Second Revolution: South America

[GarretSidzaka]

Okay, you guessed it. I want to do a mod using the current engine for South America.

Here's a sneak peak at rough draft of the map (all i could get done tonight)


I have decided to have 8 Civs. It will be Four "Rebel" and Four "Government" Civs.

I know it sounds lame to be so reductionist, but i want all of the civs to be playable

So what I need now is to get Civ's and Leaders First. Any suggestions?

 

[GarretSidzaka]

reserved for future use

 

[GarretSidzaka]

reserved for future use too

 

[ArneHD]

That's a lot of mountain, any civ there will have a difficult time.

 

[GarretSidzaka]

yeah, that map is unplayable as it is, this is just the first result from the BMP-->WBS converter!!

 

[Bianezzi]

Way to go! It will be difficult with such few civs, but let's go...


GOVERNMENTS:
*Brazil - President Lula
(except Amazonia and the South) Capital Brasilia
*Argentina - President Kirchner
(except the province of Corrientes, which is Gaucho) Capital Buenos Aires
*Chile - President Bachelet
(except the north - Antofagasta and Arida - which are Bolivian) Capital Santiago
*Plan Colombia - President Uribe
(including Lima-Peru, Ecuador and Colombia except the east, which is Amazonian) Capital Bogota

REBELS:
*Amazonian Revolutionary Front - Commander Marulanda
an extended FARC, going deep into the jungle until Brazil, great part of Peru, eastern part of Colombia and southern Venezuela. Capital Leticia
*Bolivarian League - Colonel Chavez
the whole of Venezuela, Guyane and Suriname (but not French Guyane!) Capital Caracas.
*Republic of Pampas - President Irton
the Greater Gaucho plains, including the southern states of Brazil, the argentine province of Corrientes, Uruguay and southern Paraguay. This one should be right-wing and not allied to the others... Capital Caxias.
*Native Bolivia - President Morales
all of Bolivia, south of Peru, north of Chile and north of Paraguay. Capital Sucre.

You should really consider having a foreign civ in the game, such as USA. It would control Panama, French Guyane and the Falklands, be kinda neutral (not at war) and have a great deal of military force.


I will post ideologies later...

 

[Bianezzi]

OK then, roughly:

=SOCIAL-DEMOCRACY
Argentina and Chile

=LIBERAL POPULISM
Brazil

=BOLIVARIANISM
Bolivarian League

=LIBERAL
Pampas

=NEO-LIBERAL
Plan Colombia

=INDIANISM
Bolivia

=SOCIALISM
Amazonian Front


If 7 is ok. If you can only put 6, just merge Populism with Social Democracy. If you can put 8, then Chile would go with:

=SOCIAL LIBERAL

 

[Bianezzi]

I will post why I chose those civs/ideologies tomorrow.

 

[GarretSidzaka]

this is great. i am excited about this one!! I will probably use all of the units and techs as second rev 2.0, except new UU's.

Thats also important, one UU per civ.

 

[Bianezzi]

Short history:
(I'm a non-native English speaker so there may be some translation issues)

Things weren't looking good for Colombia's President Uribe after Washington cut the military support for the South American nation to fight its escalating war against leftist guerillas in the eastern part of the country. The so called FARC (Fuerzas Armadas Revolucionarias de Colombia) took the chance with the US busy fighting the Rebels in their own land, and started a quick expansion program in the region. Popularity rose among Amazonian peasants specially in Brazil, as Comandante Marulanda droped the 'Colombian' and started to seek a greater role for his guerrila, founding the Frente Amazonica (Amazonian Front). The Front organized a mass rally in the Brazilian amazonian capital of Manaus, and the alarmed elites and military officers pressed Brazilian President Lula for a reaction. Unable to hold the military for any longer, Lula ordered the troops to disperse the protest with non-lethal weapons. The situation quickly got out of hand though, and the rally became an urban war with severe casualties for the both sides. The Amazonian Front withdrew from Manaus; civilian deaths were in the thousands.

Shocked by this massacre, the Brazilian society went to the streets to ask for an explanation for the government, and the whole country went to nearly civil war. Again capitalizing on the enemy's weakness and secretly helped by Venezuelan President Chavez and President Morales from Bolivia, the Front prepared a full-scale invasion of the Amazonian jungles and cities and declared independence of the Amazonian region, claiming a new country was to be founded as soon as the war was over. Fearful of the Front's expansion, President Uribe called the neighboring nations to form a tight alliance against what they called leftist terrorism; what happened next was a de facto annexation of Ecuador and western Peru, including the capital Lima. A state of excession was declared and all the American military equipment in the area was taken 'to further accomplish the objectives of Plan Colombia'. Relations with Venezuela deeply worsened.

