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Thanks NZ
CP;
What's the City maintenance formula?????
I just checked this; and 002 ;
003 informs of the distance to palace cost.
just tried to open this guide, yet couldn't, due to "lack of core adobe dll"
feedback will be welcome
zbgayumn
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Tried playing the test game to the plan. A couple things became apparent:
1. Building more units & cities slows down research, need to de-emphasize Settlers a little bit.
2. Can also move Galley back in the build order, since island city should be founded around the same time we get Currency
3. I forgot to insert a turn of Anarchy
4. Ombu needs a Library early, while WPB probably doesn't need one at all (or at least not this turnset)
I'll recalibrate the plan and post again soon. (how soon depends on how much sleep I actually get)
1. Building more units & cities slows down research, need to de-emphasize Settlers a little bit.
2. Can also move Galley back in the build order, since island city should be founded around the same time we get Currency
3. I forgot to insert a turn of Anarchy
4. Ombu needs a Library early, while WPB probably doesn't need one at all (or at least not this turnset)
I'll recalibrate the plan and post again soon. (how soon depends on how much sleep I actually get)
Concur.
Yep that settler not being build may mean extra 3 DS or a library. If we eventually run CSystem, then a couple of hammer cities will be needed. As WPB is our best fit till now, a library will be of little to no use there.
Also seems that island vs jungle pig cities will be quite a tough decision.
I incline for island, as we can send 2 wkbts to get an extra 4 coins from there,.contrary to jungle pig site, where food would be much meagre.
If there is a truly good city site off our western coast (or to the north), suspect it will be better long term to settle it ASAP, despite immediate maintenance costs.
zbgayumn
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I've made some adjustments and I feel pretty good about this now. I've actually planned out into the late-T90's, but I think I'll play to T88 or until Alpha becomes available, whichever is first, then reassess and adjust the plan for the next 10 or so turns.
PPP
T77 to T88
Research
City Builds
Worker Actions
Unit Actions
North WB - Keep moving north and west as possible
Exploring warrior - Keep moving east and south to reach Germany, and circle back after reaching border
1st WB from WPB - Explore western island
2nd WB from WPB - Net clams
1st WB from Ombu - Net 2nd fish
2nd WB from Ombu - Net 3rd fish
1st Settler - found Pig/Clam city
2nd Settler - get on galley (destination TBD)
Scout - move NE to reveal coast in Persia (open TR), then head South
New Warriors/DSs - get garrison of 2 in Oak, 3 in Pine, 3 in Ombu
Diplomacy
OB with Germany
Demands - stop and ask team
Focus EPs on Darius as best tech trader
Stop if Alpha becomes available and report to team on trading options
P.S. fractals - the spreadsheet I used is attached if you want to use it later
PPP
T77 to T88
Research
City Builds
Worker Actions
Unit Actions
North WB - Keep moving north and west as possible
Exploring warrior - Keep moving east and south to reach Germany, and circle back after reaching border
1st WB from WPB - Explore western island
2nd WB from WPB - Net clams
1st WB from Ombu - Net 2nd fish
2nd WB from Ombu - Net 3rd fish
1st Settler - found Pig/Clam city
2nd Settler - get on galley (destination TBD)
Scout - move NE to reveal coast in Persia (open TR), then head South
New Warriors/DSs - get garrison of 2 in Oak, 3 in Pine, 3 in Ombu
Diplomacy
OB with Germany
Demands - stop and ask team
Focus EPs on Darius as best tech trader
Stop if Alpha becomes available and report to team on trading options
P.S. fractals - the spreadsheet I used is attached if you want to use it later
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zbgayumn
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In the test game, Joao will build a city on the pig/clam site if we don't claim it. I'm not sure if Darius will try to do that in the real game, but I will keep an eye on any units crossing the desert. An island city really is better; I actually got a net increase in gold when I founded it in the test game (only +1, but that jumps to +6 or more when we get Currency).
What does everyone think about the possibility of losing the pig/clam site?
Let Darius have it? Just keep a watch for a Settler crossing the desert?
The other problem is that we can't really build a galley in time for that first Settler. Maybe I could reconfigure things to make that work. It wouldn't be easy.
Like the plan, except for the city settlement issue that you raise. If I read your spreadsheet correctly, we will have a wkbt from WPB exploring west for 6 or 7 seven turns before you are scheduling the whipping of a settler. If there turns out to be a good city site to the west (or to the north), how about delaying the settler whip until there's a timely galley available to transport him west (or north). So, suggest you look to see if a galley can be built a little sooner as an option contingent on finding a good off-continent city site.
Letting Darius settle the pig site doesn't seem a particularly undesirable outcome. We will have to take his cities sooner or later, and he can build a road from there to Persia for us, but we do risk his chopping useful trees.
If you're comfortable with pausing just before you whip the settler, then green here.
Letting Darius settle the pig site doesn't seem a particularly undesirable outcome. We will have to take his cities sooner or later, and he can build a road from there to Persia for us, but we do risk his chopping useful trees.
If you're comfortable with pausing just before you whip the settler, then green here.
The problem.we have with letting that site unsettled may be that darius may continue to have a really high power spike, plus make it much harder for us to then backstab him if he takes that site while on the medieval age and we try to attack him before cannons. So if we don't settle it we may have to schedule taking it when we get to cannons, plus we would lose the change to.blow a.devastating hit to the persians by taking their capital, plus border friction anger from the AI toward us, plus it's power spike. I feel like we should settle it for strategic reasons, as it will easily allow us to directly attack Persepolis and criple darius when we get to steel.
