SGOTM 19 - Xteam

leif erikson · May 2, 2014

From the In-Game Log, Part 1:

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leif erikson · May 2, 2014

In-Game Log Part 2:

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In-Game Log Part 3:

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leif erikson · May 2, 2014

Roster:
The-Hawk - UP
Cactus Pete - On Deck
Htadus
leif
Frederiksberg
Mad Professor
fishystick

Not sure who has time, but please let us know how you are all faring.
Due date is 7 May at mid-night Central US time, or thereabouts. :eek:

Cactus Pete · May 2, 2014

Never overestimate the AI.

Can't download the save from central in the thread.

leif erikson · May 2, 2014

Cactus Pete said:
Never overestimate the AI.

Can't download the save from central in the thread.

Should be able to now, sorry about that. :blush:

Just when I thought the AI was going to get me, they pulled up right next to our stack. :shake:

What a gift!

Htadus · May 2, 2014

Don't complain, if (last night when I was racing to finish the GOTM101) Alexander had played like a human, I would have lost my culture attempt with 2 turns to go. So thank you Clueless AI.

BTW, I have an embarrassing confession. I was showing my son the Map maker trickery wrt the Barb's getting a corporation for this SG. He said that I showed it to him several months ago on the corporation screen and I supposedly said "this is weird huh? and "that can not be". I can not believe I did not say something about it. Weird.

Anyways, Yes you building too many trebs. Also lets do some whipping with unhappy faces.

leif erikson · May 2, 2014

Htadus said:
Don't complain, if (last night when I was racing to finish the GOTM101) Alexander had played like a human, I would have lost my culture attempt with 2 turns to go. So thank you Clueless AI.

Htadus said:
BTW, I have an embarrassing confession. I was showing my son the Map maker trickery wrt the Barb's getting a corporation for this SG. He said that I showed it to him several months ago on the corporation screen and I supposedly said "this is weird huh? and "that can not be". I can not believe I did not say something about it. Weird.

No problem Brother, we absolve you of your sin. :mischief:

Htadus said:
Anyways, Yes you building too many trebs. Also lets do some whipping with unhappy faces.

I would be cautious of whipping too much, we may need that pop to rush Execs when the time comes, and it will be soon...

Hope it doesn't take too long for GoToJail to come out of resistance. :please:

Htadus · May 2, 2014

I am going to see if I can generate a corps spread plan.

From what Hawk said, the number of pop needed to whip a exec is 4. So we need to spread to cities with 12 pop first. That way that city can whip 2 execs in 4 turns. So as long as we are maintaining cities at size 8 we can continue the spread.

leif erikson · May 2, 2014

Please do not forget travel time...

Cactus Pete · May 2, 2014

"I can not believe I did not say something about it." Well, if you had, I probably wouldn't have been able to understand it, and it's unclear to me what we might have done very differently. Anyway, no problem.

How about moving our GS to Galley City to build an academy and gain 4 culture per turn?

I'm slow. Why did we build a fort west of Galley City?

I have some time tomorrow before 6 PM. We haven't heard from Hawk. I could pursue the war for a few turns. Are there things I could mess up?

The-Hawk · May 2, 2014

Back from Dallas... but now I have an unplanned trip to Nashville next week. I will catch up tomorrow and try to help with the planning, but I won't be able to play a turnset. Sorry

Cactus Pete · May 2, 2014

I will take it, then.

Not sure what I can provide in terms of a plan -- just continue against HC and be prepared to move on to Alex.

Thinking he might DOW on us after Asoka is gone. If can, probably wise to bribe him to join in on our side. Will also look at pillaging roads in former Asoka territory to slow possible re-deployment of Alex's units against us.

Other than getting coal mines up and running (BTW, do they also have to be roaded?), what else is of immediate importance? Can't do anything with Corp execs until GtJ is out of anarchy, right?

Are any more forts needed? I just don't get that.

Htadus · May 2, 2014

leif erikson said:
Please do not forget travel time...

How can I now? :mischief:

I did some testing and learned that,

It will cost us 675g or 5 pop whip to build a Exec in the first turn.
It drop to nearly 400g or 3 pop on 2nd turn.
It cost 50g to spread the corp.