Sensing a greater movement was to be taken by Uribe's new formidable army, Chavez and Morales sealed a closed alliance against any attack from Colombia. Suriname and Guyana joined later, only to be fully annexed by Venezuela. Morales' indianist program was also popular with native villagers from southern Peru and northern Paraguay and soon gained actual control of these areas. He then turned to an old demand: the passage to the Pacific Ocean, long taken by Chile in the War of the Pacific. The Bolivian army, with the new help from Peruvian native warriors and Venezuelan soldiers, conquered the Chilean city of Antofagasta and opened their dreamed passage to the sea. A bloody war was on its way.

In the South, the weakness and corruption of the Brazilian government awakened separatist movements throughout the land. Though almost all states had a rebellion of any type, the peculiar culture of the Brazilian pampas lent help to the strongest. Following a federalist election in Uruguay the Movement for the Independence of the Pampas used the massacre of Manaus to denounce the government's dictatorship tendencies. In a traditional liberal region, the Southern middle class organized peaceful protests in various cities and were able to convince the population of the legitimacy of their pleas. With political support from the Uruguayan senate and the Corrientes land owners, a young professor named Irtan Marx declared the independence and immediately went to war against Argentina, Paraguay and Brazil. Paraguay soon capitulated and the Republic of Pampas gained strength with the land owners militia controlling the roads and cities. The country was officially on revolution, together with the whole continent.

 

[GarretSidzaka]

That is cool, and i think it will be the text shown when the game starts (we will have to edit grammar and spelling, but not much)

now that we have the leagues, we need national borders. Can you perhaps come up with a map showing only south america's political boundaries shown, and then draw the rebel holdings over it, so i can make the map for the mod.

 

[Bianezzi]

Sure thing:



Yellow = Amazonian Front
Orange = Greater Bolivia
Soft red = Chile
Pink = Argentina (sorry hermanos! )
Dark blue = Pampas
Dark red = Plan Colombia Alliance
Soft blue = Bolivarian League

Black stars are capitals (kinda) as stated. City of Manaus should be surrounded by Front troops . Infra-structure in the Amazon is VERY bad (road to Manaus is full of 'holes'). The Amazon River should definately be sailable. Panama Channel is also available.

DIPLOMATIC STATUS
Brazil allied with Argentina in WAR against the Republic of Pampas.
Chile in WAR against Bolivia.
Amazonian Front in WAR against Colombia and Brazil (locked war!).
Venezuela very friendly towards the Amazonian Front and Bolivia and angry with Brazil and Chile.
Everybody angry with Colombia (hey, they annexed Ecuador and Peru!).
Everybody neutral with Pampas (except Brazil and Argentina, which are very pi$$ed off).
Brazil furious with Bolivia.

 

[GarretSidzaka]

this is great. i can see this mod coming together already. the last thing i would need is a city map of s. america that shows major regional cities and their names. this way i can build the empires

 

[Bianezzi]

I know it's kinda boring, but the best thing would be to google-search maps for Brazil and Colombia and other countries and just use major cities.


Also, for UU's:

BRAZIL
-Cascavel
Light recon tank, kinda like the Bradley (but GREEN!)
Starts with Drill
http://www.enemyforces.com/apc/cascavel.htm

AMAZONIAN FRONT
-Guerrila
Starts with Woodsman 3x

PLAN COLOMBIA
-Huey helicopter
+10% Strength
+20% against Infantry

VENEZUELA
-Paratrooper
Chavez came from these regiments, and increased their power once president.
Starts with Guerrila x1
+50 defending city
(should be able to para-troop, but I don't think that's possible in Civ4 )

GREATER BOLIVIA
-Quechua Scout
Should have lots of movement bonus
+20% strength

ARGENTINA
-Intelligence Unit
Argentina has a tradition of efficient intelligence services. This could be an infantry unit with visibility bonus, or something like that...

PAMPAS
-Gaucho
This is standard cavalry, but with great bonus against infantries and a city attack bonus.

CHILE
-Mountain Infantry
Starts with Guerrila x3

 

[ArneHD]

Perhaps we can have a british faction based of the falklands islands? If not for offencive reasons, at least for defencive ones. Perhaps barbarian.

Edit: We could also give it a "resupply" wonder, that give it oil, aluminium, coal, etc. All it needs to be a fully functional nation. Although we could also attach these to the British capital if you make it a faction.

 

[GarretSidzaka]

BRAZIL
-Cascavel
Light recon tank, kinda like the Bradley (but GREEN!)
Starts with Drill
http://www.enemyforces.com/apc/cascavel.htm

AMAZONIAN FRONT
-Guerrila
Starts with Woodsman 3x

I like these i even have one of those units already made!

PLAN COLOMBIA
-Huey helicopter
+10% Strength
+20% against Infantry

we will need a model for this one. we must check the forums to see if anyone has already done this, and see what artists might be willing to make it for us.

VENEZUELA
-Paratrooper
Chavez came from these regiments, and increased their power once president.
Starts with Guerrila x1
+50 defending city
(should be able to para-troop, but I don't think that's possible in Civ4 )

I dont really like this one. Especially since they dont even have the rudiments of code for this for civ4 warlords. Some people are working on getting this to work, but remember just cause you make it work, doenst mean that the AI will ever do it.
Can we think of something more related to the image of Bolivarian rebels.

