Hrmm, T98 now. Last beg T52 for 70 If we begged right now we could get (50+98)*2*power rating(0.95?)/2= 140.6 Subtract the 70 we already begged and it would be 70 If we played it safe, I am confident we could beg for 60 and get it. Begging Mechanics are Here for those who want to check the math. If we shared 8 border tiles with Mansa, we could get more like 300 I think with the tripling, but I don't see that happening any time this game. If Mansa was in financial trouble, it would be divide by 3 not 2. But that won't be happening this game either Do we really need to beg? I think trading Gunpowder for Philo will get us all of Mansa's gold. I think we should save it for later since our military power will be going up again when Heroic Epic starts churning out units.