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SCOTUS Special Ed Decision

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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/23/education/23special.html?hp

In a decision that could cost school districts millions of dollars, the United States Supreme Court ruled on Monday that parents of special-education students may seek government reimbursement for private school tuition, even if they have never received special-education services in public school.

The case before the court involved a struggling Oregon high school student, identified in court documents only as T.A., whose parents removed him from public school in the Forest Grove district part way though his junior year, and enrolled him in a $5,200-a-month residential school.

Although Forest Grove officials had noticed T.A.’s difficulties and evaluated him for learning disabilities, he was found ineligible for special-education services. Only after he enrolled in the private school was T.A. diagnosed with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder and other disabilities.

While most of the nation’s six million special-education students attend public school, as T.A. did for many years, thousands of families with disabled children, convinced that the public schools lack appropriate placements, avoid the public schools altogether. Instead, they enroll their children in expensive private schools for students with emotional or learning disabilities, and then seek reimbursement.

Nationally, about 90,000 special-education students are placed in private schools, most of them referred by their public schools.

The New York City schools, which filed a friend-of-court brief supporting Forest Grove, paid $89 million for private-school placements for disabled students in 2007-8, up from $53 million two years earlier.

The legal issue in the Forest Grove case was whether a 1997 amendment to the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (or IDEA) prohibited private-school tuition reimbursement for students who never received special-education services in public school.

The amendment says tuition may be available for students with disabilities “who previously received special-education” services in public school, if the public school did not make a free and appropriate public education (or FAPE) available in a timely manner.

The Forest Grove school district, backed by school-boards associations across the country, argued that the amendment precluded reimbursement for those, like T.A., who never received special-education services in public school.

But the high court, in a 6-to-3 ruling, rejected that argument.

“We conclude that IDEA authorizes reimbursement for the cost of private special education services when a school district fails to provide a FAPE and the private school placement is appropriate, regardless of whether the child previously received special education or related services through the public school,” Justice John Paul Stevens wrote in the majority opinion.

Justice Stevens said the school district’s interpretation would produce a result “bordering on the irrational.”

“It would be strange for the act to provide a remedy, as all agree it does, where a school district offers a child inadequate special-education services but to leave parents without relief in the more egregious situation in which the school district unreasonably denies a child access to such services altogether,” Justice Stevens wrote. He was joined in his opinion by Chief Justice John Roberts and Justices Anthony M. Kennedy, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Stephen Breyer and Samuel Alito.

In his dissent, Justice David Souter, joined by Justices Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas, said that the federal disabilities law was designed to promote cooperation between school districts and families in developing an individualized education plan for each disabled student.

The dissent also discussed the high costs of private-school placements.

“Special education can be immensely expensive, amounting to tens of billions of dollars annually and as much as 20 percent of public schools’ general operating budgets,” Justice Souter wrote. “Given the burden of private school placement, it makes good sense to require parents to try to devise a satisfactory alternative within the public schools.”

The Supreme Court considered the issue of tuition reimbursement in a New York case two years, but split 4-to-4, with Justice Kennedy not taking part for undisclosed reasons.

So will this give rise to a Private School "Your child has a learning disability" cottage industry where:

a. Parents can shop around until someone exchanges a diagnosis for the reimbursement. They can then let themselves off the hook for their kid's failure (which they may or may not have contributed to).
b. Unscrupulous Private Schools providing a diagnosis while not actually doing anything with the reimbursement money to help the child.

I don't really see an upside to this but there has to be some, right?
 
The hell you mean "exchanging a diagnosis"?

Public schools already do the latter.
 
The hell you mean "exchanging a diagnosis"?

Public schools already do the latter.

"Somebody tell me that my little billy is a shade ********."
"Send your kid here and we'll speak to that."

Can public schools do the latter cheaper? ;)
 
"Somebody tell me that my little billy is a shade ********."
"Send your kid here and we'll speak to that."

Can public schools do the latter cheaper? ;)

Diagnoses are done by the child's doctors.
 
