Everyone likes the Aesthetics+Math+55 for Metal Casting trade If we are trading away Aesthetics to Mansa, then how about trading Louis Aesthetics for his 80 after the Mansa trade? Louis only knows 3AI; Mansa,Mao,and Isabella. Maybe he'd build Parthenon for us. The only way we are gonna see Mansa's tech is to put 10% slider for 1 turn. I started the turnset T88 4 behind Mansa and I ended it on T94 4 behind Mansa. He kept putting just enough espionage spending to foil us looking at his research. I even tried viewing his tech between turns, but I never saw the brief flicker. I'll think about the arctic fish city/trireme question. @Duckweed - I can do the trade and stuff and press next turn, but I want to pass play to the next team member starting Turn 95.