So you guys are going for the OBC 20k?
SGFN-09: Constantinople stands alone!
- Thread starter TheOverseer714
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So you guys are going for the OBC 20k?
Sparthage
Fighting Tyranny
Ok, well I'm a newbie to the 20k Cultural victory. At least as it being what I aim for.
Not necessarily -- SoZ, conquer a city, and build a settler from there... but I like your way better.
(We can discuss cranking out a settler at size 10+ I guess. I wouldn't until then.)
TheOverseer714
Overseer
No to building settlers, but capturing towns is kosher.
Once we get to size 12, if we are wasting food, we can probably pop a worker between wonders, so we still grow in 1 turn, and store up some food. That would also allow for fast growth once we get Shakespeare's theater.
In theory yes, but there are two fairly major hindrances to this:
1. Early on, the problem is unit support. With two workers, two warriors, and one curragh, we're already paying it. And with relatively few prospects for other cities soon, that isn't going to change. (It'll actually get worse in Republic, sadly.)
2. Spending a turn on a worker now for a pop point much later pretty much has to work out badly in terms of generating total culture. We'd basically be delaying every wonder and item we build for the rest of the game by one turn.
edit to add: All of which means, we'll be wasting food for a while. Once we get Engineering, we will eventually have no surplus food for a while (and then we will again after Shakespeares when we chop the forests down)
If you guys don't shut off research with the Great Library, a diplomatic victory is probably faster than a 20k victory. A spaceship launch might also be faster, though that's nowhere near as probable, and there's more to do.
Sparthage
Fighting Tyranny
Turnset:
City:
Constantinople (Size 5, Grows in 2): Colossus (17 Turns)
Military:
02 Warriors (0/1/1/0)
01 Curragh (1/0/0)
02 Workers
WEAK to Ottomans (Fear their Spears)
WEAK to Greeks (Fear their Hoplites)
AVERAGE to Zulu (Fear their Archers)
AVERAGE to Spanish (Don't Fear their Warriors)
Foreign Reports:
Ottoman Empire (2 Cities, Cautious):
Have- Incense (0 Extra), 0 Gold
Missing- Nothing besides Gold
Zululand (2 Cities, Polite):
Have- The Wheel, Ivory (0 Extra), 0 Gold
Missing- Mysticism and Gold
Greece (3 Cities, Polite):
Have- 10 Gold
Missing- Pottery, Ceremonial Burial, Mysticism
Spain (1 City, Cautious):
Have- Nothing
Missing- Masonry, Mysticism, and Gold
Spoiler :
City:
Constantinople (Size 5, Grows in 2): Colossus (17 Turns)
Military:
02 Warriors (0/1/1/0)
01 Curragh (1/0/0)
02 Workers
WEAK to Ottomans (Fear their Spears)
WEAK to Greeks (Fear their Hoplites)
AVERAGE to Zulu (Fear their Archers)
AVERAGE to Spanish (Don't Fear their Warriors)
Foreign Reports:
Ottoman Empire (2 Cities, Cautious):
Have- Incense (0 Extra), 0 Gold
Missing- Nothing besides Gold
Zululand (2 Cities, Polite):
Have- The Wheel, Ivory (0 Extra), 0 Gold
Missing- Mysticism and Gold
Greece (3 Cities, Polite):
Have- 10 Gold
Missing- Pottery, Ceremonial Burial, Mysticism
Spain (1 City, Cautious):
Have- Nothing
Missing- Masonry, Mysticism, and Gold
Elephantium
Malcolm was a very good cat.
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2: Sparthage => Just Played
3: Elephantium => Up, Got It.
4: Bowsling => On Deck
5: DWetzel => In the Hole
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7: Aukrest
I shall play tonight.
Elephantium
Malcolm was a very good cat.
I had some extra time this morning, so I started playing early. Here's what happened:
Pre-turn:
Look around a bit. I have only one quibble: The Workers got moved north of the river onto the isolated BG. I would have moved them through Constantinople to the unimproved BG on the cow side of the river -- they'd be able to move directly onto the next BG from there. From here, I'm going to have to road a non-bonus grassland tile in order to get to the other BGs.
It's not a huge deal, but it's something that could have been slightly more efficient
IBT - nada
Turn 1 (2510 BC):
Rename Curragh to the IS Malcolm (IS stands for Imperial Ship)
IS Malcolm meets the Russians. Catherine has the Wheel, 31 gold, and 3 cities.
She'll give us the Wheel and all her gold in exchange for Alpha. I take the deal.
There's a horse near the Ivory to our south.
IBT - Catherine reprimands us for the Malcolm's presence in her territorial waters. We make a sincere apology and promise to leave.
Turn 2 (2470 BC):
Constantinople grew during the IBT, so I MM to avoid riots. Lux to 20% and move a citizen from a forest to a BG.
The Colossus is now due in 13 turns.
The Ottomans now have Iron Working, but they're not willing to make a deal.
IBT - nada
Turn 3 (2430 BC):
Workers start mining.
IS Malcolm sees green borders. I think we'll meet the Aztecs next turn.
IBT - nada
Turn 4 (2390 BC):
Indeed, we meet the Aztecs. Montezuma has two cities, 14 gold, and both Horses and Furs. We're up Masonry and the Alphabet.
