zbgayumn
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Meeting was rescheduled, so I could start tonight.
Pete - I usually can get the kid in bed and start looking at Civ by 7:45 Central.
[BTS] SGOTM 24 Xteam
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Meeting was rescheduled, so I could start tonight.
Pete - I usually can get the kid in bed and start looking at Civ by 7:45 Central.
Noble Zarkon
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The more I think about it the more I like this path - 12 strength 2 movement units - if we build a Barracks and Stable in St. Pete's we can build 15 exp Cuirs straight up (same in Oak where we already have Barracks and Stable).
Note that you also often, like this morning, check in and post once in the morning. Is that reliable?
NZ has moved us along nicely. Looked at the save . . . some thoughts:
If we get Germany down to one city, would we be able to extort SCMethod from him? (Know we could in Vanilla, but seems much more difficult in BtS). If so, we could then go back in 10 turns and eliminate his last city. Would we need to research part of it in order to extort successfully?
If I understand the 2 possible plans for getting into Japan correctly, the one involving settling a city and building one fort seems much quicker, as the alternative requires taking two cities (not one), waiting for the last one taken to come out of anarchy, and then whipping ships. Also, we have a city in place for staging our units and only one direction for a counter attack to come from (and we could probably get the roads cut before a stack arrives).
As far as I know, we have not taken advantage of our long friendship with Darius and our shorter ones with Bis, Asoka, and G to solicit funds or techs. Would like to get confirmation of our lack of begging. Is a tech as expensive as ScM or Nationalism possible to get in this way in BtS?
Japanese Samurai will be effective against our maces, so we may not want to build any more of them.
It's a very close call, but would slightly prefer grens to curs because there are no units that have an edge against grens, they receive defensive bonuses, and we will be limited in speed of advance by our siege units. [Edit: Cross posted with NZ. Did not realize we had a stable in Oak. That might tip the balance to curs. Don't think we have time to build all that infrastructure in St. Pete, though.]
If we do decide to get Nationalism and curs, then we might consider researching it for a turn at 100% in order to be able to trade PP for it.
Attack on Germany should probably start in the south and move north, since we will then be sailing further north to attack G.
Don't want to give Gunpowder to G, as that would allow him easier access to Rifles (which would not be a great problem with grens but would be with curs).
Next GGeneral used to upgrade a unit and add experience points to others.
NZ, how do you get 15 experience curs, and why is our missionary sailing away from India rather than scouting G's unit deployment?
I could play in 4 hours (for about 3 hours) and hand off to ZB at around 8Pm Central time if that's needed or desired.
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Noble Zarkon
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Confirmed, I thought about it a couple of times, will see if I can find the BtS analysis someone wrote that might help see what we can get.
EDIT: Found it - seems like a big tech won't be an option.
Certainly if we're taking siege with us and the Trebs have been pretty effective then Grenadiers is the right call. Good point re Samurai.
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Noble Zarkon
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The missionary is heading to check out the layout North of Toku, let's not go to war unless we absolutely have to. Once the Spy is finished in Germany he can move to India (or whip another one from Vladivostok if you want to scout sooner).
Sorry 15 exp Cuirs will be in St. Pete's only with a Barracks, Stable, 2 x GG, Vassalage and Theocracy. If we're going Grens then a Barracks there will give us Grens ready with 3 promotions.
Green from me, we have a lot of turns to play in the next week.
zbgayumn
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Go ahead and get started this afternoon. I can post from my phone sometimes if I'm not swamped at work. Can't do turn set reports or anything like that, but I can provide short comments/responses.
Helpful stuff, NZ . . . Thanks.
Will be playing soon.
Will be playing soon.
Very sorry. RL intervened just after I got started. Had to stop. Save is below. Did the following:
Traded corn to Darius for 4gpt
Traded Lib to Bis for 170 gold and his map (now both horses are pastured)
Changed builds in many cities (can be changed back, except for whip of lths in Mangrove). Most changes with the intention of whipping as soon as appropriate for a unit more needed than another mace, with overflow to help complete mace. Also, now building culture in a couple of new cities to get expansion. Need to consider gifting the city in some cases.
Noted MPs residing in Russian cities where there is little threat, so activated them to be moved to eventually become part of German invasion.
BTW, we could use a pike.
Intending to pass on Nationalism and go for grens, but ZB can change that, as nothing of consequence has been done along that line.
Other notable intention was to build ScM for a turn and then trade Chem for it and whatever gold is also required to Asoka. That will delay our needed military tech, but just seemed too useful a trade to pass up.
Save: http://gotm.civfanatics.net/download.php?file=Xteam_SG023_AD0740_02.CivBeyondSwordSave
Traded corn to Darius for 4gpt
Traded Lib to Bis for 170 gold and his map (now both horses are pastured)
Changed builds in many cities (can be changed back, except for whip of lths in Mangrove). Most changes with the intention of whipping as soon as appropriate for a unit more needed than another mace, with overflow to help complete mace. Also, now building culture in a couple of new cities to get expansion. Need to consider gifting the city in some cases.
Noted MPs residing in Russian cities where there is little threat, so activated them to be moved to eventually become part of German invasion.
