Ah, can't really test it. We gave up updating the test game.
True, we do have most universities, especially the all-important capital done in 2 turns.
Probably forget Construction 1 turn sooner ya.
SGOTM 18 - Kakumeika
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Ah, can't really test it. We gave up updating the test game.
True, we do have most universities, especially the all-important capital done in 2 turns.
Probably forget Construction 1 turn sooner ya.
mabraham
Deity
OK, I like WastinTime's new plan, for the given reasons plus Pigs gets to build cats (for which I can try to prepare), and our workers get to move around better from bridges.
mabraham
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Since we are now depending on a reactionary strategy, I will examine the EP position to see if there might be cause for a turn on 10%.
mabraham
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... and beg Mansa for 70
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great
mabraham
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Polled recent EP levels:
Mansa is only adding 1EP on us per turn, so we are fine for that for the moment.
In Oporto, the sabotage production went up by ~110 per turn t98-100, so 1254/110 is approximately 11 turns to produce 170 hammers, so another 11 turns is approximately 340 hammers, which is a long way short of the 450 for MoM and Oporto has no BFC chops. So I think there is no threat of losing MoM if we take fail gold in Washington right now, and that we should be prepared for Joao to have a useful chunk of gold the turn after we finish MoM.
Mansa is only adding 1EP on us per turn, so we are fine for that for the moment.
In Oporto, the sabotage production went up by ~110 per turn t98-100, so 1254/110 is approximately 11 turns to produce 170 hammers, so another 11 turns is approximately 340 hammers, which is a long way short of the 450 for MoM and Oporto has no BFC chops. So I think there is no threat of losing MoM if we take fail gold in Washington right now, and that we should be prepared for Joao to have a useful chunk of gold the turn after we finish MoM.
mabraham
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Starting play again, will update this post.
T100
Scout chariot finds joao settling party 5w of furry, no big deal.
Mansa gave us 70 gold in beg
T101
Joao settles Braga 5w of furry
Gandhi has 50 gold for beg?
Toynbee says most advanced civs are us, Mansa, gm, Gandhi, j, Dr evil, gk
Mansa pops a gsci
Refinanced Mansa pig supply for an extra buck
Besh down to size three, but all quiet
Mansa DR in 7
T102
Gandhi gartist - he researched music
Joao gsci
Dr e 50 gold
WastinTime was right about capitalist micro, but oxford is on schedule
Mansa DR in 5
All quiet
T103
Gandhi went back to Hindu :-(
GK archer no longer camped on city site, but he did not move n, nw, w or sw. ?? Hope that's a settling party forming, but the stopping criterion is actually seeing it move
Joao no longer wants HBR, so he is presumably teching it
EP rate estimates are still valid
Mansa DR in 4
Joao scouting units report only the sounds of crickets...
T104
GK settling party with two archers on grass 2s1e of Besh, which will trigger a stop. I will do minor scouting, clean up, and declare my set over.
T100
Scout chariot finds joao settling party 5w of furry, no big deal.
Mansa gave us 70 gold in beg
T101
Joao settles Braga 5w of furry
Gandhi has 50 gold for beg?
Toynbee says most advanced civs are us, Mansa, gm, Gandhi, j, Dr evil, gk
Mansa pops a gsci
Refinanced Mansa pig supply for an extra buck
Besh down to size three, but all quiet
Mansa DR in 7
T102
Gandhi gartist - he researched music
Joao gsci
Dr e 50 gold
WastinTime was right about capitalist micro, but oxford is on schedule
Mansa DR in 5
All quiet
T103
Gandhi went back to Hindu :-(
GK archer no longer camped on city site, but he did not move n, nw, w or sw. ?? Hope that's a settling party forming, but the stopping criterion is actually seeing it move
Joao no longer wants HBR, so he is presumably teching it
EP rate estimates are still valid
Mansa DR in 4
Joao scouting units report only the sounds of crickets...
T104
GK settling party with two archers on grass 2s1e of Besh, which will trigger a stop. I will do minor scouting, clean up, and declare my set over.
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I don't like researching 100% prior to the competion of Oxford University, but considering that our six Universities are complete and our capital is rather low commerce anyway, the plan seems passable. It still isn't right that we are researching two technologies (Construction and Machinery) that the AIs should be researching for us.
It may be better to continue our current plan to complete Gunpowder. At least we would be able to build early Musketmen. We could then trade Gunpowder for Philosophy and research Nationalism while waiting for Mansa Musa to complete Construction, Machinery and Engineering. However, it will be difficult to trade for these due to the dependecies between them. We may need to get Construction from Gandhi or Joao II or steal Construction from Joao II. Stealing Engineering or Machinery from Mansa Musa might be a good option if we prepare for such a steal with a Trojan city, sufficient espionage and a few Spies.
Getting the timing right for technology trades and researching technologies the AI should be resesrching for us just seems wrong. With the option to steal a few techonologies from Mansa Musa and maybe Construction from Joao II via some espionage slider may give us enough flexibility to overcome Mansa Musa's often bad research choices.
