Scottish civ.. Any interest?
- Thread starter Shockwave
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damn right mate. esp if you can do it as well as that guy that did the danish mod so that it doesn't replace any of the current civs and has its own leader pic and all that.
i know you got your own idea's but i just thought i give you mine too.
Skills =
Scientific: cos so many things were invented by scots its unreal
Miltaristic: cos we got into a quite a few fights even if we did lose most of them and none of the others really fit either.
Unique Unit:
Gotta be the Highlander Regiment though his actual stats are what matters. Has to be in the middle ages somewhere... pref. b4 gunpoweder which leaves only the knights and pikemen to replace with.
How about instead of the knights he is a 6/1/1 needing only iron.
This makes him much stronger in the offence but extremely slow and week.
Leader:
Wallace or Robert the Bruce obviously spring to mind but seeing as how Wallace never actually gained control of Scotland, you would have to go with Robert the Bruce.
Obviously you could have Wallace and Bonnie Prince Charlie (even though he was actually born in france. sssshhh
.
what else...
um. Favoured Government = Monarchy.
Favoured and Hated Enemy = The English.
Favoured Ally = The French
everythings pretty straightforward except for that Highlander unit... mmmm
-ChumChum
i know you got your own idea's but i just thought i give you mine too.
Skills =
Scientific: cos so many things were invented by scots its unreal
Miltaristic: cos we got into a quite a few fights even if we did lose most of them and none of the others really fit either.
Unique Unit:
Gotta be the Highlander Regiment though his actual stats are what matters. Has to be in the middle ages somewhere... pref. b4 gunpoweder which leaves only the knights and pikemen to replace with.
How about instead of the knights he is a 6/1/1 needing only iron.
This makes him much stronger in the offence but extremely slow and week.
Leader:
Wallace or Robert the Bruce obviously spring to mind but seeing as how Wallace never actually gained control of Scotland, you would have to go with Robert the Bruce.
Obviously you could have Wallace and Bonnie Prince Charlie (even though he was actually born in france. sssshhh
.what else...
um. Favoured Government = Monarchy.
Favoured and Hated Enemy = The English.
Favoured Ally = The French
everythings pretty straightforward except for that Highlander unit... mmmm
-ChumChum
Aye, Scientific/Milltaristic was what I was aiming for 
Actual Leader: Was tempted wtih Queen Mary and use Wallace, Robert the Bruce, Charlie et all as army leaders.
UU: Rather than highlander use "Clansman" (after all, on a random map we might end up no-where near hills and mountains). Was thinking:
Iron Working
3/2/1 (all tiles as roads)
3/2/2
Actual Leader: Was tempted wtih Queen Mary and use Wallace, Robert the Bruce, Charlie et all as army leaders.
UU: Rather than highlander use "Clansman" (after all, on a random map we might end up no-where near hills and mountains). Was thinking:
Iron Working
3/2/1 (all tiles as roads)
3/2/2
Super Mutant
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why not both?
well not both cos you want it to fit in with the rest of the game. as a good mod should.
trouble with clansman (or anything modifying bronze age units) is that the 'golden' age of scotland really wasn't in the ancient times, more the middle ages.
another trouble with the clansman is the same as was pointed out in another thread is that really civ3 strives for romantic imagary above actual history. and people playing a scotland mod are going to want to play with highlanders.
but the uses all tiles as roads is a great idea. didn't know that wass still possible as the partisan/alpine trooper were made extinct.
with that i suggest that you modify the knight to an unmounted warrior a la the samurai but have him "4/3/1 treats all ground as roads" which is cool as it makes him especially effective in hills and mountains.
trouble with clansman (or anything modifying bronze age units) is that the 'golden' age of scotland really wasn't in the ancient times, more the middle ages.
another trouble with the clansman is the same as was pointed out in another thread is that really civ3 strives for romantic imagary above actual history. and people playing a scotland mod are going to want to play with highlanders.
but the uses all tiles as roads is a great idea. didn't know that wass still possible as the partisan/alpine trooper were made extinct.
with that i suggest that you modify the knight to an unmounted warrior a la the samurai but have him "4/3/1 treats all ground as roads" which is cool as it makes him especially effective in hills and mountains.
Shaitan
der Besucher
Some excellent ideas here. I'd shy away from Mary, Queen of Scots though. She was certainly a tragic figure but she wasn't a very good queen. The Bruce is an excellent choice. Kenneth the First (Kenneth MacAlpin) would be a good one as well. He's not as well known (because he never had a movie made about him) but he is the founder of Scotland. He joined the kingdom of Dalraida (Celtic Scots) with the kingdom of the Picts, creating a kingdom that encompassed most of what is now Scotland. I think the reason that he's not a favorite history subject is that he did it without conquest.
