SGOTM 04 - Peanut

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  1. a space oddity

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    Sorry guys, I'm not going to make it today. I'll be back on Friday, but will be leaving again that Saturday for a week. I'll be back May 6th.
     
  2. DaviddesJ

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    I now understand that the way to avoid automatic assignment of specialists is to click "Emphasize Food", "Emphasize Production", and "Emphasize Commerce", in every city.

    This doesn't skew the assignment of citizens, but it de-emphasizes specialists.
     
  3. a space oddity

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    Thanks David, that's good to know. If, no make that when, I can find the time to pick up the game again, this will save me loads of clicking. :goodjob:
     
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    Good Luck on your trip, space! I'll put you as 'skip' until you say you can play.

    a space oddity - skipping
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    Wotan, will you be able to play?

    DaviddesJ - thanks for the info to reduce the assignment of specialists. I guess you have to be pretty diligent to set a city's settings the correct way for how you want it to perform.
     
  5. DaviddesJ

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    I find it's not too hard to look at every city every turn to see if you want to move citizens from one tile to another, but when I'm scanning the cities quickly, I don't always notice when there's a specialist. So turning off the default assignment of specialists (as described above) is a big help.
     
  6. Wotan

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    OK, reporting in. Will hopefully be able to play tomorrow night or wednesday at the latest if that is OK. Will have a look at the save tomorrow and post any questions or plans before playing the turns.
     
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    Sounds great!
     
  8. ainwood

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    Hey - thanks very much!
     
  9. Wotan

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    No time to look at the save today. Finally home and off to bed (1AM). Have an early flight tomorrow morning and will check the save then.
     
  10. Wotan

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    Have had a look at the save now. A question before even starting to consider what to do during my turn set is the overshadowing question of how we get Gandhi in position to launch the SS? A few of us tried to do it in the Civ3 version of this game and had a rather difficult time achieving it. But shouldn't we try to boost Gandi's postion and weaken the others? The current opinion seems to favour making Genghis friendly and getting him into war with Gandhi. Shouldn't we actually go on the attack vs. Genghis take his lands and eventually make sure Gandhi claims them and our starting lands as theirs while we continue westward into Carthage, America and and on from there reducing other opponents?

    But the current plan is to keep Genghis happy with us and have him continue fighting Gandhi? And make our first landing on a foreign continent all the way over in the east in Mehmeds lands with an assault on Istanbul? Wouldn't removing Genghis help Gandhi more? Thus giving him a continent next door to his current island to develop and hopefully help launch a SS?

    Tech: Education or PP next. Will check the situation in two turns before final decision.

    Trade: Lit for Theology from Hannibal. Get Washington's gold.

    City management: HE in GNH, Monastery in Nidaros. Settle General in GNH. Grow cities. Start building a landing force of Berserkers and Catapults with supporting naval units. With 5 cities at our disposal this will not be done by the end of my turns but I might as well start it.

    If I make it back home earlier than yesterday will have a go at the turns tonight or tomorrow if not. Also would like a heads up I have accurately understood the current situation. The low intensity in the team discussions make plenty of room for misunderstandings just want to make sure every precaution is taken to avoid any obvious mistakes during my turn set. ;)
     
  11. klarius

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    My take on the long term strategy is that currently Gandhi is doing fine. But we are not :crazyeye:.
    I think our first order of business should be to get a strong empire on the other continent. Then we can go for Genghis and immediately try to get the cities to Gandhi.
    Wotan, you are probably not really aware that in contrast to the civ3 game, Gandhi is giving us quite some grieve with sending units.

    The other point to prioritize Istanbul is that it has pyramids and GLib :D.

    Still another point is, that I think at some time Hannibal will be the biggest problem. I would like to stay friendly with him for now to be our research partner, but backstab him late in the game. That will also need a strong empire on the other continent.
     
  12. Wotan

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    Still learning how CIV works. Thanks for the comments, Klarius. You have also been the player with the best understanding of the current game I guess much from the fact you have been able to continuously monitor the progress while several of us have had RL issues limiting our ability to keep us. So will take the game in the direction suggested by you. Hope to be able to play tonight.
     
