SGOTM 13 - Ivan

OK, my suggestion is to trade WC next turn and swich warrior in Kyoto to Archers.
Amerca declare 3 turns ago, so we go to war instead of settelment.
Curragh may scout north to avoid America. Another may wait and see, how fast America will come. One American galley I saw SW from Marsden land. Korea has Builgt Copernicus.
Thats it.
 
Am I up now?

We are at war with America? At least that will give us some happiness.
Yes, you are up. WH +gpt deals gone. We will be happy some time.
I think we may use settler to prebuild Archerer in Kyoto, Research at max 2turns WC, than trade it (from Korea?), or who cheaper, and research BW.
Dunno, if we may conquer Marsden Land during this war.
 
0 250*AD Trade 16 for 1gpt from America. Sci 90% MM in 5
IBT ZZZ
1 260*AD Now we know Korea. Reduce sci 60%
IBT ZZZ
2 270*AD zzz
IBT ZZZ
3 280*AD
IBT ZZZ
4 290*AD Curragh survive and contact Spain. They also well ahead.
We got contact for Cartage, Mongols. Sci 10%, MM next.
IBT ZZZ Galley in Kyoto, Settler in 3 turns. Curragh sail south. LA defend by reg spear.
5 300*AD Set Galley in Osaka.
IBT ZZZ America settles on single tile island.
6 310*AD
IBT ZZZ America pop up, demand 20. Decided to take risk and refuse. They declare.
7 320*AD Swich production to harbors. West curragh turn North to avoid Americans. Clivland defend by reg spear.
IBT ZZZ Looks that Spain at war with Americans.
8 330*AD Barracks in Kyoto. Archer Pre-build. Met Iroquois.
IBT ZZZ Russia built Chapel, Korea Copernicus. Korea richest.
9 340*AD Kansas defended by reg Pickman
IBT ZZZ Barracks
10 350*AD Idea to make 4-6 Archers and take LA and Clivland.
Also resonable to make embassy with Spain(Borrow money fron Korea?) and make MA to get BW-IW
 
Whats going on?
Why AT disapper?
Whats about Elear? Is he better?
May be Marsden will play?
 
I can take it if it's my time.

How can we take the one tile island without Marines?

Beef up and take LA, gotcha.

BTW, did we send in a 1000BC save?
 
Sonner or later Americans will bring Knights and kill us. To make a peace we may put some workers to LA to give it back. Or build special City "for trade" of peace deal. Hopefully we take Clivland before America come.
Since AT and Elear did not appear withi 103 hours Marsden up.
 
Sorry for disappearing. If Marsden hasn't taken it, I will - I'll track him down and find out.

Some things from looking at the save:

We can get WC for 4 gpt + 30.

BW takes 10 gpt + 10 gold. God knows what IW would take.

We can get contact with Byzantium from Egypt for 4 gpt + 30, which can be traded away to other civs with printing press.

I think we should trade for the contact and leverage it for WC, build archers and galleys and take a city or two from the americans, then see what to do about getting other techs.
 
Sorry for disappearing. If Marsden hasn't taken it, I will - I'll track him down and find out.

Some things from looking at the save:

We can get WC for 4 gpt + 30.

BW takes 10 gpt + 10 gold. God knows what IW would take.

We can get contact with Byzantium from Egypt for 4 gpt + 30, which can be traded away to other civs with printing press.

I think we should trade for the contact and leverage it for WC, build archers and galleys and take a city or two from the americans, then see what to do about getting other techs.
We dont need WC NOW. 2 turns later it will be cheaper. Put Sci 100% this 2 turns.
As I assumed we may get Tech from Spain for MA(s).
According to F3 Spain at war vs Egyptians. Alternatively we may borrow money and make embassy with Egyptians and trade smth for war vs Spain.
 
Played 12 turns (got carried away!!)

Nothing much happened - got WC and BW. Tried to borrow money, no one was willing. We have 2 galleys and one about to finish, 3 archers and one about to finish. Continued explorations around portugal and about to enter, I think, Egyptian waters. Met a Roman galley exploring around portugal, as well.

Kyoto running at 10 SPT, which is a 1 food deficit, but can pump out 2 turn archers.

Korea has navigation and economics (have started Smiths and Magellans)

Traded 1 gpt and 25 gold to Portugal for WC.
 
Ok, I'm up for sure this time barring any more problems.
 
Tried to borrow money, no one was willing.
??? ???
Just put 6-7 gpt and ask 100-120 gold. If reputation OK they can't reject.
In most casese they will not offer themselvs. (I had it only once).
 
It is strange, that Elear disapper. I saw "him" at SG subforum.
Elear, where are you?
Let's assume, that he is still sick and Marsden up.
 
oh.

I thought you meant the "borrow function"

How did I miss that???

Do we think we'll be able to get ironworking for an MA? Problem with doing that, of course, is that we won't be able to make peace until spain does or for 20 turns... but it's worth a shot. If we have iron, that would certainly help.
 
MA at Demidog 18-25 gpt at present situation. I think if Spain at war with many it may be enough for IW.
Did you observed any other wars?
 
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