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SCOTUS news and opinions
- Thread starter Birdjaguar
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Broken_Erika
Play with me.
All Biden needs to do is make Trump's murder an official act by employing his role of Commander in Chief and order Seal Team 6 (or others) to do so because of Trump's risk to national security.
Zardnaar
Deity
Isn't it up to Scotus to determine what's an official act?
And the Comnander found refuse illegal order? Biden may be immune the commander isn't
He is probably better off doing it between the election and the inauguration.
Presumably with the set order of precedence there is always a set of people that can be killed to change the party of the presidency. If it would not be a Dem on Jan 20th Biden could legally kill the right set of people to ensure it is on Jan 19th. That basically ensures that the party in charge never need change again. It is a good job this happened during the reign of such a strong, decisive left wing president...
Biden could also just pardon everyone else involved with carrying out the order.
Zardnaar
Deity
Wouldn't it violate state law?
And if it's an illegal order will the military follow it? What happens if they refuse then go public he made such an order?
Get him when he come to DC.
Biden is ancient. What is the worst he can do?
EgonSpengler
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Emily Bazelon helpfully provided a kind of "score card" for the recently-concluded SCOTUS term, a partial list of who won and lost each of the Court's decisions.
(Some of the) winners of Court decisions:
* Note that the U.S. Supreme Court chooses which cases to take (from among the cases that are brought to them). So it's very much within their power to choose cases they know they can justify a particular decision on. You know how many justices are required to take a case? Four. If you want to know why the 5-4 conservative majority wasn't bad enough, and why a 6-3 majority is devastating, this is why.
(Some of the) winners of Court decisions:
- Donald Trump
- Donald Trump
- January 6th defendants
- Deregulators
- Polluting states
- Securities fraudsters
- Koch-funded deregulators
- Companies suing [government] agencies
- Politicians who take bribes
- Cities without any services for homeless people
- Buyers & sellers of bumpstocks
- Starbucks
- The National Rifle Assoc.
- The Biden Administration
- The Biden Administration
- The EPA and 'downwind' states getting polluted
- The SEC
- The National Marine Fisheries Service
- The Federal Reserve Board
- Homeless people
- People who might like to be protected from [guns with] bumpstocks
- Workers at Starbucks
- The State of New York
- The Colorado Secretary of State
* Note that the U.S. Supreme Court chooses which cases to take (from among the cases that are brought to them). So it's very much within their power to choose cases they know they can justify a particular decision on. You know how many justices are required to take a case? Four. If you want to know why the 5-4 conservative majority wasn't bad enough, and why a 6-3 majority is devastating, this is why.
What state law? Why would states have laws on what does and doesn't count as an illegal military act?
EnglishEdward
Deity
The supreme court judges have really not thought this through.
What happens when the POTUS threatens to shoot one of them ?
What happens when the POTUS threatens to shoot one of them ?
You think they did not think of that?
Zardnaar
Deity
It would still be murder. So a pardon wouldn't apply possibly illegal order so debatable if military would follow such an order. Biden theoretically immune person doing it isn't.
He is the president of the United States, and you wonder if he could find a squaddie who will follow his orders? He could end the world with a word, the chance he could not knock some off if he wanted sounds implausible to me.
Zardnaar
Deity
American army does have an illegal order clause iirc.
What I'm saying is he could probably find someone but there's a good chance others wouldn't.
And then you've got the military picking sides.
Yeah, most armies do. It does not seem to stop them much, and an order from the president is a better reason than getting a good selfie.
Zardnaar
Deity
Military also swears loyalty to the constitution. Biden theoretically has immunity the person doing it does not.
So they have to kill someone on US soil without due process.
Oh that is alright then, 'cos that could never happen.
And what's more, the president is even immune from having his motives considered. He can literally say, "I'm doing this to settle scores," and that won't be admissible.
As Nixon said, "when the president does it, it's not illegal."
As Nixon said, "when the president does it, it's not illegal."