Some easy wonders:
Replace the Great Wall with Hadrian's Wall (yes it was built by Rome, but it's Scotish now! )
Replace the Forbidden Palace with the Stone of Scone
Some easy wonders:
Replace the Great Wall with Hadrian's Wall (yes it was built by Rome, but it's Scotish now!
)Replace the Forbidden Palace with the Stone of Scone
Pangur Bán
Deconstructed
It's a great idea. Robert the Bruce should definitely be the leader. Mary Stewart is famous, but not really a high standard ruler and William Wallace was more of a warrior than a ruler, so is better placed as an army leader.
I would suggest that the cities should be:
Edinburgh
Glasgow
Stirling
Perth
Dunfermline
St Andrews
Dundee
Aberdeen
Falkirk
Dunadd
Dumbarton
Dunkeld
Scone
Arbroath
Montrose
Brechin
Nechtansmere
Forfar
Inchtuthill
Bannockburn
Hamilton
Lanark
Ayr
Inverary
Glencoe
Inverness
Wick
Paisley
New Lanark
Traprain Law
Whithorn
Melrose
Kelso
Roxburgh
Jedburgh
Dumfries
Dunbar
Blair Atholl
Ardgour
Culloden
Pitlochry
Elgin
Nairn
Glenfinnen
Helensburgh
Greenock
Clydebank
Motherwell
Airdrie
Coatbridge
Kilmarnock
Iona
Stornoway
Portree
Kyle of Lochalsh
Bowmore
Kirkwall
Lerwick
The gret leaders should be:
William Wallace
Kenneth MacAlpine
Marquess of Montrose
Black Douglas
Bonnie Prince Charlie
Malcolm Canmore
Brude
James IV
Andrew Moray
Patrick Gordon
The bonuses should be scientific and either industrious or religious.
I would suggest that the cities should be:
Edinburgh
Glasgow
Stirling
Perth
Dunfermline
St Andrews
Dundee
Aberdeen
Falkirk
Dunadd
Dumbarton
Dunkeld
Scone
Arbroath
Montrose
Brechin
Nechtansmere
Forfar
Inchtuthill
Bannockburn
Hamilton
Lanark
Ayr
Inverary
Glencoe
Inverness
Wick
Paisley
New Lanark
Traprain Law
Whithorn
Melrose
Kelso
Roxburgh
Jedburgh
Dumfries
Dunbar
Blair Atholl
Ardgour
Culloden
Pitlochry
Elgin
Nairn
Glenfinnen
Helensburgh
Greenock
Clydebank
Motherwell
Airdrie
Coatbridge
Kilmarnock
Iona
Stornoway
Portree
Kyle of Lochalsh
Bowmore
Kirkwall
Lerwick
The gret leaders should be:
William Wallace
Kenneth MacAlpine
Marquess of Montrose
Black Douglas
Bonnie Prince Charlie
Malcolm Canmore
Brude
James IV
Andrew Moray
Patrick Gordon
The bonuses should be scientific and either industrious or religious.
A Scottish Civilisation would be a great idea for Civ3.
I also agree for the main attributes to be science and military.
Actual leader of Scotland would better as Robert the Bruce.
here im going to be very picky. A highlander unit would be great but i feel it wouldn't be right. Maybe a unit to replace the musketman would be better. The reason behind this was the sheer power of the scottish rifleman. After the union of Britain Scottish regiments were involved in the Wars in India and against Napoleon. In these was, scottish regiments were the most feared in the world, but this wasn't just to do with their power. The major point of the scottish regiments was that they employed the Highland charge. Could an individual unit be given a special ability like this, giving them a major bonus in offense. The unit itself could be called the Scots Guard or something like that.
Also wasn't Dunfermline the ancient capital of Scotland :shotgun: :soldier:
I also agree for the main attributes to be science and military.
Actual leader of Scotland would better as Robert the Bruce.
here im going to be very picky. A highlander unit would be great but i feel it wouldn't be right. Maybe a unit to replace the musketman would be better. The reason behind this was the sheer power of the scottish rifleman. After the union of Britain Scottish regiments were involved in the Wars in India and against Napoleon. In these was, scottish regiments were the most feared in the world, but this wasn't just to do with their power. The major point of the scottish regiments was that they employed the Highland charge. Could an individual unit be given a special ability like this, giving them a major bonus in offense. The unit itself could be called the Scots Guard or something like that.
Also wasn't Dunfermline the ancient capital of Scotland :shotgun: :soldier:
Pangur Bán
Deconstructed
I think there is no question that Edinburgh should be the capital.
Firstly, even though it is slightly anachronistic to think of capital cities before modern times, if you define them as the place where central authority resides most, Edinburgh has been the capital longer than any other single place. Scotland's original capital was Dunadd in Argyllshire (Dalriada). After that it moved alot, to places like Dunkeld, Dunfermline and Stirling. Edinburgh has been the capital for the six centuries since.
Secondly, Edinburgh was and is Scotland's most important cultural centre and was one of the two or three most influential cities of the European Enlightenment.