IBT - A Greek Warrior comes within sight of Constantinople. I think he's just exploring.
Turn 5 (2350 BC): Nada.
IBT - Workers finish mining.
Turn 6 (2310 BC):
Constantinople is now size 7, so I MM it again -- move a citizen from a forest to a BG.
I don't need to adjust the lux slider, but we'll probably need to do that in 8 turns when it grows again.
IBT - nada
Turn 7 (2270 BC):
Our exploring Warrior pops a Settler from a hut. I'm going to pause here for discussion.
Pre-turn:
Look around a bit. I have only one quibble: The Workers got moved north of the river onto the isolated BG. I would have moved them through Constantinople to the unimproved BG on the cow side of the river -- they'd be able to move directly onto the next BG from there. From here, I'm going to have to road a non-bonus grassland tile in order to get to the other BGs.
It's not a huge deal, but it's something that could have been slightly more efficient
IBT - nada
Turn 1 (2510 BC):
Rename Curragh to the IS Malcolm (IS stands for Imperial Ship)
IS Malcolm meets the Russians. Catherine has the Wheel, 31 gold, and 3 cities.
She'll give us the Wheel and all her gold in exchange for Alpha. I take the deal.
There's a horse near the Ivory to our south.
IBT - Catherine reprimands us for the Malcolm's presence in her territorial waters. We make a sincere apology and promise to leave.
Turn 2 (2470 BC):
Constantinople grew during the IBT, so I MM to avoid riots. Lux to 20% and move a citizen from a forest to a BG.
The Colossus is now due in 13 turns.
The Ottomans now have Iron Working, but they're not willing to make a deal.
IBT - nada
Turn 3 (2430 BC):
Workers start mining.
IS Malcolm sees green borders. I think we'll meet the Aztecs next turn.
IBT - nada
Turn 4 (2390 BC):
Indeed, we meet the Aztecs. Montezuma has two cities, 14 gold, and both Horses and Furs. We're up Masonry and the Alphabet.
IBT - A Greek Warrior comes within sight of Constantinople. I think he's just exploring.
Turn 5 (2350 BC): Nada.
IBT - Workers finish mining.
Turn 6 (2310 BC):
Constantinople is now size 7, so I MM it again -- move a citizen from a forest to a BG.
I don't need to adjust the lux slider, but we'll probably need to do that in 8 turns when it grows again.
IBT - nada
Turn 7 (2270 BC):
Our exploring Warrior pops a Settler from a hut. I'm going to pause here for discussion.
I had thought we were going with 0BC?
If so, move him home and merge into capital (and you can be a lot less worried about food, so if working a forest gets Colossus a turn sooner, go for it, it's worth it). It may actually be that we realize he won't get there until we're size 11 or so, in which case it's best to just disband him -- not worth the unit support. It may be best to disband regardless -- do the math and see. I'd say if he can get home when we're still size 10, it's probably marginally worth sending him home.
If we are allowed to build a city, I'd move him to the ivory and settle there. I can't tell very well from the screen shot, but is there a deer over there? If it is, I'd settle adjacent to deer and all three ivory (on the inside of the river bend).
General comment: don't worry about trading for things like Iron Working or Horseback Riding at all, except as incidental to getting cash or workers. We'll pick that up from the Great Library eventually, and a slower tech pace very early is good for us.
If so, move him home and merge into capital (and you can be a lot less worried about food, so if working a forest gets Colossus a turn sooner, go for it, it's worth it). It may actually be that we realize he won't get there until we're size 11 or so, in which case it's best to just disband him -- not worth the unit support. It may be best to disband regardless -- do the math and see. I'd say if he can get home when we're still size 10, it's probably marginally worth sending him home.
If we are allowed to build a city, I'd move him to the ivory and settle there. I can't tell very well from the screen shot, but is there a deer over there? If it is, I'd settle adjacent to deer and all three ivory (on the inside of the river bend).
General comment: don't worry about trading for things like Iron Working or Horseback Riding at all, except as incidental to getting cash or workers. We'll pick that up from the Great Library eventually, and a slower tech pace very early is good for us.
Elephantium
Malcolm was a very good cat.
What does "0BC" even mean? To me, it sounds more like "disband the initial settler" than "never build settlers in our cities" -- but that's nonsensical.
Edit: The rules post says "no building settlers", but a popped settler is classified more like a culture flip.
I have some thoughts, but I'd like to hear from Sparthage and Aukrest before posting them.
Sparthage
Fighting Tyranny
If we can build a city, then I'd suggest building the city so that it will pick up both the ivory and horses or Ivory and that whale. I think we could get the settler back to Constantinople in time to add it if we can't build the city.
edit: I figure it will take 15-ish turns to get back to Constantinople.
edit: I figure it will take 15-ish turns to get back to Constantinople.
Bowsling
Deity
It is "Constantinople stands alone", not "Constantinople and Adrianople stand alone". I imagine we join the settler to Constantinople.
Popped settlers are never mentioned, it says in the discussion thread about allowing to keep popped towns, so I would assume that means we can build with popped settlers. I would wait for instruction from the big guy in charge, first.
Bowsling
Deity
Hadn't noticed that. I suppose that is pretty clear. I agree though, wait for TO's verdict.