Why do the "disabled" deserve state-sponsored private education but children who haven't yet had a diagnosis created to describe their particular inadequacy deserve their struggling parents to have to pay?

Can my folks retroactively get money for my private schooling? I had ADHD, major depression, bi-polar, ODD (yes it's a "real" disorder, look it up :crazyeye: ) & probably a few others thruout primary school.
 
Diagnoses are done by doctors?
The criteria for mental health diagnoses are flexible enough that if you're persistent you can get what you want (or something similar). Unlike physical diseases mental diseases in the DSM can be very vague & don't have to have a physical reality. You can choose to disbelieve if you like but I've known plenty of people who've gotten all sorts of compensation who are more mentally healthy than your average guy on the street. I knew this Aussie guy who told his doctor he only likes to eat raw food, that's he's "afraid of toxins", they slapped him with some disorder or other & now he's own the dole over there, he didn't even have to lie.
 
The criteria for mental health diagnoses are flexible enough that if you're persistent you can get what you want (or something similar). You can choose to disbelieve if you like but I've known plenty of people who've gotten all sorts of compensation who are more mentally healthy than your average guy on the street.

It's similar to shopping for a second opinion until you get Vicodin for back pain.
 
Why do the "disabled" deserve state-sponsored private education but children who haven't yet had a diagnosis created to describe their particular inadequacy deserve their struggling parents to have to pay?

They still have to pay the normal fees of private school. Reimbursement of special education is nothing new. The only thing new here is that reimbursement can be done for a diagnosis that did not exist while the child was in the public school.

Narz said:
Can my folks retroactively get money for my private schooling? I had ADHD, major depression, bi-polar, ODD (yes it's a "real" disorder, look it up ) & probably a few others thruout primary school.
No, because your parents are crappy disability advocates, and you hate schooling anyway.

Narz said:
The criteria for mental health diagnoses are flexible enough that if you're persistent you can get what you want (or something similar).
Blah blah blah I don't know anything about psychology blah blah blah
 
I'd also like to look at the fiscal impact this will have on school districts and the incentives of school districts in the future.

Isn't this just a step forward towards vouchers in general?
 
They still have to pay the normal fees of private school.
So the difference is the private schools have to pay the extra fees to special education teachers out of pocket?

Blah blah blah I don't know anything about psychology blah blah blah
If you have questions feel free to ask, I've spent thousands of hours talking to psychiatrists & read quite a bit on psychology. :) As for people fishing for a diagnosis (and being accommodated in doing so), what I'm talking about is the reality of the matter, just because you don't want to hear it doesn't mean you should cover your eyes and say la-la-la (well you could, because, at the end of the day, your influence on large scale issues like this is near zero but just for the sake of intellectual honesty as opposed to believing just what you want to believe). It's a serious issue.
 
If you have questions feel free to ask, I've spent thousands of hours talking to psychiatrists & read quite a bit on psychology. :) As for people fishing for a diagnosis (and being accommodated in doing so), what I'm talking about is the reality of the matter, just because you don't want to hear it doesn't mean you should cover your eyes and say la-la-la. It's a serious issue.

I think your ODD is acting up. ;)
 
Proves that the SCOTUS can be humane in a near-sighted kind of way. I think it'd be preferable if they insisted that the public school system have special needs classes and attempt to school everyone to passing level, rather than stimulate a cottage industry as you say. In a way they're sidestepping the deeper issue and implying that private schooling is a right, when we know it's a privilege.

How are they saying that it's a right? Again, it's not talking about vouchers for the school, and it's not talking about the actual school tuition. it's talking about reimbursement for special education programs that would otherwise not not be created in the first place. Private schools don't want special needs kids. Reimbursement already happens, this is just allows reimbursement once a diagnosis is created.

So what about the combination of eugenics and special ed schooling?
Like say I choose to have a special needs kids in order to get the school district to pay for the private tuition? Is that a right then?
You'd still have to pay the normal tuition.
 
