Scores killed in China protests

[chad187]

Scores killed in China protests

Violence in China's restive western region of Xinjiang has left at least 140 people dead and more than 800 people injured, state media say.

Several hundred people were arrested after a protest, in the city of Urumqi on Sunday, turned violent.

Beijing says Uighurs went on the rampage but one exiled Uighur leader says police fired on students.

The protest was reportedly prompted by a deadly fight between Uighurs and Han Chinese in southern China last month.

The BBC's Chris Hogg in Shanghai says this is one of the most serious clashes between the authorities and demonstrators in China since Tiananmen Square in 1989.

'Dark day'

Eyewitnesses said the violence started on Sunday in Urumqi after a protest of a few hundred people grew to more than 1,000.

Xinhua says the protesters carried knives, bricks and batons, smashed cars and stores, and fought with security forces.

Wu Nong, news director for the Xinjiang government, said more than 260 vehicles were attacked and more than 200 shops and houses damaged.

Most of the violence is reported to have taken place in the city centre, around Renmin (People's) Square, Jiefang and Xinhua South Roads and the Bazaar.

The police presence was reported to be heavy on Monday.

Adam Grode, an American studying in Urumqi, told Associated Press: "There are soldiers everywhere, police are at all the corners. Traffic has completely stopped."

UIGHURS AND XINJIANG
# Uighurs are ethnically Turkic Muslims
# They make up about 45% of the region's population. 40% are Han Chinese
# China re-established control in 1949 after crushing short-lived state of East Turkestan
# Since then, large-scale immigration of Han Chinese
# Uighurs fear erosion of traditional culture
# Sporadic violence since 1991
# Attack on 4 Aug 2008 near Kashgar kills 16 Chinese policemen

A witness in the Xinjiang city of Kashgar told AP there was a protest there on Monday of about 300 people but there were no clashes with police.

It is still unclear who died in Urumqi and why so many were killed.

The Xinjiang government blamed separatist Uighurs based abroad for orchestrating attacks on ethnic Han Chinese.

But Uighur groups insisted their protest was peaceful and had fallen victim to state violence, with police firing indiscriminately on protesters in Urumqi.

Dolkun Isa, a spokesman for the World Uyghur Congress (WUC) in Munich, disputed the official figures, saying the protest was 10,000 strong and that 600 people were killed.

He rejected reports on Xinhua that it had instigated the protests.

Xinhua had quoted the Xinjiang government as blaming WUC leader Rebiya Kadeer for "masterminding" the violence.

But Mr Isa said the WUC had called on Friday only for protests at Chinese embassies around the world.

Alim Seytoff, the vice-president of another Uighur group - the US-based Uighur American Association - condemned the "heavy-handed" actions of the security forces.

"We ask the international community to condemn China's killing of innocent Uighurs. This is a very dark day in the history of the Uighur people," he said.

When asked about the rioting, UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon said that all governments must protect freedom of speech and "the life and safety of civilian populations".

A spokesman for UK PM Gordon Brown said Britain was urging "restraint on all sides".

Italian President Giorgio Napolitano said he had raised the issue of human rights with visiting Chinese President Hu Jintao in Rome.

Internet blocks

The Uighurs in Urumqi were reportedly angry over an ethnic clash last month in the city of Shaoguan in southern Guangdong province.

A man there was said to have posted a message on a local website claiming six boys from Xinjiang had "raped two innocent girls".

Police said the false claim sparked a vicious brawl between Han and Uighur ethnic groups at a factory. Two Uighurs were killed and 118 people were injured.

BBC sources in China report they have been unable to open the Twitter messaging site in Shanghai and that message boards on Xinjiang on a number of websites were not taking posts.

Reports from Xinjiang suggest some internet and mobile phone services have been blocked.

Analysts say the government's so-called Great Firewall of China, which it uses to block unwanted internet material, will prevent large-scale dissemination of information but that dedicated internet users can bypass it fairly easily.

