SGOTM 12 - Ivan

AT must already have started the pre-build(s). Let's just continue roster. That would make me up after AT. Then we can see how far we get, after AT 30 turns after me 20 turns..?
 
nerovats said:
AT must already have started the pre-build(s). Let's just continue roster. That would make me up after AT. Then we can see how far we get, after AT 30 turns after me 20 turns..?
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Ok, let see when AT finish. You next.
 
Let me know what you decide and if you need me to take turns I'll make sure I catch up or double check before doing anything. I definitely won't be offended if you guys just want to finish the run as Larkin stated their is definitely a lot going on with this many civs.
 
Nitfan said:
Let me know what you decide and if you need me to take turns I'll make sure I catch up or double check before doing anything. I definitely won't be offended if you guys just want to finish the run as Larkin stated their is definitely a lot going on with this many civs.
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It will be nice, if you catch up nerovats turn-set and play after him and I after you. I hope that it finish the game. Your turn-set will be important in a sense of preparation Diplo victory. Do you have any experince on that?
 
I've only gotten to 1040 - high points - babylon is now at war with france as well, we get refining next turn.

Low points - pollution is killing us and we have support issues - currently, at 100% science, we are losing some 80 GPT. I think we need to stop building naval units, but I'm not sure.


Open up the save, IBT
Pollution hits delhi

990 - Pasgardae Harbor
IBT - guys move around, Celtic ships move past.
1000 AD - finish forest chops around constantinople, move frigates to pick up workers at edrine.
Babylon makes peace with france
Germany signs a trade embargo with us vs. france
Greek gems/spice for money trade ends.
Trade scientific method to them for 10 GPT
Pollution hits delhi and chichen itza
1010 AD - not a lot - continue railing
IBT Paris French complete universal suffrage

1020 - Clean pollution, use some mil to help along production
Pasgardae harbor->granary.
IBT - Zulu and france sign a trade agreement
We are losing 85 GPT a turn

France lands forces next to perseopolis
Babylon declares war on france!!

1030 Bombard musketeers. Move forces to perseopolis and iron mountain.
Add workers to Pasgardae

IBT - French MDI and Longbows attack Perseopolis and impale themselves

1040 - bombard french naval forces.
 
Babylon declares war on france!!
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???
It have happend in my turnset. When they make peace?
Did you start UN pre-build? I see, you did not. Don't know Delhi or Cusco. May be coal plant first.
nerovats up. It is a lot to change in production, as far as I can see...
May be welth somwhere??
 
It's max of 33 turns to MA, but probably couple of turns less. With luck 10 turns to go in the MA, but maybe more likely 20 (counting 10 turns per tech).
No pre-build(s) started. Cuzco is at 31spt, Delhi 24spt (but can easily be improved), so 30-40 turns to get to 1000shields. No need for coalplants. Putting al cities to wealth will give 40-50 gpt. We can sell buildings to save another 30-40 gpt and 500-700 gold (quick guess). We can also get 30-40 bpt more by turning cities into science farms, which is probably better then to join them into mildly corrupted cities.
We're only at war with France and only Germany and France have trade embargo against us. Should be ok. Lot's of unhappy faces though, would like to give an old tech to all of them just to make them a bit more friendly and try to prevent France to sign more embargo's against us. Still have some MPP's going for 8 turns I suppose we don't want those. Can we make peace with France before those MPP's run out? Might be better to just stay at war for now, I believe we're getting WH. But there are sevral weak point in defence. Might be more save to have peace, and we can trade for wool again.
Also need some MM, but will take care of that. We adding up I think we should be able to hit 1000bpt even next turn and be ably to pay for that. Being very optimistic that would mean hit MA in 28 + 10 in MA = 38 turns at best, could even wait bit more with pre-builds, and put cities on wealth. Will probably play tomorrow, after discussion.
 
sorry - I miswrote something in my turn log. Zulu has a trade embargo against us. In 7 turns, France pulled 2 civs in on a trade embargo against us. This is probably the biggest threat we have, the worry that France signs in enough people in an embargo against us that the UN vote is inconclusive.
 