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    Wotan: I think your general concept is a good one. However, we will have to get stronger before we can take Genghis on. So taking the low hanging fruit on the other continent sounds to be in order. Then, once we get a bit ahead of Genghis, take him out. And once we're in some control on the other continent, 'grant' our current continent to Gandhi. Trick is to do it in such a way that his economy isn't blown, and so that he doesn't decide to get super aggressive.

    I think we have to keep one or more of the civs that trade more willingly. This way we get new techs to them, and they can trade with Gandhi as he learns new Techs. (Or at least reduce his research time.) Ideally we'll arrange it so that these other civs are small, fairly mad at us, and fairly happy with Gandhi. So we don't want to get them allied with us against India; in fact it would be nice to do the opposite, get them allied with Gandhi against us. I don't know enough about the civs to say which would be best to keep for this, but Genghis wouldn't seem to be on that list!
     
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    The natural friends (from iBasePeaceWeight) of Gandhi are Washington and to a lesser extent Isabella. Gandhi just doesn't know them up to now.
    We should keep these around to trade with Gandhi in the later phases.
    If we have a (more or less phony) war with them for some time their relation to Gandhi will get even better (mutual struggle) and they should trade freely.
    The others already start with a pretty large hidden negative against Gandhi and are less likely to be of help for him.
    These should get destroyed at some time, but that's not urgent. As long as they help with science and trade with us they are useful.
     
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    OK! That sets up a good long term approach.
     
  16. Wotan

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    OK, I think I have enough input now. Will play my turns tomorrow morning. Been swamped the last couple of days anyway. ;)
     
  17. Wotan

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    Have started playing and am in the process of adjusting production and doing trades. Two questions.
    1. I can sell Currency to Washington for his gold. I could do the same to Isabella but that was not mentioned by klarius. Please thell me why we should not do that trade Is it because we don't want her to like us more or that someone will look upon a thre with her as us trading with their worst enemy?
    2. GnH and Upsala both run at a health deficit. Should I add Aqueducts to then ASAP? Else any growth boost as suggested by klaius will only get another citizen to become unhappy? So no gain as I see it. Or do we have a solution to teh health issue I cannot see?
    Will take an hours or so and leave the game open for anyone to help me out.
     
  18. Wotan

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    Played until we have Education and good trading opportunities.
    One question not related to this game specifically: Occationally the minimap in CIV games I play change so I only get info on "controlled territory" not everything I have discovered making it difficult to see what is land and what is sea. Is it a key I have hit by mistake to change to minimap presentation? If so do you know which? I have tried to find anything about it in the manual without success.
    Turn log

    0 &#8211; 710AD
    Trade Theology for Literature, WM and 70 gold from Hannibal. Currency to Washington for 70 gold. Isabella has 80 gold but since klarius was explicit about the trade with Washington and did not mention Isabella I figured I would not do a trade. For my learning benefit could someone please fill me in on this? Is it because trading with Isabella would generate a hit to the relations with someone important? A traded with worst enemy thingy?

    1 &#8211; 725AD

    GroundnutHill Longbowman -> Aqueduct
    Nidaros Longbowman -> Berzerker

    2 &#8211; 740AD
    Astronomy -> Education
    With Astronomy we can trade resources with Hannibal, Cow for our Corn. And Fish for our Gold.
    Found a line about trading with Isa so sold her Literature for 100 gold.

    IBT: Isabella demands we cancel deals with Genghis, I turn her down.

    3 &#8211; 755AD
    Nothing exciting happened.

    4 &#8211; 770AD
    We sink an Indian Trireme.

    5 &#8211; 785AD
    GroundnutHill Aqueduct -> Heroic Epic
    Sarmatian Longbowman -> Galleon

    6 &#8211; 800AD
    Caravel sunk attacking a Trireme.

    7 &#8211; 815AD
    Genghis adopts Theocracy.

    8 &#8211; 830AD
    Gandhi adopts Bureaucracy.

    IBT: Hannibal converts to Buddhism

    9 &#8211; 845AD
    Mehmed wants to trade maps, OK.

    10 &#8211; 860AD
    Nada

    11 &#8211; 875AD
    We sink a Trireme.