BBC China editor Shirong Chen says there has been ethnic tension in Xinjiang since before the founding of the People's Republic.

Some of its Uighur population of about eight million want to break away from China and its majority Han Chinese population.

The authorities say police are securing order across the region and anyone creating a disturbance will be detained and punished.

However, our China editor says there may be questions asked about their inability to prevent a protest they knew about days in advance.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8135203.stm#map

hmm i wonder is this was Tibet would it be getting alot more attention?

 

[aelf]

These are clearly gays, and since they show themselves to the public and make trouble, they need to be shot.

 

[dido]

Muslim terrorists!

 

[Bill3000]

FREE UIGHURSTAN

 

[aelf]

Uighurs (and gays) are perfectly acceptable. They just have to keep their identity a secret and remain low-profile.

 

[GoodGame]

This is very sad.

 

[chad187]

If China admits to 140 than it must be about 1400 dead....

 

[Erik Mesoy]

FREE UIGHURSTAN

On that subject, a handy guide to telling apart two similar groups of people.

UIGHURS:

WIGGERS:

 

[aelf]

Those guys in the first picture are totally gay. No good for hiding their dirty gay identity if they hang out with their lovers in public.

 

[Phlegmak]

Well, there are posters here on Civfanatics which support Chinese massmurder of innocents, so no doubt we'll get some supporters chiming in soon.

 

[aelf]

Well, there are posters here on Civfanatics which support Chinese massmurder of innocents, so no doubt we'll get some supporters chiming in soon.

There will be no mass murders if they keep a low profile. Those who are for them not keeping a low profile are the real supporters of mass murder.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Well, there are posters here on Civfanatics which support Chinese massmurder of innocents, so no doubt we'll get some supporters chiming in soon.

"Chinese massmurder of innocents"?

Eyewitnesses said the violence started on Sunday in Urumqi after a protest of a few hundred people grew to more than 1,000.

Xinhua says the protesters carried knives, bricks and batons, smashed cars and stores, and fought with security forces.

Wu Nong, news director for the Xinjiang government, said more than 260 vehicles were attacked and more than 200 shops and houses damaged.

Those don't sound like innocents to me. Do they to you?

It seems pretty clear to me what happened. Violent Protestors + Totalitarian Country = Dead Protestors. Are you actually surprised that this might happen given the apparent circumstances?

And I bet you actually think I am "supporting" China by merely questioning your rhetoric. Nothing could be further from the truth. I have no idea why they want that particular piece of real estate. I simply don't think anybody was 'innocent', and you can hardly call the police in a police state killing violent protestors to be "massmurder".

There will be no mass murders if they keep a low profile. Those who are for them not keeping a low profile are the real supporters of mass murder.

Indeed. It is all too easy to foment rebellion from afar. It is quite another when you may actually die as a result.

 

[chad187]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8136944.stm

pretty much all communications in the city have been shut down.

 

[El Koeno]

It's a shame. If the Uighurs were Buddhist in stead of Muslim they'd have a lot more support. They're being treated pretty badly by the Chinese government it seems...

 

[Imperialmajesty]

Nice to see that Han imperialism is still going strong.

 

[carmen510]

This isn't what I would call "scores", but tragic nonetheless.

"Some" Uighers probably isn't the entire population though. I still think the region should be part of China.

 

[dido]

It's a shame. If the Uighurs were Buddhist in stead of Muslim they'd have a lot more support. They're being treated pretty badly by the Chinese government it seems...

But TBH, Uighurs are not quite as peaceful as the Tibetans to begin with

 

[Bill3000]

But TBH, Uighurs are not quite as peaceful as the Tibetans to begin with

Who cares? Violence is justified against an oppressive regime like China.

 

[Narz]

This isn't what I would call "scores", but tragic nonetheless.

Well maybe not by Chinese standards (works for both parts of the sentence actually ).

 

[Ramius75]

Who cares? Violence is justified against an oppressive regime like China.

wonder how many Han chinese were killed in this violence.