That's not considering that it may chop a couple forests.
2.- every city we settle in this turnset will have to be focussed quite heavily in getting as much coins as possible in the lowest amount of time in order to been able to research our way to cannons as fast as it's possible to us.
Except for that 2 issues, green
Great work ZB.
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We may well want to capture Persepolis once we have cats, so backstabbing point well taken. Further reason to pause for discussion before whipping settler.
Agree completly
¿¿¿Each cat can take 2points of those 50% points ??? Just to be sure how many cats we would need.
Or we may only need a couple of cats to directly attack those archers(2-3) and then ~4 DS to take the city???
Some units to defend it will be needed. So a couple of archers should be sended with the backstabbing force.
In case we conquer persepolis,
how could we use it's horses???
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Agree
zbgayumn
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Ok, sounds good. I'll stop before the Settler whip on T88 so we can review settling locations. If it becomes critical, we could whip the galley in WPB as early as T89. I just hate to whip WPB because it's a slow grower.
I'll go ahead and get started.
I'll go ahead and get started.
just was going to tell you that as WPB can grow slowly to get 15 base hammers/T( Wkbt/2T or +1
garrison /2-3 Ts until Rifles, please don't whip that city.:obviously agree with you zbgayumm.
zbgayumn
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Turnset Report T77-T88
Here's the uploaded save.
Some points of interest:
I'll do more screenshots in a second post. That's where we can really get into the placement of our next city.
Buffy Log:
CFC Log:
Here's the uploaded save.
Some points of interest:
- Darius founded Confucianism right away on T78. On T88 he had a missionary spread it to Pine.
- We ran out of land to the east. Germany is on a separate landmass.
- One additional island to the north, but we've run out of coast in that direction
- Island to the west contains a barb city and some subpar looking land
- No sign yet that Darius is settling in our direction
I'll do more screenshots in a second post. That's where we can really get into the placement of our next city.
Buffy Log:
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CFC Log:
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zbgayumn
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All right, here we go with city sites:
Option #1: Pig/Clam
Option #2: Mountain Island
Option #3: Elephant/Fish (two possible locations)
Option #4: Dye City
Option #5: Western Island (East End)
Option #6: Western Island (West End)
Looking at what's out there, I see #5 and #6 as unimpressive. We'll probably want to settle there eventually, but not now. Similarly, #2 is just a filler city. #4 looks nice and juicy, but we'll need both IW and Calendar to take advantage of it.
So that leaves the pig/clam site and elephant/fish site.
We're already getting 2
trade routes in every city thanks to trade with Darius, so the bonus of the island city is pretty small until Currency. I do think the island city will get a faster start because our exploring WB will be available to net one fish. Option #1 requires a border pop to get the clam and IW to get the pig.
What's your take on it?
Option #1: Pig/Clam
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Option #2: Mountain Island
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Option #3: Elephant/Fish (two possible locations)
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Option #4: Dye City
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Option #5: Western Island (East End)
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Option #6: Western Island (West End)
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Looking at what's out there, I see #5 and #6 as unimpressive. We'll probably want to settle there eventually, but not now. Similarly, #2 is just a filler city. #4 looks nice and juicy, but we'll need both IW and Calendar to take advantage of it.
So that leaves the pig/clam site and elephant/fish site.
We're already getting 2
trade routes in every city thanks to trade with Darius, so the bonus of the island city is pretty small until Currency. I do think the island city will get a faster start because our exploring WB will be available to net one fish. Option #1 requires a border pop to get the clam and IW to get the pig. What's your take on it?
Some quick observations:
We can trade for Persian horses
Workers to mine grass hill in western Ombu
Short odds now that Astro won't be needed
Knowledge of IW and Alpha desperately needed
Tough map
If wkbt#4 can continue west, it should to creat trade route with Germany and obtain circumnavigation.
If wkbt#4 doesn't spot land further west (and should sail 2 tiles south if necessary to be sure), then it needs to scout southern coast of western island.
Western island may have a decent city site that doesn't need iron to develop, depending on possible resources hidden by dark tiles.
Barb city could conceivably be worth having.
Not sure a settler is worth having right now.
We can trade for Persian horses
Workers to mine grass hill in western Ombu
Short odds now that Astro won't be needed
Knowledge of IW and Alpha desperately needed
Tough map
If wkbt#4 can continue west, it should to creat trade route with Germany and obtain circumnavigation.
If wkbt#4 doesn't spot land further west (and should sail 2 tiles south if necessary to be sure), then it needs to scout southern coast of western island.
Western island may have a decent city site that doesn't need iron to develop, depending on possible resources hidden by dark tiles.
Barb city could conceivably be worth having.
Not sure a settler is worth having right now.
zbgayumn
Emperor
I noticed the horse trade had become available. Chariots wouldn't do us much good though, so we'd have to go for HBR if we wanted to do something with them. Still, we'll have to see what he'll take in trade. Two health resources wouldn't be bad.
Worker 2 is on his way to that hill
Agreed, we will likely need Astro. Need Optics fairly soon so we can trade techs with more civs.
Do you want Alpha badly enough to research it? Looks like it would take about 9 turns. We could also bulb it after Math is finished, which would be a few turns sooner. I hate to use a bulb on that, though.
Agreed on WB#4. I'm not anticipating a part further west, but we'll check it out.
I could be convinced to switch Pine back to Barracks and let it grow for 4-5 turns. I want to keep the 2-pop whip available on the Settler, though.
Agree, especially on that about alfa. Feel like the IA is going to get anyway. Then we could just trade for the tech we will need
Makes sense.