Although this decision is nice and progressive, it might have been made at a bad time. Schools just don't have money to fill need every need of every disabled child. A teacher in special education teaching a variety of specially disabled kids isn't always enough. In addition, it'll just invite law suits to determine case by case whether there's adequate performance by the school or not. I do support the education of disabled children, I do. But this is really really bone-headed. Regular teachers are being fired in most states, where do you think they'll get the money? You can't get blood from chalk dust. It'll have to be newly printed money instead.
 
How are they saying that it's a right? Again, it's not talking about vouchers for the school, and it's not talking about the actual school tuition. it's talking about reimbursement for special education programs that would otherwise not not be created in the first place. Private schools don't want special needs kids. Reimbursement already happens, this is just allows reimbursement once a diagnosis is created.


You'd still have to pay the normal tuition.

They're implying it's a right by making the monies come from the government, when it should be simply that the government should be required to provide the need directly through the public system. Why did they not insist the public system provide the need, instead of jumping straight to the private system? Public systems do provide special education services. And it's wrong to presume that they can't be improved to provide it. (And for your info there already are private schools that do the special needs education thing. I know of at least one example in my region).

By jumping straight to the private system when the parents were unhappy, I'd say they consented that the public system didn't make them happy---which is a privilege, but not a right. I think the proper procedure would have been for the parents to charge the public system with making a misdiagnosis and not providing accesibility to the student. I do agree with the SCOTUS's FAPE arguement---that public school can't sit on the issue---they do have to give a student a fair education on time, to claim to be doing their job. But I still disagree that the parents were right to skip a medical diagnosis before going the private school route; They might have been right to get the diagnosis from a professional at a private school, but not to except recoupment by going straight to the school on their unhappiness with perceived needs. Because the thing is, the implication was the services existed at the public school, but the public school didn't think the student needed them.

The voucher/private school implication is simply in that SCOTUS is indirectly implying that it's a right to skipover the public school option and collect full tuition. And they are talking about actual tuition, not only special services reimbursement (read it all). The parents might be paying the private tuition, but the government is fully reimbursing them for it.

I can agree that tying this to a school budget is a bit political/unnecessarily emotional. The government can simply expand education, unless facing spending cuts from a budgeting shortfall.
 
I don't really see an upside to this but there has to be some, right?
You mean besides for private schools and unscrupulous psychologists looking for more work?
 
My initial feeling is that this going to have a negative policy impact on public education, but thats really only my sniff test. I need to research it more.
 
If a small portion of the special education in many schools was dedicated to gift and talented, taxpayers would be much more rewarded. I believe that special education is a morass of a system that, while providing benefits to those who truly need it, wastes so much money in detriment that could be used towards other students. The existence of six million students needing special care is absurd, this stinks of corruption and serves to lead to more employment of only counselors. Now that our already struggling public schools will have to pay increased fees for a minority of students, the majority will suffer.
 
Narz seems 100% right, whether some posters/attempted trollers in this thread will like it or not. I completely understand that many people face legitimate disabilities, learning or otherwise, and do not at all oppose providing these children with equal opportunities. However, I also know and know of tons of people who come up with bogus "psychological" problems for the sole purpose of gaining extra benefits in something. The government being forced to pay $1000's to send children to private schools seems to be more ridiculously abusable than anything else. And I agree that it also implicitly suggests the "right" for people to not send their children to public schools, yet be given money just because. And this completely disregards the issues of irresponsible private school organizations, and the "cult of disorders" that is at new heights for parents these days - put simply, every kid being diagnosed with everything, to great detriment of many.

With court decisions it's hard to say where the precedents will lead, and I'd welcome more details in this case, but it's not looking bright. Not at all.

I think it'd be preferable if they insisted that the public school system have special needs classes and attempt to school everyone to passing level, rather than stimulate a cottage industry as you say.
Um, well, public schools are ALREADY required to do this, in theory at least. And this case does not seem to be about this issue - supporting special education, at least what we've read here. To be clear I'm ok with "non-public" schools for educating special ed kids - eg. the government funding schools for the blind. But that's not what this is - it's about "giving parents who don't like/disagree with the public school system money to do what they like."
 
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