massive adjacencies is massive adjacencies. There is a little bit of luck here, as you are likely to have less rainforest than Korea has hills, but the gameplay is simply better with Pedro than Korea. You actually have to plan and save those rainforests.
30. Pericles/Greece [23]
31. Peter/Russia [9]
32. Philip/Spain [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [25]
36. Saladin/Arabia [21]
37. Seondeok/Korea [26]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [17]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [17]
43. Trajan/Rome [20]
44. Victoria/England [22]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [24]

 

[bengalryan9]

1. Alexander/Macedon [23]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [20]
3. Catherine/France [18]
4. Chandragupta/India [17] I think you guys are really overselling how difficult it is to take advantage of Dharma, especially on higher difficulties where the AI has no problem drowning you in apostles, but whatever. Not saying it's great, but I think it keeps India from the bottom of the list.
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [17]
6. Cyrus/Persia [17]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [22]
8. Eleanor/France [6]
9. Eleanor/England [15]
10. Frederick/Germany [22]
12. Genghis Khan/Mongolia [15]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [21]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [20]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway [23]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [22]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [14]
20. John Curtin/Australia [27]
21. Kristina/Sweden [18]
22. Kupe/Maori [18]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [12] (15-3) Lautaro, meanwhile, gets nothing to help with an SV but a mountain starting bias and a culture UI that will compete with Campuses for those same spots.
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [15]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [20]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [21]
27. Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [17]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [23]
29. Pedro/Brazil [25]
30. Pericles/Greece [23]
31. Peter/Russia [9]
32. Philip/Spain [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [26] (25+1) Set up to take advantage of both science and production with Scottish Enlightenment.
36. Saladin/Arabia [21]
37. Seondeok/Korea [26]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [17]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [17]
43. Trajan/Rome [20]
44. Victoria/England [22]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [24]

 

[Leucarum]

1. Alexander/Macedon [23]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [20]
3. Catherine/France [18]
4. Chandragupta/India [17]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [17]
6. Cyrus/Persia [17]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [22]
8. Eleanor/France [6]
9. Eleanor/England [15]
10. Frederick/Germany [22]
12. Genghis Khan/Mongolia [15]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [21]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [20]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway [23]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [22]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [14]
20. John Curtin/Australia [27]
21. Kristina/Sweden [18]
22. Kupe/Maori [18]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [12]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [15]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [20]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [21]
27. Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [17]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [24] These guys can really take advantage of a mountain start bias.
29. Pedro/Brazil [25]
30. Pericles/Greece [23]
31. Peter/Russia [9]
32. Philip/Spain [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [26]
36. Saladin/Arabia [21]
37. Seondeok/Korea [26]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [14] (17-3) No bonuses that help with science over just flat out domination.
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [17]
43. Trajan/Rome [20]
44. Victoria/England [22]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [24]

 

[Loderingo]

1. Alexander/Macedon [23]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [21] - 20+1 - Good production and can catch up on science by conquering a neighbour early on
3. Catherine/France [18]
4. Chandragupta/India [17]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [17]
6. Cyrus/Persia [17]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [22]
8. Eleanor/France [3] - 6-3 - Nothing to help with SV and not particularly strong
9. Eleanor/England [15]
10. Frederick/Germany [22]
12. Genghis Khan/Mongolia [15]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [21]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [20]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway [23]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [22]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [14]
20. John Curtin/Australia [27]
21. Kristina/Sweden [18]
22. Kupe/Maori [18]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [12]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [15]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [20]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [21]
27. Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [17]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [24]
29. Pedro/Brazil [25]
30. Pericles/Greece [23]
31. Peter/Russia [9]
32. Philip/Spain [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [26]
36. Saladin/Arabia [21]
37. Seondeok/Korea [26]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [14]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [17]
43. Trajan/Rome [20]
44. Victoria/England [22]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [24]

 

[Kmart_Elvis]

1. Alexander/Macedon [23]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [21]
3. Catherine/France [18]
4. Chandragupta/India [17]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [17]
6. Cyrus/Persia [17]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [22]
8. Eleanor/France [4] (3+1) There's not much for SV for Eleanor especially, but everyone is overlooking the 20% bonus to key wonders. I've done a French SV before and relied on Oxford (for the extra science), Kilwa (even more crazy amounts of science with 3 scientific city state suzerains) and Ruhr (precious production for my space projects. All those wonders fall under the 20% bonus, and throw in the Gothic Architecture policy card for even faster construction.
9. Eleanor/England [15]
10. Frederick/Germany [22]
12. Genghis Khan/Mongolia [12] (15-3) just like Tomyris and Shaka who have both been eliminated, yet another warmonger with nothing special for SV
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [21]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [20]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway [23]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [22]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [14]
20. John Curtin/Australia [27]
21. Kristina/Sweden [18]
22. Kupe/Maori [18]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [12]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [15]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [20]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [21]
27. Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [17]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [24]
29. Pedro/Brazil [25]
30. Pericles/Greece [23]
31. Peter/Russia [9]
32. Philip/Spain [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [26]
36. Saladin/Arabia [21]
37. Seondeok/Korea [26]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [14]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [17]
43. Trajan/Rome [20]
44. Victoria/England [22]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [24]