BTW, we could use a pike.
Intending to pass on Nationalism and go for grens, but ZB can change that, as nothing of consequence has been done along that line.
Other notable intention was to build ScM for a turn and then trade Chem for it and whatever gold is also required to Asoka. That will delay our needed military tech, but just seemed too useful a trade to pass up.
Save: http://gotm.civfanatics.net/download.php?file=Xteam_SG023_AD0740_02.CivBeyondSwordSave
ZB, are you good to go? Taken care of my responsibilities on the home front and can consult if needed this evening or can play if you can't.
zbgayumn
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I should be good. Thanks for the thoughts on trades. I do think it's critical to get Sci Meth so we can start building preserves.
I'll check back in here in a bit.
zbgayumn
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On T200 at the moment. Got Sci Meth from Asoka. Stalin is dead.
Struggling with negative cash flow. We'll start getting conquest gold again soon, but distance maintenance is destroying us.
Meanwhile, workers are converging on the homeland to build preserves.
On we go...
Struggling with negative cash flow. We'll start getting conquest gold again soon, but distance maintenance is destroying us.
Meanwhile, workers are converging on the homeland to build preserves.
On we go...
Gift cities if you have to but carry on.
zbgayumn
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Ok, that's it for tonight.
Game save here.
Gifted away Hsung Nu. Tried to get rid of Vladivostok, but Darius doesn't want it for some reason.
I did a turn of 50% research on Econ, and then traded Gandhi Liberalism for the rest of it. I took the 1 turn of anarchy to get into Free Market. That solved the cash flow problem to some degree. A few more cities are building Wealth too.
Made the landing on the German island and took Cologne. He brought up his forces and we took a little bit of a beating in the IBT.
I think maybe we drive for Berlin and then sue for peace. If we build Wealth everywhere, maybe we can finish Mil Sci and even upgrade some of our macemen. With our current units, it's going to be a slog.
CFC Log
Game save here.
Gifted away Hsung Nu. Tried to get rid of Vladivostok, but Darius doesn't want it for some reason.
I did a turn of 50% research on Econ, and then traded Gandhi Liberalism for the rest of it. I took the 1 turn of anarchy to get into Free Market. That solved the cash flow problem to some degree. A few more cities are building Wealth too.
Made the landing on the German island and took Cologne. He brought up his forces and we took a little bit of a beating in the IBT.
I think maybe we drive for Berlin and then sue for peace. If we build Wealth everywhere, maybe we can finish Mil Sci and even upgrade some of our macemen. With our current units, it's going to be a slog.
CFC Log
Spoiler :
There's a 3CR mace doing MP duty in Petersburg. He'd be a lot more useful at the front.
Have you solicited funds from Asoka and Darius?
Send frigate to bombard Essen. That tends to tie down units in the city and let's you know what's there.
Spy could be better positioned to see German reinforcements coming.
The pike and musket (and one other unit) in Yak can be part of a three-galleon landing party (including a mounted unit to pillage the following turn) on desert next to iron next turn.
Do you have an idea what's in Berlin?
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I probably should have razed it - as it's an island the AI won't take it unless they are down to 3 cities or less
Sounds like a good plan.
zbgayumn
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Spy was going to try sabotaging that Horse, but pillaging 1 iron makes way more sense than trying to disable both horses.
I did beg 60 gold off Asoka. Darius didn't have any cash last I saw. Do you think we could ask for more from Darius?
Will bombard Essen from the sea. Berlin's units were similar to the sign, but more Longbows. I'll focus on cease fire instead of actual peace treaty.
I think we'll have to burn several of the German cities. Thoughts on which ones?
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Obviously we have to keep Berlin (AP, Hagia Sophia) and I'd like to keep Munich as well (Gold Hill, Harbour), not fussed about any of the others.
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Concur on Munich. Looks like Dortmund and Hamburg have courthouses and useful infrastructure, so they may be good bets to keep with their large pops to whip. Frankfurt looks too good to raze. Others probably better burned.
Notice that we have a scarcity of mounted units, so suggest that the three units, including knight, in Novgorod be loaded aboard galleon this turn to be delivered to the desert by iron next turn, making it a 4-galleon landing. That will get iron pillaged one turn sooner, which could be important.
Better leave WE in Cologne for now.
In Berlin, consider repeated whipping of units into Forbidden Palace, then building the rest of it, if the courthouse there survives our assault.
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zbgayumn
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Well, it was slower than I wanted, but Berlin has fallen.
Bismarck started fielding some Frigates and our troop transports were threatened, though thankfully we only lost a couple empty galleons. Have a CF now, and it's about 8 turns to Mil Sci. Bismarck also got Physics and the Airships are a pain, but not terribly dangerous.
No back door into Japan, it's a solid wall.
Bismarck started fielding some Frigates and our troop transports were threatened, though thankfully we only lost a couple empty galleons. Have a CF now, and it's about 8 turns to Mil Sci. Bismarck also got Physics and the Airships are a pain, but not terribly dangerous.
No back door into Japan, it's a solid wall.
Are you through for the night? If so . . . Save?