    12 &#8211; 890AD
    Haithabu Granary -> Barracks
    WLTMD in Uppsala

    Trade Gems for Rice from Isabella. I thought but through the mishap of a 3 year old bumping into me and mouse clicking it actually was a gift. :( 10 turns to go guys, sorry&#8230;

    IBT: Washington wants us to cancel deals with Genghis, nope. Isabella adopts Vassalage.

    13 &#8211; 905AD
    Nothing

    14 &#8211; 920AD
    Nidaros Berzerker -> Catapult
    Haithabu Barracks -> Catapult

    We sink a Trireme.

    IBT: 3 Warelefants and a Swordman land next to Upsala.

    15 &#8211; 935AD
    GroundnutHill HE -> Berzerker

    Berzerker kill Warelefant, 6.4 HP left
    CIV goes into overdrive, take 100&#37; CPU and everything freezes. I let the computer be for 15 mins but it does not exit the problem it had encountered so I kill CIV process and reboot the game.
    Rerun: Berzerker kill Warelefant, 6.4 HP left
    Berzerker dies attacking Warelefant
    Berzerker kill Warelefant, 1.6 HP left


    16 &#8211; 950AD
    Berzerker kill Swordsman 6.1 HP left

    Engineering available from four sources, will wait at least until we have finished researching Education and the next player picks up the game to trade. Hopefully additional techs will become available.

    17 &#8211; 965AD
    GroundnutHill Berzerker -> Berzerker
    Sarmatian Galleon -> Galleon

    Berzerker kill Warelefant 1.9HP left.
    Indian landing party destroyed.


    After Action Report
    Stop here. It feels like a good point to stop for discussions and a hand over.

    Education just finished. We have plenty of trading opportunities. Philo, Drama and Engineering available for trade.

    Have begun to build a landing party. A few Berzerkers and the first Galleon has been built.

    In five turns my mistake with gems to Isabella can be fixed.

    A nice group of berzerkers are beginning to take shape in Upsala. They sure would kmake a good core of our future landing party.



    Spoiler :
    Turn 214, 710 AD: You have discovered Literature!

    Turn 215, 725 AD: You have discovered Astronomy!

    Turn 217, 755 AD: James Watt (Great Engineer) has been born in Istanbul (Mehmed II)!

    Turn 218, 770 AD: Peanut's Caravel (3.30) vs Gandhi's Trireme (2.40)
    Turn 218, 770 AD: Combat Odds: 79.7%
    Turn 218, 770 AD: (Extra Combat: -10%)
    Turn 218, 770 AD: (Extra Combat: +10%)
    Turn 218, 770 AD: (Plot Defense: +10%)
    Turn 218, 770 AD: Peanut's Caravel is hit for 17 (83/100HP)
    Turn 218, 770 AD: Peanut's Caravel is hit for 17 (66/100HP)
    Turn 218, 770 AD: Peanut's Caravel is hit for 17 (49/100HP)
    Turn 218, 770 AD: Gandhi's Trireme is hit for 23 (77/100HP)
    Turn 218, 770 AD: Gandhi's Trireme is hit for 23 (54/100HP)
    Turn 218, 770 AD: Gandhi's Trireme is hit for 23 (31/100HP)
    Turn 218, 770 AD: Peanut's Caravel is hit for 17 (32/100HP)
    Turn 218, 770 AD: Peanut's Caravel is hit for 17 (15/100HP)
    Turn 218, 770 AD: Gandhi's Trireme is hit for 23 (8/100HP)
    Turn 218, 770 AD: Gandhi's Trireme is hit for 23 (0/100HP)
    Turn 218, 770 AD: Peanut's Caravel has defeated Gandhi's Trireme!
    Turn 218, 770 AD: Mehmed II has completed The Sistine Chapel!
    Turn 218, 770 AD: Washington adopts Bureaucracy!

