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Discussion in 'The Knights’ Brotherhood' started by Memento, Dec 1, 2010.

  1. Memento

    Memento The World is mine

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    I asked Worf about the irrigated Wheat and the detriment for Industriell Civs.
    He tell me
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    That can only mean that all teams are Industriell.
    Did i wrong?
     
  2. I. Larkin

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    may be others have more irrigated stuff. Or he did sophisticated calculations to balance vine.
     
  3. Lanzelot

    Lanzelot Moderator Moderator

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    Why should there be any detriment?? The scientific civs get their free tech and half-priced libraries/universities, commercial gets extra commerce, etc, etc. And we get our faster worker. I don't see any reason why industrial civs should get any detriments. Every team was free to choose an industrial civ, if the wanted to.
     
  4. Memento

    Memento The World is mine

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    No. This is not possible. 1 Round is 1 Round. There is no way to put the disadvantages for industriell civs away.
    The only possible is that all teams are industriell.
    Lately after 3 rounds we know more.
     
  5. I. Larkin

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    We "assumed" that no pre -irrigate land will be. But did not discussed in Co4. Also I rised question about how to "seed" teams. No discussion and rules either. Probably Worf thought about "balance". That means that no big disadvantages hopefully.
     
  6. Memento

    Memento The World is mine

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    F11 tell us something about "Die Küche", they have 5 commerz too.
    They are 2 opportunities:
    1.They are not seafaring and use a Bonusress at a river.
    2.They are seafearing too and usea other field at a River.Then they are not industriell.

    The 2. Point would a disadvantage for us.

    I´m really for a New beginning without irrigated Wheat.
     
  7. Lanzelot

    Lanzelot Moderator Moderator

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    I like the start. What is one turn... Perhaps we have other advantages. And I think friepa is experienced enough to make "balanced but not equal" starts.

    Cheers, Lanzelot
     
  8. I. Larkin

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    Agree with Lanzelot. As we have agreed: start must be balanced but not equal. So F11 analysis a bit difficult. But OK.
     
  9. Memento

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    Die Küche: Produktivity 9 N+3 + S 2 = C 4
    Knights: Produktivity 10 N+3 + S 2 = C 5 with Wheat or
    Produktivity 10 N+2 + S 2 = C 6 with sugar
     
  10. templar_x

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    This seems to make sense to me only if you subtitute the = with a +.

    templar_x
     
  11. I. Larkin

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    Sorry Memento, what these equations mean?
     
  12. Memento

    Memento The World is mine

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    Sry, miss 1 Line
    Produktivity is the summary of food+,shields and commerce
    Die Küche have a produktivity of 9:f+3, 2 shields=4 commerce.
    Food and Shields:They must have a wheat with bg or a cattle
    Commerce:2 Ways possible
    1.Not seafaring, settled at River 3 C + Bonusress at River 1 C
    2.Seafaring,settled at River 4 C + Bonusress not at River 0 C
     
  13. I. Larkin

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    Most probably they are not seafaring. But still equation construction some kind of "non standard".
    May be Lanzelot will explain?
     
  14. Lanzelot

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    Update:

    Die Küche: Produktivity 9=f+3 + S 2 + C 4
    Anarchos: Produktivity 8=f+3 +S 2 + C 3

    Anarchos are not seafaring, settled at River 3 C + Bonusress not at River 0 C
     
  16. Lanzelot

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    Doesn't a capital on the river give 4 C?! :confused:
    Perhaps their capital is on a lake?
     
  17. Memento

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    At River give 3 C, Seafaring at River 4 C.
     
  18. Lanzelot

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    You are right, but I don't understand why?! Seafaring not on river gives 4C, so I assumed that non-seafaring on river would be the same?! :confused:
    Never really paid attention to these things, so does that mean, the river-bonus is subject to the Despo-penalty, while the seafaring bonus is not?!?
     
  19. Memento

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    Seafaring not on River gives only 3C,too.


    Update:
    Eagels not use a Bonusress or an other Team change his MM (very unlikely).
    2 Teams with Produktivity of 9, 1 with 8.

    Die Küche: Produktivity 9=f+3 + S 2 + C 4
    Anarchos: Produktivity 8=f+3 +S 2 + C 3
    Eagles: Produktivity 9=f+2 +S 2 + C 5 very likely Seafaring
     
  20. Lanzelot

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    No, I extra tested this:



    Seafaring not on river gives 4?? (Not that I knew why... but it does!)

    Lanzelot
     

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