Was gona play but was also up in other SG so decided to play that one to make sure we agree on my writing.
AT I checked all civs for trades and I only saw trade embargo between france and germany. Will check before play to make sure though.
 
at 60% we're making 640 bpt according to civassist so should be able to get to 1000-1100 on 100% with maybe some scientists. Problem is, can we maintain that?
 
nerovats said:
It's max of 33 turns to MA, but probably couple of turns less. With luck 10 turns to go in the MA, but maybe more likely 20 (counting 10 turns per tech).
No pre-build(s) started. Cuzco is at 31spt, Delhi 24spt (but can easily be improved), so 30-40 turns to get to 1000shields. No need for coalplants. Putting al cities to wealth will give 40-50 gpt. We can sell buildings to save another 30-40 gpt and 500-700 gold (quick guess). We can also get 30-40 bpt more by turning cities into science farms, which is probably better then to join them into mildly corrupted cities.
We're only at war with France and only Germany and France have trade embargo against us. Should be ok. Lot's of unhappy faces though, would like to give an old tech to all of them just to make them a bit more friendly and try to prevent France to sign more embargo's against us. Still have some MPP's going for 8 turns I suppose we don't want those. Can we make peace with France before those MPP's run out? Might be better to just stay at war for now, I believe we're getting WH. But there are sevral weak point in defence. Might be more save to have peace, and we can trade for wool again.
Also need some MM, but will take care of that. We adding up I think we should be able to hit 1000bpt even next turn and be ably to pay for that. Being very optimistic that would mean hit MA in 28 + 10 in MA = 38 turns at best, could even wait bit more with pre-builds, and put cities on wealth. Will probably play tomorrow, after discussion.
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OK,
1) It is lot less to finish!
Steel 6, Combussion 7, MP-6, MT 6, Flight - 8. It is 33 Turns. We will trade via big pictute and I hope will get Fussion at turn 34. 1 out of 8 Sci opponents may get Fussion! So Cuzco (25 spt) now may start Palace Pre-build and Dheli (24 bpt) Hover (Build/ Prebuid). Not sure, but Coal plant first may be better.

Or 10 turns later, 44.
2) We have to cansel MPP when it is expire and do not make anymore, only against potential UN opponent. Sure, we have to have reputation clean.
I am not a big expert in Diplo, but sometime I got 2 opponents. Probably it is a situation when 1 have largest land and 2 have largest population.
I am not sure, that embargo against us is harmeful : Germany still polite.
The real harm of embargo, that french will not have trade with us as well.
3) About bpt and gpt: sell some improvement may be an idea:, (Barracks, granaries in Cities that will not grow.
Put Something in Fortress near Chichen before Ottomans occupied it.
 
We should only have 1 opponent.

Rules of the UN:

Civ who builds the UN is a candidate.
Any civ with 25% of land OR 25% of population is a candidate.
There must be at least two candidates, so if no other civ meets 25% crtieria, the largest civ will be chosen - I do not know if that is done by land or by population. We should probably pick someone and gift cities to them to make sure we know.
 
Thanks AT. However I so many times face the situation when manual say one thing and practice another. But, I think that this was tested at forum.
Looked at save again: There is no Ship chain in India Sea. It is very difficult
to clean pollution fast and defend with minimum forses without fast ship chain. We need 1 ship in Delhi and 2 in the middle to reach Rome or Constantinople in 1 turn. What 2 Galeons do in South-West India??
About Pre-Build. After Corruption Cusko do 25 spt. We have to increase it!
nerovats, please, mine roaded hill and put some workers in Cuzko and build Coal plant now. In worst case scenario we will have SETI in it... better in Delhi or Tenotchilian, but it is too late. Dormon have Letal sea bombardment. So better to use it together with Frigate, when Frgate starts and Dormons finish. Any french passes near north dormon?
 
Pre trun
sell several buildings
change Cuzco to Palace and mm to 31 schields, will also mine the hill
put infantry in the stronghold
Change scientists into taxmen, and some citizens as well
Zulu and Germany have tradeembargo with France against us
IBT
France lands stack outside Veii
1050AD
Memphis court->uni
Kyoto market->wealth (for now)
kill the French near Persepolis
Can't save Veii, tried with an knight maybe get lucky but no use. To whom shall we give it?
I need 25 more bpt to get steel in 5, will probably get there by joining some workers.

So before I continue, to which civ will we give Veii? Otto's or chose one civ to make them biggest one, both land and citizens, to become our competitor.
 