    Turn 220, 800 AD: Peanut's Caravel (3.00) vs Gandhi's Trireme (2.20)
    Turn 220, 800 AD: Combat Odds: 76.9%
    Turn 220, 800 AD: (Plot Defense: +10%)
    Turn 220, 800 AD: Peanut's Caravel is hit for 17 (83/100HP)
    Turn 220, 800 AD: Gandhi's Trireme is hit for 23 (77/100HP)
    Turn 220, 800 AD: Gandhi's Trireme is hit for 23 (54/100HP)
    Turn 220, 800 AD: Gandhi's Trireme is hit for 23 (31/100HP)
    Turn 220, 800 AD: Peanut's Caravel is hit for 17 (66/100HP)
    Turn 220, 800 AD: Gandhi's Trireme is hit for 23 (8/100HP)
    Turn 220, 800 AD: Peanut's Caravel is hit for 17 (49/100HP)
    Turn 220, 800 AD: Peanut's Caravel is hit for 17 (32/100HP)
    Turn 220, 800 AD: Peanut's Caravel is hit for 17 (15/100HP)
    Turn 220, 800 AD: Peanut's Caravel is hit for 17 (0/100HP)
    Turn 220, 800 AD: Gandhi's Trireme has defeated Peanut's Caravel!
    Turn 220, 800 AD: Genghis Khan adopts Theocracy!

    Turn 221, 815 AD: Gandhi adopts Bureaucracy!

    Turn 222, 830 AD: Hannibal converts to Buddhism!

    Turn 224, 860 AD: The borders of Haithabu have expanded!

    Turn 225, 875 AD: Peanut's Caravel (3.60) vs Gandhi's Trireme (2.20)
    Turn 225, 875 AD: Combat Odds: 95.9%
    Turn 225, 875 AD: (Extra Combat: -20%)
    Turn 225, 875 AD: (Plot Defense: +10%)
    Turn 225, 875 AD: Peanut's Caravel is hit for 15 (85/100HP)
    Turn 225, 875 AD: Gandhi's Trireme is hit for 25 (75/100HP)
    Turn 225, 875 AD: Gandhi's Trireme is hit for 25 (50/100HP)
    Turn 225, 875 AD: Gandhi's Trireme is hit for 25 (25/100HP)
    Turn 225, 875 AD: Gandhi's Trireme is hit for 25 (0/100HP)
    Turn 225, 875 AD: Peanut's Caravel has defeated Gandhi's Trireme!
    Turn 225, 875 AD: Uppsala celebrates "We Love the Monarch Day"!!!

    Turn 226, 890 AD: Uppsala celebrates "We Love the Monarch Day"!!!
    Turn 226, 890 AD: Isabella adopts Vassalage!

    Turn 227, 905 AD: GroundnutHill will grow to size 14 on the next turn

    Turn 228, 920 AD: The enemy has been spotted near Uppsala!
    Turn 228, 920 AD: Peanut's Caravel (3.60) vs Gandhi's Trireme (2.40)
    Turn 228, 920 AD: Combat Odds: 90.1%
    Turn 228, 920 AD: (Extra Combat: -20%)
    Turn 228, 920 AD: (Extra Combat: +10%)
    Turn 228, 920 AD: (Plot Defense: +10%)
    Turn 228, 920 AD: Peanut's Caravel is hit for 16 (84/100HP)
    Turn 228, 920 AD: Gandhi's Trireme is hit for 24 (76/100HP)
    Turn 228, 920 AD: Gandhi's Trireme is hit for 24 (52/100HP)
    Turn 228, 920 AD: Gandhi's Trireme is hit for 24 (28/100HP)
    Turn 228, 920 AD: Peanut's Caravel is hit for 16 (68/100HP)
    Turn 228, 920 AD: Peanut's Caravel is hit for 16 (52/100HP)
    Turn 228, 920 AD: Peanut's Caravel is hit for 16 (36/100HP)
    Turn 228, 920 AD: Peanut's Caravel is hit for 16 (20/100HP)
    Turn 228, 920 AD: Peanut's Caravel is hit for 16 (4/100HP)
    Turn 228, 920 AD: Gandhi's Trireme is hit for 24 (4/100HP)
    Turn 228, 920 AD: Gandhi's Trireme is hit for 24 (0/100HP)
    Turn 228, 920 AD: Peanut's Caravel has defeated Gandhi's Trireme!
    Turn 228, 920 AD: GroundnutHill has grown to size 14
    Turn 228, 920 AD: Uppsala has become unhealthy
    Turn 228, 920 AD: Zoroaster (Great Prophet) has been born in Carthage (Hannibal)!

