SGOTM 12 - Ivan

[AutomatedTeller]

good point on chivalry - won't trade those.

I agree we can't war on persia right now - our forces are way out of position.
I don't think we should actually make any war at all for awhile.

I think the next place is persia/hittittes island, though i dunno who it is. Probably should wait until we are in the IA to take out persia. That runs the risk that they get rifles and we are screwed, of course.

 

[I. Larkin]

I don't think we should actually make any war at all for awhile.

But Defensive wars (Romans, Hitties) OK, I hope?
Difficult part is Maya land: We need lot of Workers there to build Harbor, Lib/Uni.
Idea is Forest Plant-Cut-Irrigate, not just Irrigate...

 

[AutomatedTeller]

Forest plant/cut makes sense.

Wasn't thinking of trading chivalry until the IA - well, I thought of it briefly, but looked at it again.

I am not sure we will get WH for Rome, but am willing to try it. I assume that if we get it, it will overcome the problems with moving lux down.

I was gonna say that we won't get help from france on anything except rep parts in the IA... but I'm not sure - will they still go nuts over communism when there is no new government they can switch to?

More likely, though, they go back to the MA optionals - mil trad/navigation/economics.

I still want to move much of the army over to the persia continent, but I'll leave them hanging around bombay for MP/keep safe against rome duty.

You do not want the explorer to go exploring the hittitte continent?

 

[nerovats]

I was trying to send the explorer south into Babylon but route is blocked.

Do research MT, or any other optional tech. We'll get it from AI.

 

[I. Larkin]

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Do research MT, or any other optional tech. We'll get it from AI.

Did you mean "Do NOT research MT, or any other optional tech." ?

 

[nerovats]

typo

 

[AutomatedTeller]

I have no intention of researching MA optionals...

 

[I. Larkin]

I am about to do some calculation about "future".
Preliminary result: Distance Table:
City x y d
Constantinople 42 36 0
Teotihuacan 47 37 4.
Osaka 44 42 5.
Tenochtitlan 49 29 7.
Kyoto 40 48 9.
Delhi 34 24 11.
Thebes 52 48 0
Chichen_Itza 28 34 11.
Copan 26 40 13.
Cuzco 25 47 15.
Bombay 31 19 15.
Tiwanaku 25 55 18.
Oporto 22 18 19.
Lisbon 28 14 20.
Edrine 25 67 25.
Shanghai 55 73 19.
Memphis 59 47 5.
Persipolis 57 39 8.
Pasargard 63 41 10.
Amsterdam 70 40 15.
Rotterdam 67 47 11.
Tarsus 65 31 16.
Hattussa 71 29 19.
Rome 42 18 13.
Veli 37 13 18.
Barselona 12 24 25.
Seoul 11 13 29.
Madrid 6 26 29.
Summer 15 53 24.
Ur 13 57 27.
Cartage 44 66 15.
Utica 49 69 16.
Moscow 38 76 24.

 

[AutomatedTeller]

well, it looks like I'm not going to be able to play after all I'm away all the rest of the week and will be away all next weekend, as well.

 

[I. Larkin]

I am sorry - I expected to be able to play some this weekend, but I have had unexpected guests (a friend of mine had her flight cancelled on friday and isn't able to get out till tonight, despite another 3 hour stand in line yesterday)

well, it looks like I'm not going to be able to play after all I'm away all the rest of the week and will be away all next weekend, as well.

Could we plan our time better somehow? All this delays reduces rate to less then 20 turns a week. May be you want to switch to lurker status?

Glenmetz up.

 

[I. Larkin]

Here is results of my calculations for Corruption with (Ni=1) and wihout Corthouse (Ni=0). Distace Corruption is constant in this game, but rank depend on actual (cuurrent) City Rank. (Also constant in the table).
Thebse have 10%. First seven cities have most output and we may account on more 20. The resrt may consider only as specialist Farm

 

[nerovats]

So we need Rome and Persia soon, as they are productive the rest only for farming.

 

[I. Larkin]

So we need Rome and Persia soon, as they are productive the rest only for farming.

Yes, this is kind of "conclusion". Really, AT was right about Persia. Now dilemma: if we gift Persia to IA it is a risk, that they will get Nationalism...

 

[nerovats]

We can gift them last, if we don't get all techs we want. Otherwise not give them and take them out. Maybe give Shanghai first to keep them alive into MA?

 

[I. Larkin]

Shanghai now OK, if we want give somthing better Erdine. Now question : it is 9-13 turns to IA. Will we at war with Persia bifore that or right after? Also if we still want to Declare to Rome for WH?

 

[nerovats]

It will take several turns before we got the units to attack Persia, better to wait the last couple of turns as well to see if we need to trade to Persia. Could declare on Rome if we get WH from that, but would prefer to do so in 2 tuns or so to get dromons inbetween us and Rome. But if we declare will that give WH? After getting some rifles we can land somewhere, but must make sure Rome wil attack them. I read somewhere AI will not attack if chance of succes is less then 10%, a fortified Rifle on a mountain will defend at 13.5, I'm not sure AI will go for that with an attack of 3. Persia will be strong soon after getting rifles so I'd say concentrate on them, if we need to trade with them make sure we can take them out in just a couple of turns, sign MA with Persian neighbours.

 

[I. Larkin]

Unless something moded for this SG, war happines will re-appear, no matter who declare the war. Since glenmetz did not appear 3 days I post my official "got it". However I will be out of my desk until 11 April, but I will take Laptop with Civ and hope will have sometime internet access.

 

[I. Larkin]

Internet bad and expensive here . I finish turnset (580 AD) and try to upload it. I think we can defend Rome.
Next turn Load ve Rifel on Galeon and bring to Rome together with Coscript.
After few attamts cant upload to server. Can anybody do it ?
Will write turnlog soon.
Ivan
Nitfan up.

 

[nerovats]

Seen this and uploaded the save, will take a look at save later, maybe later today otherwise it will be thurday..

 

[nerovats]

Seems like we were really unlucky getting techs from AI. But have hospitals in 6.

After hospital go electricity to be able to irrigate everywhere then RP to get fast workers, infantry and arties. The scientific method to get wonder time that to get Atomics theory and electronics for free.

All Roman forces seem to be close to us, Could sail around and stab them in the back. We will lose our WH but we won't lose lot of units.

Why at war with Dutch? I thought we we're going after Peria and team up with everyone else. You didn't trade with Persia so they won't get rifles for a while.

Coloseums are pre-builds for hospitals.

If we use draft option we must land them on a mountain otherwise they still have good chance of losing. Don't really like to use them all together.

We can change some citizens to get more shields without dropping science rate.

We can still get some gpt for music theory.

Why can't we trade maps?