We need to collect 1350g by the time Goto Jail come out of anarchy.

We should raze all but 3 more cities.
The Incan NW city is a priority capture since we need it to spread its culture to cover the Coal on the single tile island and we need to build a fort.
We need a galley built in the Spain to get workers to build a fort on the coal.

I will come up with a better corps plan than what I have right now by morning.

@CP,
Had I said something, we would have captured the barb city a while back. That hurts.

Coal need to be connected to the network, so yes for roads if not connected by water/rivers. The 2 islands need both forts and roads.

leif erikson · May 2, 2014

If the coal is on an island, don't we have to build a city there? :confused:

Correct, GoToJail must be out of anarchy before we can build/rush corporate execs.

edit - and need to take GoToJail as soon as possible!

Cactus Pete · May 3, 2014

leif erikson said:
If the coal is on an island, don't we have to build a city there? I thought so too, and also that it might be quicker. Htadus, please clarify what/where you're referring to here: " The 2 islands need both forts and roads."

Correct, GoToJail must be out of anarchy before we can build/rush corporate execs. I will tentatively try to play until this happens and then pause.

edit - and need to take GoToJail as soon as possible!

Understood.

Still don't understand the need for more forts.

leif erikson · May 3, 2014

Cactus Pete said:
Still don't understand the need for more forts.

The Ironclad can blockade the trade routes to GoToJail. As the trade route can over ice tiles as if they were sea tiles, the idea, as I understand it, is to build forts on either side of the ice tile south of the mountain, and road them so we use the ice tile as a highway to keep trade routes with GoToJail. That is why Htadus recommends we get Galley City's culture up, to cover those tiles with out culture borders.

As GoToJail has Coal, this might be less important, but you cannot build Aluminum Co. Execs until GoToJail has coal in its trade network, either by getting it from the main land or by expanding its border and getting it from the source within its BFC.

Cactus Pete · May 3, 2014

leif erikson said:
As GoToJail has Coal, this might be less important, but you cannot build Aluminum Co. Execs until GoToJail has coal in its trade network, either by getting it from the main land or by expanding its border and getting it from the source within its BFC.

By that logic, the western fort will connect Galley City to Florence, and the latest eastern fort is to insure that GtJ has coal (and all our other resources). Think the river will take care of that. Unless I read something pointed here soon, I'm going to put those workers to work elsewhere.

Not going to use GS in Galley City, then, but perhaps in Florence. Any alternative suggestions as to where the culture from an academy will be needed?

Still unsure what to do about coal on island near Madrid. Will culture, plus fort, plus road work, or do we have to found a city there? Similarly, do we have to raze Florence and build a city (actually 2 cities, second to build a galley to get a settler to the coal) on the coal or not?

Playing, but slowly, and will check back here regularly.

leif erikson · May 3, 2014

What Htadus says is probably correct, but for me, Settlers are cheap and we have to build galleys to get workers there, so I would just settle on those coal islands and be done with it. The Galley holds two units, a Settler and an Exec...

Shouldn't have to worry about maintenance as we do it at the last moment, 2 turns from victory.

Think we can settle within 2 tiles of Florence because the water break up the 3-tiles limit between cities.

That reminds me, Htadus, when scheduling, should probably work in some extra Execs in case some of them fail to spread the corporation. :rolleyes:

edit - Almost forgot the obvious, as you wind down unit building, should start producing wealth.

Cactus Pete · May 3, 2014

Game froze on me. Had to use Task Manager to get out of it.

Will go back to beginning of partially played turn (last save) and try to replay, but, unfortunately there was some fighting, which went well. May not on re-play.

Will save more often, but will quit and hand over if this happens again.

Before I try to replay, here is an update:

T180:
Spot 6 cats in Prague so empty Anjar of units to tempt them out
Micro-manage cities

IBT: All the cats from Prague and 6 other units move south toward Anjar (never overestimate the AI)

T181:
Kill all cats and 4 of the accompanying units, with loss of 1 cuir
Advance units and return MP to Anjar

IBT:
HC's units retreat to Aachen
AP vote to stop war -- Never!

T182: Lose knight razing Pisa, and soon thereafter game freezes . . .

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