    Turn 229, 935 AD: The enemy has been spotted near Uppsala!
    Turn 229, 935 AD: The enemy has been spotted near Uppsala!
    Turn 229, 935 AD: Peanut's Berserker (9.60) vs Gandhi's War Elephant (9.60)
    Turn 229, 935 AD: Combat Odds: 50.0%
    Turn 229, 935 AD: (Extra Combat: -20%)
    Turn 229, 935 AD: (Extra Combat: +20%)
    Turn 229, 935 AD: Gandhi's War Elephant is hit for 20 (80/100HP)
    Turn 229, 935 AD: Gandhi's War Elephant is hit for 20 (60/100HP)
    Turn 229, 935 AD: Gandhi's War Elephant is hit for 20 (40/100HP)
    Turn 229, 935 AD: Gandhi's War Elephant is hit for 20 (20/100HP)
    Turn 229, 935 AD: Peanut's Berserker is hit for 20 (80/100HP)
    Turn 229, 935 AD: Gandhi's War Elephant is hit for 20 (0/100HP)
    Turn 229, 935 AD: Peanut's Berserker has defeated Gandhi's War Elephant!
    Turn 229, 935 AD: Your Berserker has destroyed a War Elephant!
    Turn 229, 935 AD: Peanut's Berserker (9.60) vs Gandhi's War Elephant (9.60)
    Turn 229, 935 AD: Combat Odds: 50.0%
    Turn 229, 935 AD: (Extra Combat: -20%)
    Turn 229, 935 AD: (Extra Combat: +20%)
    Turn 229, 935 AD: Peanut's Berserker is hit for 20 (80/100HP)
    Turn 229, 935 AD: Gandhi's War Elephant is hit for 20 (80/100HP)
    Turn 229, 935 AD: Peanut's Berserker is hit for 20 (60/100HP)
    Turn 229, 935 AD: Peanut's Berserker is hit for 20 (40/100HP)
    Turn 229, 935 AD: Peanut's Berserker is hit for 20 (20/100HP)
    Turn 229, 935 AD: Peanut's Berserker is hit for 20 (0/100HP)
    Turn 229, 935 AD: Gandhi's War Elephant has defeated Peanut's Berserker!
    Turn 229, 935 AD: Your Berserker has died trying to attack a War Elephant!
    Turn 229, 935 AD: Peanut's Berserker (9.60) vs Gandhi's War Elephant (9.60)
    Turn 229, 935 AD: Combat Odds: 50.0%
    Turn 229, 935 AD: (Extra Combat: -20%)
    Turn 229, 935 AD: (Extra Combat: +20%)
    Turn 229, 935 AD: Peanut's Berserker is hit for 20 (80/100HP)
    Turn 229, 935 AD: Peanut's Berserker is hit for 20 (60/100HP)
    Turn 229, 935 AD: Gandhi's War Elephant is hit for 20 (80/100HP)
    Turn 229, 935 AD: Peanut's Berserker is hit for 20 (40/100HP)
    Turn 229, 935 AD: Peanut's Berserker is hit for 20 (20/100HP)
    Turn 229, 935 AD: Gandhi's War Elephant is hit for 20 (60/100HP)
    Turn 229, 935 AD: Gandhi's War Elephant is hit for 20 (40/100HP)
    Turn 229, 935 AD: Gandhi's War Elephant is hit for 20 (20/100HP)
    Turn 229, 935 AD: Gandhi's War Elephant is hit for 20 (0/100HP)
    Turn 229, 935 AD: Peanut's Berserker has defeated Gandhi's War Elephant!
    Turn 229, 935 AD: Your Berserker has destroyed a War Elephant!
    Turn 229, 935 AD: Gandhi has 310 gold available for trade
    Turn 229, 935 AD: Genghis Khan has 520 gold available for trade
    Turn 229, 935 AD: Genghis Khan has 10 gold per turn available for trade
    Turn 229, 935 AD: Hannibal has 8 gold per turn available for trade
    Turn 229, 935 AD: Washington has 3 gold per turn available for trade
    Turn 229, 935 AD: Isabella has 6 gold per turn available for trade
    Turn 229, 935 AD: Sarmatian will grow to size 9 on the next turn
    Turn 229, 935 AD: Haithabu has grown to size 3
    Turn 229, 935 AD: A Mine has been destroyed by a marauding Indian War Elephant!
    Turn 229, 935 AD: New Tech(s) to trade: Gandhi, Genghis Khan, Hannibal, Mehmed II, Brennus

