SGOTM 12 - Ivan

Niftan or AT might be up I think, but AT said he didn't have that much time and Niftan hasn't checked in for several days. If it's hard situation it is best to just upload save so everyone can comment. Don't play to many turns in a set.
 
OK, I finished in the midel of turn 250 AD. Will write turnlog soon.
File on server.
Complicated does not mean "hard"
 
0 "10 AD"*"" Change production for workers and Portugal,
Bombay-> Corthouse, Picman. Declare to China.
Make Embassies in Cartage and Salamanca. Nothing interesting have found there.
Make MA with Cartage and Salamanca vs China.
IBT ""*"Nothing interesting"
1 "30 AD"*"" Disband LB in Thebes and pop-rush Lib.
IBT ""*"Nothing interesting"
2 "50 AD"*""
IBT ""*"Russia declare to Cartage"
3 "70 AD"*""
IBT ""*"Nothing interesting"
4 "90 AD"*""
IBT ""*"Nothing interesting"
5 "110 AD"*"" Unload on Mount near Shanghai. Trade Edu to Persia, Scandinavia and gift to France.
IBT ""*"Nothing interesting"
6 "130 AD"*"" 2 elite win, no Leader.
IBT ""*"Nothing interesting"
7 "150 AD"*"" 1 more Elite Win. Capture Shanghai. China dead. Embassies in Maya and Ottos. Declare to Inca. Load troops to Dormon and sail toward Inca. MA and RoP with Maya and Otto Vs Inca (MM for Maya, Edu for Otto, Forget to make a gift first.)
IBT ""*"French finish Chapel."
8 "170 AD"*"" Bring Explorer to Egypt. Way block.
IBT ""*"Nothing interesting"
9 "190 AD"*"" Unload Explorer in Persia. Fight at Maya-Inca border, win, no leader.
IBT ""*"Inca attack Ottos "
10 "210 AD"*"" 1 more elite win.
IBT ""*"Maya advance"
11 "230 AD"*"" troops from China unload in Inca.
IBT ""*"Maya pillage Inca, Inca have no reply "
12 "250 AD"*"" Elite AC won. Explorer found “separation” between France and Scandinavia.
 
I was on travel for a couple of days I can take the next turn set and play tomorrow after we discuss objectives if you guys want.
 
Nitfan said:
I was on travel for a couple of days I can take the next turn set and play tomorrow after we discuss objectives if you guys want.
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OK. that mean Roster is :
Nitfan
A. Teller
nerovats
glenmetz
Ivan
Objective is
1) War in Inca: finish them off, however south stack is for Leader fishing, north stack is to take Cuzco.
2) Research and Build-up. I use tactics of forest plant/cut near Bombay. The same may be done with Thebes. Bring more worker there. We may join after work.
WLKD is good there.
Teno not grow itself, but we may bring Workers and joyned (work on sea, for Science).
ToG will be soon (16-17 turns). I think, when 8 turn before Constantinople may start prebuild via HE.
After Uni in Teo Caravells?
3) Politics. Starnge things happend at South Continent. Russia at war with Cartage, I also observe massive Greek and Arab mouvments
 
We're currently strong to both Maya and Inca, I'declare immediately on Maya after this war, just wait 1 turn so absolutely no risk of rep hit.

I'm a bit confused about unit placement. There's lots of tiny stacks and 2 ships with units underway to somewhere. Looks like Maya will take city next turn, or maybe we are lucky and they end up 1 attacker short.

Maybe we should give away astronomy to make sure ai won't start on that, also give away chemistry next turn to civs with powder.

Forrest plant/chop works only once per tile right?

When declaring on Maya be aware of landings.

