SGOTM 17 - Unusual Suspects
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OK, will do tomorrow.
ChrisShaffer
Board gamer
Absolutely do not whip with no hammers invested. We are not that desperate.
Otherwise, looks pretty OK as a plan to me. I'll try to update the test save a bit later today.
Otherwise, looks pretty OK as a plan to me. I'll try to update the test save a bit later today.
SteelHorse
Deity
i should have said "net" - but yes that is what i meant.
SteelHorse
Deity
thought it was a pretty common civ acronym
Random thoughts.
I think settling the iron spot before mansa should be a priority for the next turnset.
Should we gift him pigs for diplo points now?
We've got plenty of food for now with pigs Cal is a lower priority.
What do we think mansa is researching?
What about the LJS - any views here?
A shame there are no vassals, that could have solved the problem of seeing what mansa is researching. on this point though, getting our hands on the Buddhist holy city is not out of the question. Mansa trades at Annoyed and shared religion can net +7 alone with +1 base. so one war will not stop him from trading.
Can we do some scouting of his lands?
Trystero
Deity
thought it was a pretty common civ acronym
Random thoughts.
I think settling the iron spot before mansa should be a priority for the next turnset.
Should we gift him pigs for diplo points now?
We've got plenty of food for now with pigs Cal is a lower priority.
What do we think mansa is researching?
What about the LJS - any views here?
A shame there are no vassals, that could have solved the problem of seeing what mansa is researching. on this point though, getting our hands on the Buddhist holy city is not out of the question. Mansa trades at Annoyed and shared religion can net +7 alone with +1 base. so one war will not stop him from trading.
Can we do some scouting of his lands?
I think the Iron city should go 1N of the iron. It will have rice, bananas, and cows (shared with Pork Central). The bananas on the hill 1E of the rice will be unused, but they can be used by a filler city between Aachen and Supercity.
Once the library is built and the horses connected in Supercity, we can build a chariot to send through Mansa's lands (via roads).
Unless I am misunderstanding the trading screen, I don't think Mansa wants our pigs.
Soving problems for you is not my job. Quite the contrary, actually.
Anyhow, can you imagine the moaning and gnashing of teeth if Mansa voluntarily vassaled to some teams (like he often does) but not to others? So you see... I'm solving problems for me, but not for you.
Trystero
Deity
Sorry for the delay guys - I was going to test some micro, but I had problems trying to update the test save. (I couldn't get Phantastic to grow to size 3 on the right turn.)
I will have to fool with this some more tomorrow and hopefully have a more formal PPP put together this weekend after some testing.
I will have to fool with this some more tomorrow and hopefully have a more formal PPP put together this weekend after some testing.
ChrisShaffer
Board gamer
I will try to update my test save this afternoon. Been super busy.
Trystero
Deity
No worries - me too. Thanks Chris!
ChrisShaffer
Board gamer
OK, I have found the problem that made it hard for Trystero to get Aachen to grow on the correct turn. Here's Aachen in the real game:
And here is Aachen in the text game:
I count 14 food in the test game, but for some reason, the game is only granting 13 food. Maybe some oddity with a worldbuilder game? Anyone have any idea what's going wrong in the test game?
Spoiler :
And here is Aachen in the text game:
Spoiler :
I count 14 food in the test game, but for some reason, the game is only granting 13 food. Maybe some oddity with a worldbuilder game? Anyone have any idea what's going wrong in the test game?
Trystero
Deity
It was actually Phantastic I couldn't get to grow on the right turn (according to the Neil-Pigs micro plan). I assume neilmeister started with your t32 save, but I could be wrong.
Edit: Yeah, I count 14 food too. And no difference in health. That is weird.
Edit: Yeah, I count 14 food too. And no difference in health. That is weird.
ChrisShaffer
Board gamer
I was able to fix it by tinkering around in worldbuilder. It apparently did some recalculation after I added/removed bonus tiles.
ChrisShaffer
Board gamer
Oh, I see. I just got to that turn. On turn 34, he starts using the shared bananas which increased food production in Phantastic.
Trystero
Deity
Yeah - I will try it again tonight. I have been doing tons of data entry at work this week, and it could be that my brain was just fried.
Did you fix the t32 save just by going into WB and adding/removing tile bonuses? Could you post the updated save?
Did you fix the t32 save just by going into WB and adding/removing tile bonuses? Could you post the updated save?
ChrisShaffer
Board gamer
I'm almost done bringing the save up to 250 BC, will post that soon.
SteelHorse
Deity
Soving problems for you is not my job. Quite the contrary, actually.
Anyhow, can you imagine the moaning and gnashing of teeth if Mansa voluntarily vassaled to some teams (like he often does) but not to others? So you see... I'm solving problems for me, but not for you.
So we figured that one out. Well done kcd!
Now just tell us if the WB will be able sail south of the island
SteelHorse
Deity
Yes - 1N Iron is the desired location.
Aren't pigs the ones with the long ivory tusks?
ChrisShaffer
Board gamer
OK, here's the updated test save.
It's nearly but not completely perfect. I guessed when and where Mansa's third city was founded. Buddhism spread in Phantastic one turn early. But it should be pretty darn close.
It's nearly but not completely perfect. I guessed when and where Mansa's third city was founded. Buddhism spread in Phantastic one turn early. But it should be pretty darn close.
ChrisShaffer
Board gamer
I also like 1N of iron.
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