    Turn 230, 950 AD: The enemy has been spotted near Uppsala!
    Turn 230, 950 AD: The enemy has been spotted near Uppsala!
    Turn 230, 950 AD: Peanut's Berserker (9.60) vs Gandhi's Swordsman (3.63)
    Turn 230, 950 AD: Combat Odds: 99.9%
    Turn 230, 950 AD: (Extra Combat: -20%)
    Turn 230, 950 AD: (Extra Combat: +10%)
    Turn 230, 950 AD: (Combat: -75%)
    Turn 230, 950 AD: Gandhi's Swordsman is hit for 31 (69/100HP)
    Turn 230, 950 AD: Peanut's Berserker is hit for 12 (88/100HP)
    Turn 230, 950 AD: Peanut's Berserker is hit for 12 (76/100HP)
    Turn 230, 950 AD: Gandhi's Swordsman is hit for 31 (38/100HP)
    Turn 230, 950 AD: Gandhi's Swordsman is hit for 31 (7/100HP)
    Turn 230, 950 AD: Gandhi's Swordsman is hit for 31 (0/100HP)
    Turn 230, 950 AD: Peanut's Berserker has defeated Gandhi's Swordsman!
    Turn 230, 950 AD: Your Berserker has destroyed a Swordsman!
    Turn 230, 950 AD: Brennus has 8 gold per turn available for trade
    Turn 230, 950 AD: You have discovered Education!
    Turn 230, 950 AD: Sarmatian has grown to size 9
    Turn 230, 950 AD: New Tech(s) to trade: Mehmed II

    Turn 231, 965 AD: The enemy has been spotted near Uppsala!
    Turn 231, 965 AD: The enemy has been spotted near Uppsala!
    Turn 231, 965 AD: Peanut's Berserker (9.60) vs Gandhi's War Elephant (8.64)
    Turn 231, 965 AD: Combat Odds: 68.7%
    Turn 231, 965 AD: (Extra Combat: -20%)
    Turn 231, 965 AD: (Extra Combat: +20%)
    Turn 231, 965 AD: (Combat: -25%)
    Turn 231, 965 AD: (Combat: +25%)
    Turn 231, 965 AD: Peanut's Berserker is hit for 19 (81/100HP)
    Turn 231, 965 AD: Peanut's Berserker is hit for 19 (62/100HP)
    Turn 231, 965 AD: Gandhi's War Elephant is hit for 20 (70/100HP)
    Turn 231, 965 AD: Gandhi's War Elephant is hit for 20 (50/100HP)
    Turn 231, 965 AD: Gandhi's War Elephant is hit for 20 (30/100HP)
    Turn 231, 965 AD: Peanut's Berserker is hit for 19 (43/100HP)
    Turn 231, 965 AD: Gandhi's War Elephant is hit for 20 (10/100HP)
    Turn 231, 965 AD: Peanut's Berserker is hit for 19 (24/100HP)
    Turn 231, 965 AD: Gandhi's War Elephant is hit for 20 (0/100HP)
    Turn 231, 965 AD: Peanut's Berserker has defeated Gandhi's War Elephant!
    Turn 231, 965 AD: Your Berserker has destroyed a War Elephant!
     
  19. klarius

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    1.) Sure you can trade also with Isa. Yoy can trade with everybody. I just mentioned the slightly tricky one (Washington). Our map is also worth quite a bit and try to get maps from the ones who give theirs.


    2.) Health is no reason to not grow as long as one has enough food. But I also thought that we can trade some health resources with astronomy. Especially look for wheat (2 health with granary).
    Also look if you can get marble. You can use iron or copper if needed, as we only need one of the two nearterm.

    Well, crossposted, I was a little late.
     
  20. Wotan

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    I found the Isa comment in your post so went ahead with it. Did not sell maps, sorry.

    Forgot to include this piece of information:
    Scoreboard:
    Our losses:
    1 Caravel
    1 Berzerker

    Indian losses:
    3 Triremes
    3 Warelephants
    1 Swordsman
     

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