Looks like next couple of turnsets look rather obvious, claim Inca and Maya, not Ottomans as we need their free techs. Get science high as possible time pre-build well.
 
nerovats said:
We're currently strong to both Maya and Inca, I'declare immediately on Maya after this war, just wait 1 turn so absolutely no risk of rep hit..
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We also loose rep if let Inca to kill Otto, say. That was an argument to unload Elite group at south. Actually it is for Leader fishing.
nerovats said:
I'm a bit confused about unit placement. There's lots of tiny stacks and 2 ships with units underway to somewhere. Looks like Maya will take city next turn, or maybe we are lucky and they end up 1 attacker short.
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"A la ger...": I just try to squize to Cusco by all means. IBT Maya even did not try to attack Cosco. (AI knows...) So 3 Units will stay and wait more. I even think that Units from Caravell. 9 I think will be enough. Ensure path from Maya land...
nerovats said:
Maybe we should give away astronomy to make sure ai won't start on that, also give away chemistry next turn to civs with powder.
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It is not obvious, but probably you are right. What do yo think about idea to drag persia to war vs Hitties? (Make them stronger in a future)? And Duch to help?
nerovats said:
Forrest plant/chop works only once per tile right?
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Yes 1 only. And it may difficult FP planing. If forest cut in Thebes FP willbe "forbiden".
 
Why do we lose rep if Inca kill Otto's?
I think that is very remote chance as Otto's have city on island, the must have at least 3-4 units in there so I'm not worried about that.

I think giving techs away is obvious as we don't want our strong partners to waste science turns on stuf we already know. I don't want to give AI key techs like powder or MT, but banking for instance will help as then they will generate more gold to pay us. By giving I ofcourse mean get what ever we can get.

Hope Niftan can play tonight so AT can also get a turnset in this weekend.
 
nerovats said:
Why do we lose rep if Inca kill Otto's?
I think that is very remote chance as Otto's have city on island, the must have at least 3-4 units in there so I'm not worried about that.

I think giving techs away is obvious as we don't want our strong partners to waste science turns on stuf we already know. I don't want to give AI key techs like powder or MT, but banking for instance will help as then they will generate more gold to pay us. By giving I ofcourse mean get what ever we can get.

Hope Niftan can play tonight so AT can also get a turnset in this weekend.
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We make MA with Ottos vs Inca. The rule is that rep gone if MA will "over"before 20 turns. (If "we" win, it is OK). So if Inca capture Otto's capital we have to protect Island City by all means. Elite SoD hope to hunter wounded units at Inca-Otto border. (It was my idea.)
What do you think about drag Persia to war vs Hitties?
 
I'll have the writeup up in about 2-3 hours, I thought I would be able to play last night but I wasn't able to. Playing now.
 
Preflight

Things are a little confusing here so I just want to clarify. There is a dromon down towards the greek continent with a treb and MDI. What exactly are we doing with that? Are we gifting Shangai to Greece?

Secondly we are really short on Units to take Inca especially to then take Maya afterwards, Maya will probably take Cuzco this IBT. I think we may need to rethink out plans a little we need more units if we are going to take out maya immediately, may be better to wait till we have proper force to do so instead of doing it right after taking out inca.
 
we have more units then allowed. Shanghai gift may wait.
Dormon with Trebukhet sails to Inca. Read what I wrote in discussion with nerovats:
6 Units will be near Cusco this turn and 3 from Caravell turn after.
9 is enough to take Cusco. Then... Who knows.
If you manage to finish Inca before your 10 turn you may stop and we discuss tomorrow.
 
250AD - Dromon to Inca, move some workers, consolidate the stack by cuzco. MM constantinople (changed to iron and ocean for 3 more science and same production)

IBT - Persia DOW'd Mongols, Arabs took a city but I could only see the border no name.

260AD - Physics in 8 at -14 gpt. Load workers from Thebes. Osaka, Uni>Horseman

IBT -Maya attacking Cuzco but don't take it

270AD - Take out two spears with the EMDI's, no leader. Unload caravel next to cuzco.

IBT - Mongols land near Incan city.

280AD - Attack Cuzco. AC loses to Espear, AC beats vspear, 3 MDI defeat vspears, AC loses to redlined espear, AC defeats archer and capture Cuzco at size 7 with rax, granary, harbor, market, and aqueduct in tact. Now running at -2 gpt. Cuzco library in 14.

IBT - Inca want peace, no thanks

290AD - Setup to take the other city, move workers around, join in teno. Decided to pop rush the library in Cuzco because it was starving out anyway.