 

[Wyvern_Parade]

1. Alexander/Macedon [23]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [21]
3. Catherine/France [18]
4. Chandragupta/India [17]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [17]
6. Cyrus/Persia [17]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [22]
8. Eleanor/France [4]
9. Eleanor/England [15]
10. Frederick/Germany [22]
12. Genghis Khan/Mongolia [12]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [21]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [20]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway [23]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [22]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [14]
20. John Curtin/Australia [27]
21. Kristina/Sweden [18]
22. Kupe/Maori [18]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [12]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [15]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [20]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [21]
27. Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [17]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [24]
29. Pedro/Brazil [25]
30. Pericles/Greece [23]
31. Peter/Russia [10] (9+1) Not time for Russia to go yet. They certainly aren't a top 10 science civ, but there are so many weaker ones left. Other than Arabia and possibly Spain, Russia is probably the strongest religious focused civ for a science victory. They can take advantage of Jesuit education extremely well (and actually have bonuses toward getting a religion so you can get it). And their classical/medieval Monumentality Golden age allows you to spam tons of early cities to get your campuses up and running sooner. Even their trade route bonus is useful for catching up in science early game on Deity. Being able to settle good production cities in tundra is helpful for completing science projects. Compared to remaining civs like Eleanor, India, or America I think Russia has many more advantages toward a science victory, even if they're not particularly designed for it.
32. Philip/Spain [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [26]
36. Saladin/Arabia [21]
37. Seondeok/Korea [26]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [14]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [14](17-3) Founding Fathers gives you some more flexibility throughout the game, but nothing here screams science victory. And they aren't a particularly strong civ in general.
43. Trajan/Rome [20]
44. Victoria/England [22]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [24]

 

[kryat]

1. Alexander/Macedon [23]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [21]
3. Catherine/France [18]
4. Chandragupta/India [17]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [17]
6. Cyrus/Persia [14] (17-3) Great for other things, but nothing screams science.
7. Dido/Phoenicia [22]
8. Eleanor/France [4]
9. Eleanor/England [15]
10. Frederick/Germany [22]
12. Genghis Khan/Mongolia [12]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [21]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [21] (20+1) Plato’s Republic works for both leaders, and while her culture generation is a bit swingier than his, the wildcard is still powerful.
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway [23]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [22]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [14]
20. John Curtin/Australia [27]
21. Kristina/Sweden [18]
22. Kupe/Maori [18]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [12]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [15]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [20]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [21]
27. Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [17]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [24]
29. Pedro/Brazil [25]
30. Pericles/Greece [23]
31. Peter/Russia [10]
32. Philip/Spain [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [26]
36. Saladin/Arabia [21]
37. Seondeok/Korea [26]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [14]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [14]
43. Trajan/Rome [20]
44. Victoria/England [22]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [24]

 

[Disgustipated]

1. Alexander/Macedon [23]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [21]
3. Catherine/France [18]
4. Chandragupta/India [17]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [17]
6. Cyrus/Persia [14]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [22]
8. Eleanor/France [4]
9. Eleanor/England [15]
10. Frederick/Germany [22]
12. Genghis Khan/Mongolia [12]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [21]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [21]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway [23]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [22]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [14]
20. John Curtin/Australia [27]
21. Kristina/Sweden [18]
22. Kupe/Maori [18]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [12]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [15]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [20]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [21]
27. Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [17]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [24]
29. Pedro/Brazil [25]
30. Pericles/Greece [23]
31. Peter/Russia [11] = 10 + 1 Have to agree with above, it's too early for them to fall. Unlike India, Peter can use those half price Lavra's to hopefully get an early religion and can choose Jesuit education as a belief. Certainly not top 10 material here since there is uncertainty, but not bottom 10 either.
32. Philip/Spain [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [26]
36. Saladin/Arabia [21]
37. Seondeok/Korea [26]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [14]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [14]
43. Trajan/Rome [17] = 20 - 3. A useful and convenient civ all around, but nothing really helps in science (though the culture indirectly helps with faster governments and whatnot). Amenities from the Bath are nice, but not necessary. The slight positive is cheap bath's will boost industrial zones. But you still need a way to get science.
44. Victoria/England [22]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [24]