GREATER BOLIVIA
-Quechua Scout
Should have lots of movement bonus
+20% strength

Is this related to the civ4 unit for Huayna in the Incan civilization? Or is this a modern unit with gunpowder?

ARGENTINA
-Intelligence Unit
Argentina has a tradition of efficient intelligence services. This could be an infantry unit with visibility bonus, or something like that...

what kind of graphic would best represent this?

PAMPAS
-Gaucho
This is standard cavalry, but with great bonus against infantries and a city attack bonus.

CHILE
-Mountain Infantry
Starts with Guerrila x3

I like these too, and i think some graphics will be avalible.

Any more ideas on these units?

 

[GarretSidzaka]

Perhaps we can have a british faction based of the falklands islands? If not for offencive reasons, at least for defencive ones. Perhaps barbarian.

Edit: We could also give it a "resupply" wonder, that give it oil, aluminium, coal, etc. All it needs to be a fully functional nation. Although we could also attach these to the British capital if you make it a faction.

I was thinking about giving the falklands to argentina. I think that is the country that has de facto control, in lieu of british colonialism.

 

[Bianezzi]

I support the presence of a Northern civ in this mod, preferably an 'European Union' civ. It would be based on Cayenne, French Guyana, and have a nice army and navy throughout the map. The Malvinas could be in their hands too, but relations with Argentina will be "furious".

 

[Bianezzi]

we will need a model for this one. we must check the forums to see if anyone has already done this, and see what artists might be willing to make it for us.

I thought you already had something like this. If it causes trouble, just replace it with the Apache. The idea is to having north-american equipment fighting for Colombia.

I dont really like this one. Especially since they dont even have the rudiments of code for this for civ4 warlords. Some people are working on getting this to work, but remember just cause you make it work, doenst mean that the AI will ever do it.
Can we think of something more related to the image of Bolivarian rebels.

Ok, we can use Chavez' Revolutionary Guard assembled by him last year. The stats would be the same; they should be cheap, weaker than regular infantry and have great defensive abilities.

Is this related to the civ4 unit for Huayna in the Incan civilization? Or is this a modern unit with gunpowder?

I was thinking about that. Can we make a quechua scout... with an AK-74?

what kind of graphic would best represent this?

More like mafia, men in suits armed with pistols. These agents aren't really military units, they're more like political police. If there's no anim for that, you can throw the American SEALS anim anyway.

I like these too, and i think some graphics will be avalible.

I was thinking about the standard Cavalry, period. But if you find anything more interesting, it would be fine. Think about big landlords and shotguns... something like that.

Any more ideas on these units?

I have some ideas for general units, mostly name changes to reflect the region military, and they're available to everyone:
-AMX (fighter, use the anim for the F-16)
-TUCANO ("obsolete fighter", use their anims, but make it tougher... the Tucano is probably the best prop fighter ever!)
-JUNGLE INFANTRY (available to all, starts with Woodsmen 1x)
-CONDOR (cruise missile, use its anim)
-PUMA (use any type of medium tank)
-MIRAGE (use the Mig or jet fighter anim; every single south american country has these)

 

[Bianezzi]

More comments on the military:

=BRAZIL
Kinda weak military. Lots of regular infantry and nice airforce (probably the best in the region), but few thanks and specialized units. Navy is also poor, some 7 destroyers, 2 battleships, 4 subs and 2 aircraft carriers. Military is very concentrated in the south, so the Pampas should have a bad time with Brazil, while the Front has the upper hand on the Amazon...

=ARGENTINA
Few infantry too, lots of Intelligence officers. Good naval force compared to Brazil, give them some 12 destroyers and 6 subs. Also a good set of Marines, perhaps a transport full of them. They also lead the region with their Condor missile program. Most of their military is in the Buenos Aires region.

=VENEZUELA
Lots of infantry! Venezuela's military expanded greatly with Chaves, so don't be shy with infantry, some tanks and several helicopters. Airforce is the weak point there. If you're feeling evil, you can give them a secret nuke...

=BOLIVIA
Much like Venezuela, but weaker. No Navy and very poor airforce, but good infantry. Focus these units in the "North Chilean" invaded region, so that the capital is rather vulnerable to a Brazilian/Argentine attack. Bolivia has lots of oil, just like Venezuela.

=AMAZONIAN FRONT
Lots and lots of infantry, maybe some jeeps and light tanks. If you're following my suggestion by making the Amazon river navigable at least until Manaus, give them a destroyer sieging the city.

=PLAN COLOMBIA
The greatest armoured force in the region, though poor in infantry. Some helis and jet fighters too, and good Navy.

=PAMPAS
Lots and lots of Gaucho cavalry. Southern people have a great sense of territory and will take arms to defend their homes; while most of them have a strong connection with the cattle raising plains. Some tanks and tucanos (there was a huge brazilian base on Canoas, which was captured) but no navy at all.