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Seaport vs Train Station

Discussion in 'General Balance' started by infidel88, Dec 28, 2017.

  1. infidel88

    infidel88 Chieftain

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    There needs to be some adjustment in favor of Train Station. They are mutually exclusive, but with addition of 250HP to Seaport, it's a no-brainer which one to choose.

    Seaport: -6:c5gold:; +25%:c5production:; +1:c5production::c5gold: from ocean/coast, +2:c5production::c5gold: from sea resources; +10% supply cap; 1:c5greatperson:GE slot; +250 HP;
    Train Station: -5:c5gold:; +25%:c5production:; +10% :c5gold:; 2:c5greatperson:GE slots;

    I would give TS +10%:c5food: growth or some other representation how it made people move from villages to cities. And some increase in supply cap as well, after all it somehow made conscription easier.
     
  2. ElliotS

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    I don't know. I think seaports being better is fine, because then you need a navy to defend your city.
     
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  3. Moi Magnus

    Moi Magnus Warlord

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    Could the train station give +1 prod/gold to railroad tiles ?
    (an possibly +2 prod/gold to railroad on ressources, if you want even more symmetry between railroads and seaports, but it is probably a bad idea since the AI will have problems to correctly build railroads).

    But I don't think they need a big bonus. As said by ElliotS, the bonus to supply is here to make sure that maritiem civs have higher supply cap, since they need more units.
     
  4. Enginseer

    Enginseer Salientia of the Community Patch Supporter

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    It would be interesting to see it give a +1 Supply Cap Buff versus the Train Station's 10% Supply from Population.
     
  5. tu_79

    tu_79 Warlord

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    Please, no. That was what Civ IV did and the map got clumped of roads. If you want something like that, it could be increasing the road bonus for towns and villages.
     
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  6. Workerspam

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    I think it's fine as is. The 10% gold from the train station makes it my preferred build most times unless a city is working 3 or more sea resources or is an island city. But if I need the extra supply/HP/purchasing of end game ships it's nice to know I have the option available with the seaport.
     
  7. Stalker0

    Stalker0 Baller Magnus

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    Seaports for coastal, train stations for inland.

    It works fine to me
     
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  8. MorphBer

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    Same here, I built Sea Port in all the costal cities and Trains Station in the inland cities (ofc - its the only Option). Buffing Trainstation is unnecessary to me cause it would buff inland cities which is not needed.
     
  9. CrazyG

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    I do think the train station should be better if you have a situation where the city is technically coastal, but actually working very few coast tiles, or on an inland sea, or things like that.

    With that said, +10% gold is a pretty good benefit. The extra engineer isn't that relevant because there are so many specialists available by this point
     
  10. Gokudo01

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    same here
     
  11. DarkZero

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    Seaports need to be better than trains stations because coastal cities are more exposed, the seaport was buffed to those things a few versions ago exactly because no one was building it, a buff to train stations is never going to happen, its almost way to good already.
     
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  12. pineappledan

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  13. ElliotS

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    I don't think it needs that. At this point that just seems like yield creep.
     
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  14. MorphBer

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    The yield increase on the seaport is needed cause coast/ocean tiles are really bad at this point and then there are at least somewhat wotkable (by expansions)
     
  15. jeanoiseau

    jeanoiseau Chieftain

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    For some reason I have both train station and railway station as option to build in all my citieis….I know the railway station mod comes from the "Additional Modern Buildings" mod but I want to keep that mod and shut off the one with the train station.....can't for the life of me find it. How do I shut off the train station?
     
  16. Moi Magnus

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    In "(2) Community Balance Patch\Balance Changes\Buildings\NewBuildings.xml" delete anything about TRAINSTATION. Line 117 to 121 and 936 to 956.
    Though from a balance point of view, it might be better to keep both. (Unless railway station is also a building consumming coal)
     

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