IBT - nothing

300AD - Cuzco lib >courthouse. Maya are getting in the way bigtime, this is going to be a pita.

IBT - maya pillage everything in sight

310AD - Renew silks and wool deal for lux's and throw in astro to france and scandinavia. Education to greece for 17gpt. We're down a lot of gpt and no one can give us anymore. Unload by Tiwanaku.


IBT - Nothing except Inca managed to take the island city from Ottomans.

320AD - 4 MDI's win, 1 loses, AC wins and take Tiwanaku, load back up to go take Edrine. Science is down to 80%.

I'm going to stop here if you guys want to look at the save, I can't believe Inca took the island city. If you want to unload we could probably take Maya now but we'll have to discuss it. I didn't gift powder or chem yet, just astro because no one has any money whatsoever and we need some gpt if we can get it.
 
Will look at save shortly, I'm also very surprised Inca took island city. Major disapointment. Can't go to war with Maya now unitl we finish Inca, or 20 turns are up. If Ivan is right we should protect the Ottomans capitol, best way to do that is probably take the island city.
 
There are 8 turns left in MA's against Inca. It will take several turns to get there, then several more to get back. I think better to prepare for war against Maya, and make peace with Inca after 8, maybe Maya or Ott's wil even take that city before 8. After expansion of Cuzco we should have the mountain NE of the incense N of Cuzco. From there the AC's can attack Copan the turn of declaring. We will need some more units on the choke in the north first, and make sure our units are not in their territory when we declare. Since the best attack of Maya is 2 we can have 2 muskets 2-4 LB's (for defensive shot) and the 2 AC's on choke. Also 2 muskets some LB's and all AC, in the attack stack.

I'd pop-rush Bombay in 2, and MM the Portugese cities to get workers sooner.
Constantinol to HE after this MI.
Kyoto can get more commerce.
Teno and Osaka are about to riot.
Why didn't you move the explorer, there's more to be discovered.
 
Not sure about Hittities, we only have few units in Thebes, don't want to risk losing that. Persia is probably strong enough to take them, but I'd be more comfortable with more untis on defence, also in formaer Aztec.

Do we want to write spoiler, I saw there's one for teams who met everyone and know powder.
 
nerovats said:
1) There are 8 turns left in MA's against Inca. It will take several turns to get there, then several more to get back. I think better to prepare for war against Maya, and make peace with Inca after 8, maybe Maya or Ott's wil even take that city before 8.
2) After expansion of Cuzco we should have the mountain NE of the incense N of Cuzco. From there the AC's can attack Copan the turn of declaring. We will need some more units on the choke in the north first, and make sure our units are not in their territory when we declare. Since the best attack of Maya is 2 we can have 2 muskets 2-4 LB's (for defensive shot) and the 2 AC's on choke. Also 2 muskets some LB's and all AC, in the attack stack.

3) I'd pop-rush Bombay in 2,
3a) and MM the Portugese cities to get workers sooner.
Constantinol to HE after this MI.
Kyoto can get more commerce.
4) Teno and Osaka are about to riot.
5) Do we want to write spoiler, I saw there's one for teams who met everyone and know powder.
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1) Well, I disagree. Wake up troops in Caravell and move them to another Caravell and move to Island. (THIS TURN!) Next turn you will unload at Island and with D support bombard they may left. 3-4 turns, not 8!
We may start war with Maya IF they make peace with Inca, but not make peace with Inca If otto did not. 2) When Inca will over, it will be more clear. Now I think we may try to block Maya in Inca land.
3) Disagree: it is 3 Citizen and long "Oppression". Better forest plant and cut and Poprush for 1 Citizen.
Why workers irrigate in India instead of forest plant?
Why you take out workers from Egypt?
What for so many forest near Teo? This worker have to go to Thebes...
3a) Yes, Kyoto will put Labor on hill when Grow, so 3 spt is enough.
4) Yea, bring horses from Teo. Teno may build Musketeer instead of C/H.

We may trade smth to Otto for 20+6gpt.

5) We did not met America yet.
 
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