First sugestion : Arab. BTW, did you trade with them? They could pay some gpt at preturn...
Proper thing was to fortify knights and bring Cavs on Galeon at 2 turns...
 
French stack had 2 LB knight and rifle no way to hold it.
Hadn't traded with Arabia, get 54 gold and 4 gpt for Music Theory
Agree on giving Veii to Arabs, now they like us.
Give away some WM's to get some happy faces, can't get more gold
Check strength, only France is stronger then we are, few equal majority is weak
Position ships better to prevent France from landing
Bombard some frech join workers, think it should be 5 turns now, altough civ still thinks it's 6.
Had forgotten to Put Delhi on Hoover last turn so do it now @24spt (Cuzco @27spt)
IBT
Celts and France sign embargo against us
Spain lands Sword and horse outside Lisbon
Korea send a pike next to Oporto
1060AD
have to join few more workers but now Steel in 4
Put some units in Lisbon and Oporto
Greece will pay 6gpt 19 gold for corporation
Arabia pays 5 gpt and 12 gold for navigation
IBT
France and england sign embargo against us
Korea and Spain do not attack
1070AD
sink several French ships
IBT
French approach Rome
1080AD
get some more French ships
Bombard the French stack kill a knight
IBT
Korea and France sign peace
Scandinavia and France sign embargo against us
1 LB attacks Rome and loses the other LB and rifle retreat
1090AD
Get the last French ship
Our army is now average to France
IBT
we lose our dyes
a Korean pike and Spanish horse keep wandering trough our territory
1100AD
Steel in Combustion in 6, can even change some scientists into taxmen
disband LB to avoid unit support
IBT
Otto's and France sign peace
110AD
Teo riots had forgotten to get dyes back
Can't get it now (sorry), Combustion still in 5 though
IBT
america want's to trdae maps, sure
Otto's declare on french
French move LB in open
1120AD
Teo hospital->market
Leader fish, no luck
get 8gpt for some luxes from Arabia
Babylon pays 25 gpt for corporation
keep disbanding old units to avoid upkeap
IBT
Frnech appear to have assembled another fleet but the skew off into Scandinavia
Bably don't want to prolong MPP, good
1130AD
bombard the French ships
IBT
England declares on Babylon
Sumeria and France sign embargo against us
Ottomans and England team up against Babylon
Babylon wants embargo against England, no thanx
1140AD
Persepolis hospital->market
IBT
defend againt cavalry
1050AD
Memphis uni->cav
Forgot to MM Persepolis after taking units out of it so it riots
Combustion due next turn, with lot's of taxmen we're making gold.
Not sure wether or mot to make peace with france so stop here (been 10 turns as well).

We should be able to get flight in 6 as well, so that leaves 17 turns to MA.
Palace is now just 700 shields but should get more when hitting MA.
All the trade embargo's worry me, not sure what they'll do. I think we should make peace with France and become friends as they seem to be initiating all embargo's. If we get really lucky when hitting MA we could finish in 17 turn. So if Niftan could play 10, then Ivan could finish it.
 
Read turnlog and looked at save. Obviosly not the best nerovat's turnset.
How French skeep near north Dormon? did AT miss it in the report?
Dyse and following French Sumerian embargo really painful stuff. Without 2 lux stay at 100% is wery difficult. Now, obviously we have WH. Unfortunately it will be 18 turns more, no matter peace or what. Probably after MA trade we may declare war to sumeria. Was not wise trade to Arabia. For UN we may arrange MA against it. But we have to have reputation clean.
I am without connection untill wednesday morning. Nitfan did not reply to my offer to play turnset, so I assume that I am up...
Palace 700 is nasty surprise for me. I think in this situation better to have UN in Constantinople (Usr BFM for prebuild). 500 in Constantinople is better then 300 in Cuzko and 200 in Delhi.. so it is 3 prebuilds altogether...
 
I think what happened with the french is that I saw them go by, but for some reason thought they were the celts. That's the only thing I can think of. I am pretty sure I watched them go by, thinking "wonder where the celts are going"

in fact, I saw them land and thought - "oh crap - the celts are coming for us too?"
 
Short check fpom airport. (will play in the plain.
I think if peace with French we have to go to war with English to get Dyce..
 
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