An Alternative without using Espionage:
Sun Tzu Wu
It may be better to continue our current plan to complete Gunpowder. At least we would be able to build early Musketmen. We could then trade Gunpowder for Philosophy and research Nationalism while waiting for Mansa Musa to complete Construction, Machinery and Engineering. However, it will be difficult to trade for these due to the dependecies between them. We may need to get Construction from Gandhi or Joao II or steal Construction from Joao II. Stealing Engineering or Machinery from Mansa Musa might be a good option if we prepare for such a steal with a Trojan city, sufficient espionage and a few Spies.
Getting the timing right for technology trades and researching technologies the AI should be resesrching for us just seems wrong. With the option to steal a few techonologies from Mansa Musa and maybe Construction from Joao II via some espionage slider may give us enough flexibility to overcome Mansa Musa's often bad research choices.
An Alternative without using Espionage:
- Research Construction and get back on track by completing Gunpowder
- Trade Philosophy for Gunpowder
- Research Nationalism at 00% until Mansa Musa chooses his next technology
- If Mansa Musa picks Machinery, we continue Nationalism at 100% research
- If Mansa Musa picks Nationalism, we research Machinery and Engineering
- Trade for what we are missing from Machinery, Engineering and Nationalism, bulbing Printing Press when Machinery is acquired for further trade options
- Bulb Chemistry and research Guilds, Banking and Steel
- Hopefully, Mansa Musa researches Constitution, Economics and Corporat
- Trade Constitution for Chemistry + Guilds
- Trade something for Banking when we want MM to research Economics
- Trade Corporation + something for Steel
- MM researches Scientific Method + Physics or maybe Steam Power + Railroad
- We research the other research path, possibly bulbing part of Physics.
Sun Tzu Wu
As long as we are able to trade those techs and get a good deal (like we should with Philo), then it feels right. Getting Constr + Machinery for MM will allow him to get us something else earlier. In this case, the risk is MM starting A.Wat and not trading Philo. But that risk is the same if we go for GunP.
In the general sense, you're right. In a normal game, we'd have several trading partners to get Machinery, etc. from, but this particular game is just about managing MM.
GK Archer.
He may have moved to join the settler! Get ready to attack!
He may have moved to join the settler! Get ready to attack!
mabraham
Deity
Units are poised, but there's nothing to do until we choose to DOW, which we surely will not do until we see movement out of the capital? I could move woodsman2 Enslaver round, but I do not really see it gains anything.
Just carry on. You've got it under control. I was just getting excited.
I wasn't attempting to offer advice.
Great Job mabraham. Way to set a nice pace. Too bad we hit a stopping condition or we coulda got a couple more turns outta ya.mabraham
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mabraham
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Notes for next player:
There's some map comments about the culture percentage on interesting tiles around Besh, they're now pretty much irrelevant.
Washington has a scheduled HA whip noted for t107
Pigs has a chop coming in, but that turn we should not work all the mines, unless we want to generate overflow gold, because the multiplier is too high.
Clams whipped an Org lighthouse, since that's how you should roll. Am planning a two-pop whip of the granary, which I thought slightly better than working the Phill
Buddhist missionary scouting centre of Joao, chariot scouting for mansa's stack, new horse archer scouting south side of Joao
Spears are positioned to avoid GK having easy city attacks, maybe we want to start an archer in Ning.
WheatIron has a courthouse for lack of obvious alternatives at the time - the lack of river tiles suggest this city should be a unit pump, not a cottage site. Turfan is also nearly done on its courthouse.
NEpic is nearly done - expect fail gold from Washington then. Expect fail gold from Turfan when MoM completes ~T111
Workers are positioned mostly away from vulnerable parts of the GK front.
Good luck!
There's some map comments about the culture percentage on interesting tiles around Besh, they're now pretty much irrelevant.
Washington has a scheduled HA whip noted for t107
Pigs has a chop coming in, but that turn we should not work all the mines, unless we want to generate overflow gold, because the multiplier is too high.
Clams whipped an Org lighthouse, since that's how you should roll. Am planning a two-pop whip of the granary, which I thought slightly better than working the Phill
Buddhist missionary scouting centre of Joao, chariot scouting for mansa's stack, new horse archer scouting south side of Joao
Spears are positioned to avoid GK having easy city attacks, maybe we want to start an archer in Ning.
WheatIron has a courthouse for lack of obvious alternatives at the time - the lack of river tiles suggest this city should be a unit pump, not a cottage site. Turfan is also nearly done on its courthouse.
NEpic is nearly done - expect fail gold from Washington then. Expect fail gold from Turfan when MoM completes ~T111
Workers are positioned mostly away from vulnerable parts of the GK front.
Good luck!
mabraham
Deity
Thanks all for the help during my turn set - it's a pleasure to work with you, as always!
I don't think we can attack this turn. The settler will just retreat.
Let's get our stack over more East this turn (and add the Washington HA) so it can get into position to attack either city T105. If the new city has 2 archers, we will want to kill one of them.
Get a team on that Ivory! Joao, you're next!
Grand Strategy/next Turnset goal: (still relatively on track): 20 cities by 1AD! It can be done!
Get a team on that Ivory! Joao, you're next!
Grand Strategy/next Turnset goal: (still relatively on track): 20 cities by 1AD! It can be done!
This should be right up your alley Kait.
20 cities please.
20 cities please.