I don't think that Scotland should have a military bonus rather than a industrious or religious one. The many wars Scotland fought as an independent country do not put her ahead of the other civs in this respect. Nor is the fact that Scotland provided such a large portion of the British Empire's soldiers more important than Scotland's leading role in the industrial revolution or centuries of over-the-top Calvinism.
Firstly, even though it is slightly anachronistic to think of capital cities before modern times, if you define them as the place where central authority resides most, Edinburgh has been the capital longer than any other single place. Scotland's original capital was Dunadd in Argyllshire (Dalriada). After that it moved alot, to places like Dunkeld, Dunfermline and Stirling. Edinburgh has been the capital for the six centuries since.
Secondly, Edinburgh was and is Scotland's most important cultural centre and was one of the two or three most influential cities of the European Enlightenment.
I don't think that Scotland should have a military bonus rather than a industrious or religious one. The many wars Scotland fought as an independent country do not put her ahead of the other civs in this respect. Nor is the fact that Scotland provided such a large portion of the British Empire's soldiers more important than Scotland's leading role in the industrial revolution or centuries of over-the-top Calvinism.
Pangur Bán
Deconstructed
Shockwave, how is the Scots civ coming along?
Cabal
Chieftain
Shockwave, here's my 2 cents on your proposed Scotland mod:
The Scottish special unit:
I love the idea of the Clansman as an early-game unit. The thought of a modified Warrior icon in a kilt, with targe and broadsword, just tickles me.
But a lot of other Civs get their special units around the early middle ages - there's what, two alternate Swordsmen, and like THREE alternate Knights? - so it might be better to go with the Highlander unit and save it for a little later in the game. I'd suggest the following:
Replace Rifleman with Highlander
Rifleman: 4/6/1
Highlander: 8/4/1 (or 7/4/1, if you can get the "treat all squares as roads" mod to work)
This would give the Highlander unit the appropriate offensive punch - the Scots were/are traditionally devastating on the attack - and, in conjunction with the more defensive Infantry unit, would make the Highlander useful for the rest of the game.
Other thoughts:
Scot civ attributes: Militaristic & Scientific, definitely
Preferred Gov: Monarchy
Ruler: Has to be Robert the Bruce. Mary was colorful, but not a good monarch. Besides, she was about as Scottish as Groucho Marx; the Bruce was home-grown.
Cities & Leaders: Calgacus's list is fab! Being roguish, though, I'd like to add Rob Roy MacGregor as a Leader as well...
One last idea: How about giving the Scots the ability to found cities on mountains? If you've ever been to the Highlands, you know that this is appropriate! This could be balanced by increased Shield costs for building improvements and units in such a city.
Keep us posted!
The Scottish special unit:
I love the idea of the Clansman as an early-game unit. The thought of a modified Warrior icon in a kilt, with targe and broadsword, just tickles me.
But a lot of other Civs get their special units around the early middle ages - there's what, two alternate Swordsmen, and like THREE alternate Knights? - so it might be better to go with the Highlander unit and save it for a little later in the game. I'd suggest the following:Replace Rifleman with Highlander
Rifleman: 4/6/1
Highlander: 8/4/1 (or 7/4/1, if you can get the "treat all squares as roads" mod to work)
This would give the Highlander unit the appropriate offensive punch - the Scots were/are traditionally devastating on the attack - and, in conjunction with the more defensive Infantry unit, would make the Highlander useful for the rest of the game.
Other thoughts:
Scot civ attributes: Militaristic & Scientific, definitely
Preferred Gov: Monarchy
Ruler: Has to be Robert the Bruce. Mary was colorful, but not a good monarch. Besides, she was about as Scottish as Groucho Marx; the Bruce was home-grown.
Cities & Leaders: Calgacus's list is fab! Being roguish, though, I'd like to add Rob Roy MacGregor as a Leader as well...
One last idea: How about giving the Scots the ability to found cities on mountains? If you've ever been to the Highlands, you know that this is appropriate! This could be balanced by increased Shield costs for building improvements and units in such a city.
Keep us posted!
Shaitan
der Besucher
He was definitely a Scot, but not the homegrown sort. The Bruce was actually of Norman descent, not Celtic.
Cabal
Chieftain
True enough, Shaitan. But since by that time there was a fair amount of Norman-Celtic mixing going on, I figure he's as close as we'll get. Mary, on the other hand, was pretty much Continental through and through; one of the many interesting consequences of the Auld Alliance that she was able to call herself "Queen of Scots" at all...
Shaitan
der Besucher
Don't forget Bannockburn! The site of Robert the Bruce's victory over Edward. Plus, you can't get more Scottish sounding than "Bannockburn".
Pangur Bán
Deconstructed
There ye go, Shaitan, I've edited the list to include Bannockburn. Plus, to even it out I also added Culloden.
